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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on May 9, 2019 10:04:11 GMT -8
Thanks Erik, now we have to read days of whiny rants from the broken record known as RMA   Just for the record, RMA/Squishee and I disagree on this issue somewhat. But we're friends, and I respect his opinion and he respects mine. I love discussions about any topic, and don't view passionate responses as whining. If something is near and dear to your heart, I think it's natural to be a little more verbose than usual.  |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 9, 2019 10:35:50 GMT -8
Thanks Erik, now we have to read days of whiny rants from the broken record known as RMA Just for the record, RMA/Squishee and I disagree on this issue somewhat. But we're friends, and I respect his opinion and he respects mine. I love discussions about any topic, and don't view passionate responses as whining. If something is near and dear to your heart, I think it's natural to be a little more verbose than usual. And people who claim to dislike it will lack the strength to avoid it. Historically, the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who look forward to it the most, but just don't admit it. Win, win. I doubt any new insights will surface. |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 9, 2019 11:17:48 GMT -8
This could boost CBCS's Verified Sig subs.
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Post by Stu on May 9, 2019 11:23:32 GMT -8
Just for the record, RMA/Squishee and I disagree on this issue somewhat. But we're friends, and I respect his opinion and he respects mine. I love discussions about any topic, and don't view passionate responses as whining. If something is near and dear to your heart, I think it's natural to be a little more verbose than usual. And people who claim to dislike it will lack the strength to avoid it. Historically, the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who look forward to it the most, but just don't admit it. Win, win. I doubt any new insights will surface. No new insights to report. |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 9, 2019 11:42:16 GMT -8
And people who claim to dislike it will lack the strength to avoid it. Historically, the ones who complain the loudest are the ones who look forward to it the most, but just don't admit it. Win, win. I doubt any new insights will surface. No new insights to report. And the couldn't-be-happeier haters have arrived. Two of them, anyway. "Move on" was the best statement made.  |
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Post by Stu on May 9, 2019 13:05:02 GMT -8
No new insights to report. And the couldn't-be-happeier haters have arrived. Two of them, anyway. I thought Bird was just a mellow Deadhead |
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Post by Bats on May 9, 2019 13:55:50 GMT -8
However you look at it, charging for CGC witnessed signatures is questionable. Think about it:
Scenario 1:
This guy is a real fan. I'm going to sign his book. He's going to stick it back in it's bag and when he gets home, he'll file it away in a long box and never look at it again. I won't charge him.
This guy is not a real fan. He wants his book signed in front of a witness and encapsulated in a plastic coffin. He'll probably look at it quite often and break it out to show his friends. Hell, he'll probably even keep it until the day he dies. I'm going to charge him.
Scenario 2:
There's this company. They're making a killing from my signature. Well, I want some of that so I'm going to charge. But rather than charge the company making the money from my signature, I'm going to charge the guy paying the money to the company making a killing on my signature. If anyone questions my practise, I'll just claim that I disagree with slabbing comics.
Scenario 3:
There's this guy. He's making a killing from selling my signature on slabbed books, the capitalist bastard. Well, I'm not having that. I'm going to charge the capitalist bastard for my signature. Does that make me a capitalist too? No. Now we're all making money on my signature! That's some form of neo-communism, right? Maybe not but if I complain enough, no one will notice.
I could go on.
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 9, 2019 15:52:06 GMT -8
And the couldn't-be-happeier haters have arrived. Two of them, anyway. I thought Bird was just a mellow Deadhead He might be, otherwise. |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 9, 2019 16:01:27 GMT -8
However you look at it, charging for CGC witnessed signatures is questionable. Think about it:
Scenario 1:
This guy is a real fan. I'm going to sign his book. He's going to stick it back in it's bag and when he gets home, he'll file it away in a long box and never look at it again. I won't charge him.
This guy is not a real fan. He wants his book signed in front of a witness and encapsulated in a plastic coffin. He'll probably look at it quite often and break it out to show his friends. Hell, he'll probably even keep it until the day he dies. I'm going to charge him.
Scenario 2:
There's this company. They're making a killing from my signature. Well, I want some of that so I'm going to charge. But rather than charge the company making the money from my signature, I'm going to charge the guy paying the money to the company making a killing on my signature. If anyone questions my practise, I'll just claim that I disagree with slabbing comics.
Scenario 3:
There's this guy. He's making a killing from selling my signature on slabbed books, the capitalist bastard. Well, I'm not having that. I'm going to charge the capitalist bastard for my signature. Does that make me a capitalist too? No. Now we're all making money on my signature! That's some form of neo-communism, right? Maybe not but if I complain enough, no one will notice.
I could go on.
There are also those who would like a copy to appreciate, and one to enjoy- I have a some like this. I agree with Squishee in that there is no way for the artist/writer/inker to know what category the individual falls in, even if there are signs that suggest one way or another. They could be punishing a fan while targeting a perceived "non" fan. I'm glad I don't feel the need to slab any sigs I personally obtain. |
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Post by Bats on May 9, 2019 22:06:30 GMT -8
There are also those who would like a copy to appreciate, and one to enjoy- I have a some like this. I agree with Squishee in that there is no way for the artist/writer/inker to know what category the individual falls in, even if there are signs that suggest one way or another. They could be punishing a fan while targeting a perceived "non" fan... Exactly. There is no way to know what the individual is going to do with the books. Creators have the right to charge for their signatures and that's their choice. But charge all or charge none. Don't segregate. |
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Post by Stu on May 10, 2019 4:10:55 GMT -8
How about, if you get the book signed on the inside first page the autograph is free. If you want the signature on the cover you'll have to pay a service fee. Best of both worlds!
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Post by Bats on May 10, 2019 7:19:33 GMT -8
How about, if you get the book signed on the inside first page the autograph is free. If you want the signature on the cover you'll have to pay a service fee. Best of both worlds! It's a good idea however it's still a levy on personal choice. Personally, I think the grading companies should pay the service fee, without passing it on to the consumer, but appreciate that's somewhat idealistic and will never happen. Not unless I become president. |
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Post by Bats on May 10, 2019 7:26:04 GMT -8
Here's a novel idea... How about creators have to pay fans every time they're presented with drekky book to sign? You know, like a sort of apology.
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 10, 2019 9:08:27 GMT -8
How about, if you get the book signed on the inside first page the autograph is free. If you want the signature on the cover you'll have to pay a service fee. Best of both worlds! The potential problem there, theoretically and for an admittedly unlikely example, is Mike Royer prefers to sign on his work only. There are a few books in my collection that only the cover had Mike's work on it, and it seemed kinda odd for him to sign the inside. |
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Post by Stu on May 10, 2019 10:42:25 GMT -8
How about, if you get the book signed on the inside first page the autograph is free. If you want the signature on the cover you'll have to pay a service fee. Best of both worlds! The potential problem there, theoretically and for an admittedly unlikely example, is Mike Royer prefers to sign on his work only. There are a few books in my collection that only the cover had Mike's work on it, and it seemed kinda odd for him to sign the inside. Good point. Has Artgerm ever done interior pencils? He would only sign covers I bet. |
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