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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 10:54:10 GMT -8
Just curious. How much teenage masturbation is acceptable? A little, none? That's a very odd thing to be interested in!  It's a pretty odd thing you think parents and / or teachers should be preaching to children / young adults. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 11:30:51 GMT -8
That's a very odd thing to be interested in! It's a pretty odd thing you think parents and / or teachers should be preaching to children / young adults. I'm not trying to quantify it though. How much lust is "acceptable"? |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 11:32:17 GMT -8
No, I haven't forgot. But entire generations of "adults" have forgotten, or worse yet abandoned, the truth that they still need to teach children and adolescents higher values than the kids can easily achieve as teenagers, to teach them to strive and struggle for control of their sexual urges rather than to just surrender to them and give in to the first cute smile and tight sweater they see - otherwise they stagnate in a stunted development of adolescent-minded sexual-mentality and never mature into responsible men and women, but rather stay as adolescent-minds walking around inside grown men and women's bodies - which is where most generations are stuck now. The fatalistic notion that "some kids will always rebel so why try teaching them" and the accompanying surrender of the adults in the society to instilling dignity, respect and self-control in kids (however futile it may initially appear) is part of the reason for the social and sexual carnage that has ensued and is now glaringly apparent from the "sexual revolution" of the Boomers...
I'm not saying, "don't teach them". I'm saying, "don't teach them only abstinence", because we know that lesson will never work.
I get ya' now. Ok, thanks. ETA: I disagree with your " never work", though it's not worth quibbling over here I suppose. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 11:39:24 GMT -8
It's a pretty odd thing you think parents and / or teachers should be preaching to children / young adults. I'm not trying to quantify it though. How much lust is "acceptable"? I don't think it's appropriate for a public school teacher to preach abstinence or "self control" aka sex and masturbation are "bad". If you want to preach that to your children, have at it. Can we just cut to the chase here? You're a religious fellow and you feel your way is best, there is nothing wrong with that. I live in the USA where we have freedom to choose and there should be nothing wrong with that. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 11:45:45 GMT -8
I'm not trying to quantify it though. How much lust is "acceptable"? aka sex and masturbation are "bad". If you want to preach that to your children, have at it. Can we just cut to the chase here? You're a religious fellow and you feel your way is best, there is nothing wrong with that. I live in the USA where we have freedom to choose and there should be nothing wrong with that. We're seeing the (rotting) fruit of the "don't say wait" sexual-liberation/revolution ideology in schools and culture since the 60's & 70's. It's not helping kids become mature responsible adults. It's doing the opposite. Again, How much lust is "acceptable"? |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 11:58:54 GMT -8
I don't think it's appropriate for a public school teacher to preach abstinence or "self control" aka sex and masturbation are "bad". If you want to preach that to your children, have at it. Can we just cut to the chase here? You're a religious fellow and you feel your way is best, there is nothing wrong with that. I live in the USA where we have freedom to choose and there should be nothing wrong with that. We're seeing the (rotting) fruit of the "don't say wait" sexual-liberation/revolution ideology in schools and culture since the 60's & 70's. It's not helping kids become mature responsible adults. It's doing the opposite. Again, How much lust is "acceptable"? OK, you're preaching abstinence before marriage and that's fine for you and yours. You think the country is going to hell in a handbasket and has been since the 1960's. I disagree...so where do we go from here without impinging on our freedoms? |
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Post by kav on Mar 8, 2023 12:09:05 GMT -8
I think that you forgot what it was like to be a teenager. Hormones, anti-authority, etc. There will never be abstinence en masse because we're biologically designed to act in the ways that we tend to at those ages.
No, I haven't forgot. But entire generations of "adults" have forgotten, or worse yet abandoned, the truth that they still need to teach children and adolescents higher values than the kids can easily achieve as teenagers, to teach them to strive and struggle for control of their sexual urges rather than to just surrender to them and give in to the first cute smile and tight sweater they see - otherwise they stagnate in a stunted development of adolescent-minded sexual-mentality and never mature into responsible men and women, but rather stay as adolescent-minds walking around inside grown men and women's bodies - which is where most generations are stuck now. The fatalistic notion that "some kids will always rebel so why try teaching them" and the accompanying surrender of the adults in the society to instilling dignity, respect and self-control in kids (however futile it may initially appear) is part of the reason for the social and sexual carnage that has ensued and is now glaringly apparent from the "sexual revolution" of the Boomers. On the upside, I think a growing fraction of the current generation of kids is starting to understand and see the utter failure that was the "sexual revolution", and can see the destruction of lives, even among their peers, that sexual-promiscuity, sexual-obsessions and addictions has on those who still fall for the failure called "sexual liberation". There IS a growing segment of kids today who are becoming more "morally-conservative" {cue the howls of horror from the religiophobes} regarding sexuality, who are today's "counter-cultural" kids rebelling against the sexually-permissive culture built by the older generations that grew up in the 60s to 80s. This, of course, is the counter-balance to the even more extreme sexual-obsessed kids today who are still falling for the "guys can menstruate", "if it feels good do it" and "sex-positivity" nonsense that is ubiquitous in the mainstream culture. I'm not even getting into teaching teens abstinence and what not. What should not happen-ever-is teaching them specifics about types of sex. gay trans missionary position etc-NO. Classic sex ed is just reproduction period. They dont go into gay straight trans bi Queer how to make out how to use dildoes etc etc etc. NO. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 12:15:14 GMT -8
We're seeing the (rotting) fruit of the "don't say wait" sexual-liberation/revolution ideology in schools and culture since the 60's & 70's. It's not helping kids become mature responsible adults. It's doing the opposite. Again, How much lust is "acceptable"? OK, you're preaching abstinence before marriage and that's fine for you and yours. You think the country is going to hell in a handbasket and has been since the 1960's. I disagree...so where do we go from here without impinging on our freedoms? Are you actually disagreeing that teenage pregnancies, STDs, single-mother/fatherless families, sexual-addictions and disorders have NOT increased since the "sexual revolution"? Or do you think those are "non-issues"? Or maybe you think this is the BEST we can hope for and that if the "sexual-liberation/revolution" and hypersexualization of our culture and kids had NOT happened, teen pregnancies, STDs, fatherless families and sexual-addictions/disorders would have been WORSE without the "sexual revolution" occuring? How much lust is acceptable? |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 12:16:24 GMT -8
No, I haven't forgot. But entire generations of "adults" have forgotten, or worse yet abandoned, the truth that they still need to teach children and adolescents higher values than the kids can easily achieve as teenagers, to teach them to strive and struggle for control of their sexual urges rather than to just surrender to them and give in to the first cute smile and tight sweater they see - otherwise they stagnate in a stunted development of adolescent-minded sexual-mentality and never mature into responsible men and women, but rather stay as adolescent-minds walking around inside grown men and women's bodies - which is where most generations are stuck now. The fatalistic notion that "some kids will always rebel so why try teaching them" and the accompanying surrender of the adults in the society to instilling dignity, respect and self-control in kids (however futile it may initially appear) is part of the reason for the social and sexual carnage that has ensued and is now glaringly apparent from the "sexual revolution" of the Boomers. On the upside, I think a growing fraction of the current generation of kids is starting to understand and see the utter failure that was the "sexual revolution", and can see the destruction of lives, even among their peers, that sexual-promiscuity, sexual-obsessions and addictions has on those who still fall for the failure called "sexual liberation". There IS a growing segment of kids today who are becoming more "morally-conservative" {cue the howls of horror from the religiophobes} regarding sexuality, who are today's "counter-cultural" kids rebelling against the sexually-permissive culture built by the older generations that grew up in the 60s to 80s. This, of course, is the counter-balance to the even more extreme sexual-obsessed kids today who are still falling for the "guys can menstruate", "if it feels good do it" and "sex-positivity" nonsense that is ubiquitous in the mainstream culture. I'm not even getting into teaching teens abstinence and what not. What should not happen-ever-is teaching them specifics about types of sex. gay trans missionary position etc-NO. Classic sex ed is just reproduction period. They dont go into gay straight trans bi Queer how to make out how to use dildoes etc etc etc. NO. Agree! |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 12:44:54 GMT -8
OK, you're preaching abstinence before marriage and that's fine for you and yours. You think the country is going to hell in a handbasket and has been since the 1960's. I disagree...so where do we go from here without impinging on our freedoms? Are you actually disagreeing that teenage pregnancies, STDs, single-mother/fatherless families, sexual-addictions and disorders have NOT increased since the "sexual revolution"? Or do you think those are "non-issues"? Or maybe you think this is the BEST we can hope for and that if the "sexual-liberation/revolution" and hypersexualization of our culture and kids had NOT happened, teen pregnancies, STDs, fatherless families and sexual-addictions/disorders would have been WORSE without the "sexual revolution" occuring? How much lust is acceptable? Teenage birthrates have dropped since 1991: www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/I don't see it as the apocalyptic situation you frame it to be, but lets say I did, what you propose be done about it? |
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Post by kav on Mar 8, 2023 12:50:16 GMT -8
Are you actually disagreeing that teenage pregnancies, STDs, single-mother/fatherless families, sexual-addictions and disorders have NOT increased since the "sexual revolution"? Or do you think those are "non-issues"? Or maybe you think this is the BEST we can hope for and that if the "sexual-liberation/revolution" and hypersexualization of our culture and kids had NOT happened, teen pregnancies, STDs, fatherless families and sexual-addictions/disorders would have been WORSE without the "sexual revolution" occuring? How much lust is acceptable? Teenage birthrates have dropped since 1991: www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/I don't see it as the apocalyptic situation you frame it to be, but lets say I did, what you propose be done about it? true but deceptive-in the past it was normal to get married as a teen and have children. what we see today is not that. Also you have to factor birth rate with number of births:   www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr49/nvsr49_10.pdf |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 13:00:32 GMT -8
Fair enough, but were teenagers regularly getting married in 1991? I just don't think it's as bleak as JC makes it out to be and I also don't think we're going to be able to un ring that bell...at least not without a lot of draconian measures. |
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Post by kav on Mar 8, 2023 13:03:21 GMT -8
The decline of our society began around 1990 as far as I can determine.
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Post by jcjames on Mar 8, 2023 13:06:43 GMT -8
Are you actually disagreeing that teenage pregnancies, STDs, single-mother/fatherless families, sexual-addictions and disorders have NOT increased since the "sexual revolution"? Or do you think those are "non-issues"? Or maybe you think this is the BEST we can hope for and that if the "sexual-liberation/revolution" and hypersexualization of our culture and kids had NOT happened, teen pregnancies, STDs, fatherless families and sexual-addictions/disorders would have been WORSE without the "sexual revolution" occuring? How much lust is acceptable? Teenage birthrates have dropped since 1991: www.statista.com/statistics/259518/birth-rate-among-us-teenagers/I don't see it as the apocalyptic situation you frame it to be, but lets say I did, what you propose be done about it? Teen-abstinence is also increasing since 1991, DESPITE the continued cultural promotion of sexual activity, the mocking of chastity and the dismissal of teaching abstinence in public schools.  As I said earlier: On the upside, I think a growing fraction of the current generation of kids is starting to understand and see the utter failure that was the "sexual revolution", and can see the destruction of lives, even among their peers, that sexual-promiscuity, sexual-obsessions and addictions has on those who still fall for the failure called "sexual liberation".
There IS a growing segment of kids today who are becoming more "morally-conservative" {cue the howls of horror from the religiophobes} regarding sexuality, who are today's "counter-cultural" kids rebelling against the sexually-permissive culture built by the older generations that grew up in the 60s to 80s.How much lust is "acceptable"? |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 8, 2023 13:16:47 GMT -8
The decline of our society began around 1990 as far as I can determine. Hey, at least you mark it 30 years after JC does  |
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