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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 7, 2023 7:12:28 GMT -8
My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. What was preachy? What do you object to? Dignity, respect, self-control? These are basic moral values that all humans should teach others. Do you think kids need to hear more, or less, of those values in school, at home and in our culture. I learned dignity, respect and self control when my mother put me in my first martial arts school at the age of 9. When you say dignity, respect and self control do you mean it in the greater context or specifically being taught in sex education class at school? Those are two different things and I would have different answers. |
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Post by parker1865 on Mar 7, 2023 7:32:47 GMT -8
My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. No, you're only a fan of preaching and morality when it comes to your own personal politics.  Parents are SUPPOSED to teach kids about sex. It's their JOB to do so. But you are ever so slightly moving the goal posts (as most disingenuous people do) and shifting the discussion. We're not talking about learning the mechanics of sex. That's normal. We're talking about influencing kids during a transformative part of their lives, where they are role playing and they themselves are UNSURE of who they are and influencing them by planting ideas. It's like whispering into a kids ear that they are funny looking when they already feel insecure about themselves. Do you think they'll ever forget that one whisper? It will haunt them forver. They don't need sex / gender talk. They need to be protected from it and allowed to be kids I learned everything I needed to know in the Military. This is my rifle, this is my gun...blahblahblah... Oh, I also learned in the Military protect the children, the women and the Elderly, at all costs. So there is that. Did I do good, Mom? |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 8:30:02 GMT -8
You mentioned self-control. They hate having to control their impulses.
Self control....like masturbating? Like pre marital sex? You know, all the things that followers of fairy tales don't want other people to do? So, you're in favor of children masturbating and engaging in pre-marital sex???  Interesting. |
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Mar 7, 2023 8:34:14 GMT -8
Self control....like masturbating? Like pre marital sex? You know, all the things that followers of fairy tales don't want other people to do? So, you're in favor of children masturbating and engaging in pre-marital sex??? Interesting.
They're gonna do it either way, at least Sex Ed teaches them how to approach it safely, and detect if they've contracted an STD along with how it must be dealt with. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 9:00:54 GMT -8
What was preachy? What do you object to? Dignity, respect, self-control? These are basic moral values that all humans should teach others. Do you think kids need to hear more, or less, of those values in school, at home and in our culture. I learned dignity, respect and self control when my mother put me in my first martial arts school at the age of 9. When you say dignity, respect and self control do you mean it in the greater context or specifically being taught in sex education class at school? Those are two different things and I would have different answers. Today, many school boards and teachers insist on teaching children about intimate private things (often extremely inappropriate things) regarding sexuality in secret to kids, telling kids to hide it from their parents, openly opposing the parents' values. That's poison to a kid's mind. Having parents try to teach their own kids "ABC" while the school teachers, counselors, administrators and culture teach the kids "ABC XYZ" about their own sexuality creates psychological tension in impressionable 10 year-olds many of whom end up being confused, conflicted and subjected to peer pressure from almost everywhere outside their parent's radius. Sure, in some cases a mom or dad can psychologically damage their kids if they have extreme or abusive views - but that would mainly only affect their own kids. However, school boards, teachers, counselors and administrators have the ability to psychologically damage hundreds to thousands of kids at a time with equally extreme or abusive views as well. And we're seeing this in growing numbers now. And it's evil. I thought I was pretty clear that in the context of sexuality, it is most healthy to teach kids (boys in this case) WHY they need to learn to control their sexual urges. WHY it's wrong to objectify women for their own sexual gratification. And WHY boys should treat their bodies with dignity, and that if one does not learn this, one who cannot or will not learn to treat their own bodies with dignity, will never learn how to treat other's bodies with dignity either. I would hope grown adults have learned that the way a person thinks about sexuality (or any other important value) when they are 16 years old is NOT the mature way grown ups should think about sexuality. Letting a teenager "figure out" values regarding sexuality on their own will likely doom that person to being locked into a lifelong mental habit of seeking immediate sexual gratification, the sexual objectification of others, and the addictive obsession with sex that now afflicts our hyper-sexualized culture that was left on its own only to follow its own feelings about sexuality long before they were even mature enough to know WHY morality is more important than gratification. And our culture, schools and families are all tasked at differing levels to ensure kids grow to become mature-minded, not stunted for lack of, or contradictory, values-education. This dovetails with another post (don't remember what thread it was in) about how the Baby Boom generation of adolescents overwhelmed themselves and the culture in the 60s and 70s with adolescent-minded views about sexuality, and lack of self-control - giving way to the sexual-revolution and the drug-revolution. The cultural values regressed, became immature and were guided by immature adolescent-mindedness. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 9:11:14 GMT -8
So, you're in favor of children masturbating and engaging in pre-marital sex??? Interesting.
They're gonna do it either way, at least Sex Ed teaches them how to approach it safely, and detect if they've contracted an STD along with how it must be dealt with. Fatalism. That's like saying, guys are gonna cheat on their girlfriends either way, so let's teach them how to do it in a way least likely to getting caught. And I'm not against STD education - that's an important part of health/sex education. BUT... there are ways to reduce STDs, unwanted pregnancies and lack of self-control. But, that doesn't encourage kids (outwardly or subtly) to become sexually-active. This culture is just so hypersexualized and so obsessed with sexual-imagery, sexual-promiscuity and sexual-gratification - FAR more than any generations were before the Baby Boomers (Well unless you go back to Roman orgies). Seems like just talking about self-control, dignity of the body and respect for others' bodies is like kicking a beehive of opposition to such things. If the world is against truth, then I am against the world. |
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Mar 7, 2023 9:17:37 GMT -8
They're gonna do it either way, at least Sex Ed teaches them how to approach it safely, and detect if they've contracted an STD along with how it must be dealt with. Fatalism. That's like saying, guys are gonna cheat on their girlfriends either way, so let's teach them how to do it in a way least likely to getting caught. And I'm not against STD education - that's an important part of health/sex education. BUT... there are ways to reduce STDs, unwanted pregnancies and lack of self-control. But, that doesn't encourage kids (outwardly or subtly) to become sexually-active. This culture is just so hypersexualized and so obsessed with sexual-imagery, sexual-promiscuity and sexual-gratification - FAR more than any generations were before the Baby Boomers (Well unless you go back to Roman orgies). Seems like just talking about self-control, dignity of the body and respect for others' bodies is like kicking a beehive of opposition to such things. If the world is against truth, then I am against the world.
Reproductive desires are fatalist, yes, and there's nothing wrong with that... Because we must reproduce to survive as a species.
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 7, 2023 9:42:30 GMT -8
Self control....like masturbating? Like pre marital sex? You know, all the things that followers of fairy tales don't want other people to do? So, you're in favor of children masturbating and engaging in pre-marital sex??? Interesting. Do you REALLY believe I'm advocating that? Actual children? C'mon now. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 7, 2023 9:47:47 GMT -8
They're gonna do it either way, at least Sex Ed teaches them how to approach it safely, and detect if they've contracted an STD along with how it must be dealt with. Fatalism. That's like saying, guys are gonna cheat on their girlfriends either way, so let's teach them how to do it in a way least likely to getting caught. And I'm not against STD education - that's an important part of health/sex education. BUT... there are ways to reduce STDs, unwanted pregnancies and lack of self-control. But, that doesn't encourage kids (outwardly or subtly) to become sexually-active. This culture is just so hypersexualized and so obsessed with sexual-imagery, sexual-promiscuity and sexual-gratification - FAR more than any generations were before the Baby Boomers (Well unless you go back to Roman orgies). Seems like just talking about self-control, dignity of the body and respect for others' bodies is like kicking a beehive of opposition to such things. If the world is against truth, then I am against the world. I'm pretty sure there are no teachers teaching children to go out and act like rutting pigs. Information is important and giving that information in the hope that they will listen to it is more important than trying to push a religious narrative that they're somehow "bad" if they don't wait until marriage or GOD FORBID they're one of them "degenerates" aka homosexuals. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 14:32:36 GMT -8
Fatalism. That's like saying, guys are gonna cheat on their girlfriends either way, so let's teach them how to do it in a way least likely to getting caught. And I'm not against STD education - that's an important part of health/sex education. BUT... there are ways to reduce STDs, unwanted pregnancies and lack of self-control. But, that doesn't encourage kids (outwardly or subtly) to become sexually-active. This culture is just so hypersexualized and so obsessed with sexual-imagery, sexual-promiscuity and sexual-gratification - FAR more than any generations were before the Baby Boomers (Well unless you go back to Roman orgies). Seems like just talking about self-control, dignity of the body and respect for others' bodies is like kicking a beehive of opposition to such things. If the world is against truth, then I am against the world.
Reproductive desires are fatalist, yes, and there's nothing wrong with that... Because we must reproduce to survive as a species.
I agree, but I was referring more to teenagers learning to control themselves rather than adults doing what sex is primarily intended for. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 14:36:06 GMT -8
So, you're in favor of children masturbating and engaging in pre-marital sex??? Interesting. Do you REALLY believe I'm advocating that? Actual children? C'mon now. Then why the condescending and veiled insult that "followers of fairy tales" don't want them to do that? Especially now that it seems that you are one of those people who don't want them to as well. ETA: I mean, my post WAS in response to your question about sex-ed for 10 year olds in school, and was directed at what I thought should be taught to 10 year olds in school as part of sex-ed in school. And you found what I said objectionable and I asked what parts. You responded, I clarified, and then you condescended, and now apparently are backtracking. |
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Post by kav on Mar 7, 2023 14:41:47 GMT -8
ZING!
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Post by jcjames on Mar 7, 2023 14:42:43 GMT -8
Fatalism. That's like saying, guys are gonna cheat on their girlfriends either way, so let's teach them how to do it in a way least likely to getting caught. And I'm not against STD education - that's an important part of health/sex education. BUT... there are ways to reduce STDs, unwanted pregnancies and lack of self-control. But, that doesn't encourage kids (outwardly or subtly) to become sexually-active. This culture is just so hypersexualized and so obsessed with sexual-imagery, sexual-promiscuity and sexual-gratification - FAR more than any generations were before the Baby Boomers (Well unless you go back to Roman orgies). Seems like just talking about self-control, dignity of the body and respect for others' bodies is like kicking a beehive of opposition to such things. If the world is against truth, then I am against the world. I'm pretty sure there are no teachers teaching children to go out and act like rutting pigs. Information is important and giving that information in the hope that they will listen to it is more important than trying to push a religious narrative that they're somehow "bad" if they don't wait until marriage or GOD FORBID they're one of them "degenerates" aka homosexuals. What "religious narrative" was I trying to push? Did I mention any particular God, or religious book or religion?? Or are you implying that dignity, respect and self-control are now "religious narratives" that should NOT be taught to kids in school??? Really, make up your mind!  |
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Post by kav on Mar 7, 2023 14:50:59 GMT -8
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Post by kav on Mar 7, 2023 14:52:21 GMT -8
Rutting like pigs a straw man-thats not what we are talking about here. We are talking about an LGBT agenda to brainwash children. Books in the library depicting gay sex is just part of this.
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Interesting. 
