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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:01:43 GMT -8
Just pray these creators don't read the grading forums. Right or wrong, that would surely give them some kind of perspective. I hope ALL these creators read the grading forums, though I know they don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:18:23 GMT -8
How would anyone know this? There are tens of thousands of SS books that exist, if not more. How can anyone say "most" SS books end up on eBay for sale? And even if that were true...it's not, but let's make the argument...how is that ANY different from a retailer selling comic books out of a local store, if a creator is going to charge? It's about access. Not everyone can go to conventions. Going to conventions is expensive and time consuming. Getting books slabbed is VERY time consuming, and rather daunting for those not experienced. They'd still like to buy certified signed copies of books they'd like. Signing has been going on since the first creator attended the first convention, and probably before. Signing of comic books by creators is older than all of us. >>> I doubt your argument will change their perception when they open up eBay and see eleventy billion SS books for sale every day of the week. It's all about perception.That's a non-argument. What is "eleventy billion"? There are a grand total of 13...thirteen...Chip Zdarsky books under "CGC SS" for sale on eBay right now. He signed that many in a minute at C2E2. He signed probably 500 books in the time I was in line. Yes. And have. But why is that the "litmus" test for who is, and who is not, a fan? I don't want my name scribbled on my books...I want THEIR name scribbled on my books. Why does "personalization" have to be the line in the sand? Of course it's all about perception...and that perception is wrong. Good luck explaining...? Why, are creators all dolts who can't understand these things? This isn't quantum mechanics we're discussing. Because it bothers THEM. It's not a weird test to THEM. That said, what does "behaving like a non-fan" mean? To "them"...? Is it wise to be making broad strokes? It would make sense for everyone to consider other perspectives all the time. I consider the creators' perspective on a regular basis. That's why I'm cordial, respectful, and quick with creators. I treat their time as valuable, and make sure I'm completely prepared before showing up at their table, so that my transaction...for 2 books or 100...takes up very little of their time unnecessarily. That's just some of the ways I consider their perspective. Does everyone do that? No, of course not. But if you want to make the argument about considering the creator's perspective, then they should simply all charge $10,000 a signature, and then only the REAL REAL real fans will get things signed...right? It's an absurd argument, which illustrates the problem: sign, don't sign, charge, don't charge...but there's nothing noble...or CORRECT...about charging people different prices based on what YOU THINK they MIGHT do with the item afterwards. That is the perspective of some of these creators, and that perspective is wrong, and that perspective deserves addressing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 20:24:54 GMT -8
Just to be clear, I'm not taking anyone's side on this. I have friends who are serious fans that create and collect SS books. It's not my cup of tea, but I totally get why they love signatures. It just one of the many ways someone can enjoy the hobby. I'm also starting to understand the artist perspective. And since there might be a watershed moment in the works here (at least, that's the concern), I think it would make sense for others to try out this perspective as well. Perhaps a "Personalized Signature Series" for the "real fans" is in order. One of the grading companies (it doesn't matter which) could initiate this. There could be a special tier, send the book to company "X," they take it to the artist/writer/whoever along with the name of the owner of the book and any special request. The book could be signed with a personal message, doodle, etc. This could assure the creator that this book will be going to someone who is not going to just turn around and throw up on auction site "D" for sale. Perhaps two lines at the conventions: Personalized and Standard Signature. The flipper is not going to get their book personalized but the "true fan" would surely love to get their book signed with something that says "this is intended for you and only you." Me personally, I like to get my books signed on the inside near the signer's credit. This is an argument that many people make, and it is an appeal to emotion. It's a fallacy. Why? Because the creators...in a perfect world...wouldn't need to be assured that the book won't be turned around and thrown up on auction site "D" for sale. The book doesn't belong to the creator. It's not the creator's property. What does, or doesn't, happen to the book is none of the creator's concern. The creators create this butthurt THEMSELVES by being concerned with what people do with their own property. This isn't condoning lying to creators. But if a creator just realized that X% of their signatures/sketches/etc are going to show up on eBay, they wouldn't be upset when it happens...AND...it also means that the "ruining it for everyone else" would also be cut out, because the creator would have their policy worked out upfront. "Sorry, that's my policy." No butthurt. Healthy acknowledgement of the reality of humanity.
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jun 5, 2017 0:22:07 GMT -8
Just pray these creators don't read the grading forums. Right or wrong, that would surely give them some kind of perspective. I hope ALL these creators read the grading forums, though I know they don't. Good point, especially if it got things 'fixed'. But you're probably right that they don't. I'm sure their lives keep them busier than that.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jun 12, 2017 16:00:36 GMT -8
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2017 10:02:47 GMT -8
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 2, 2017 9:17:53 GMT -8
By the way...here's Liefeld's previous price sheet. link
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 7, 2017 6:40:17 GMT -8
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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Nov 13, 2017 15:52:10 GMT -8
Sigh..thank goodness I don't admire too many living authors,artists. I would LOVE a Gaiman SS Sandman though,or to get a raw signed myself...
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Mar 2, 2018 12:10:03 GMT -8
Liefeld finalizes his separation from CGC.link
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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Mar 2, 2018 15:23:55 GMT -8
I saw that down the block.I expect to hear much rumours.Prediction.I.S.B.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Mar 2, 2018 22:14:41 GMT -8
I saw that down the block.I expect to hear much rumours.Prediction.I.S.B. Yeah, it was all over the Facebook forums today.
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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Mar 3, 2018 11:24:07 GMT -8
Industrial.Strength.Butthurt.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on May 8, 2019 16:40:03 GMT -8
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Post by Stu on May 9, 2019 9:25:58 GMT -8
Thanks Erik, now we have to read days of whiny rants from the broken record known as RMA
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