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Post by kav on Mar 6, 2023 14:05:41 GMT -8
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 6, 2023 14:29:47 GMT -8
Simple solution, just leave it all in the hands of the parents? This is just off the top of my head - what I remember and what I was taught too.... Boys and girls separated for 5th grade sex-ed: Boys: not so crudely stated as this but... 1. Boys, your body is not yours to do or treat any way you feel like. You have a dignity far beyond what you can imagine at 10 years old. You didn't create your body - it was given to you as a gift. Treat it as a gift. But your body will start to mature into men, and it will take years. You're gonna start growing pubic hair, getting erections, having emotions that are hard to control and are even sometimes confusing (maybe very confusing). Maybe even wet dreams (you'll know it when you have it). All of that is 100% normal. 2. Now's the time to start learning to control your sexual urges like you started to learn to control your anger when you were a toddler. This is the time in your life when you will begin to teach your body to obey your mind, not your mind to obey your body. You will save yourself a LIFETIME of misery if you start learning this now. Your body has a purpose above and beyond "feeling good" right now. As you get into middle school and high school, there will be more mature expectations made of you. Your body matures MUCH faster than your brain... so remember that. Don't let your body do your thinking. 3. You're growing to become a mature man, but masculinity is not all-or-nothing (and neither is femininity). Masculinity is not being "tough", it's about being responsible, competent, confident, respectful and competitive. None of those traits are exclusive to men, nor are they all found in equal measures in all men. Femininity is not about being "girly", it's being nurturing, caring, empathetic, sensitive and stable. Every guy and girl is a mix of all those traits. 3. Girls are not there for you to oogle at or treat like a sex-object for you to play with (see #2). Every girl is some father's daughter and he will beat your ass if you mess with her. Girls are in their own class right now, and are learning how to become women. You're not a "dawg" and she's not your "b*tch". Scummy losers think and talk like that. Respect is the greatest gift you can give a girl. 4. Sexual intercourse is how babies are made. There's a basic pamphlet/book about where babies come from available. If you want to have babies and are grown up, that's up to you. If you don't, (again, see #2). Some people think birth-control, like condoms or the pill are okay, others don't. Each have their reasons. Your parents were sent a message and are expecting you to go home today and ask them about your family values regarding birth-control. Don't be afraid to ask - they've been told you will go and ask them. It's an important issue. 5. You're starting to learn about being a grown up, even though you're still 10 years old. This is a journey and we're not going to throw everything about sex at you all at once because it takes years to learn. You will question a lot of things. But don't obsess. Life is a long long journey. You're not supposed to have all the answers (or even hardly any answers) at this time. Wait until after high school, and in the mean time, learn to control your body - or it will control you your whole life. 6. Enjoy being 10 - when you become mature after high school, then you'll be that for your whole life. But you'll only be like you are now for a short time more. Enjoy the freedom you have. Girls... similar but with different female development topics (breasts, periods, emotions, etc) Have at it. I'm going to take a wild guess that you didn't attend public schools? What I can remember off the top of my head is that we were taught the basic mechanics of how reproduction and the reproductive system works. Pretty dry stuff with no morality or judgement baked in. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 6, 2023 14:48:01 GMT -8
This is just off the top of my head - what I remember and what I was taught too.... Boys and girls separated for 5th grade sex-ed: Boys: not so crudely stated as this but... 1. Boys, your body is not yours to do or treat any way you feel like. You have a dignity far beyond what you can imagine at 10 years old. You didn't create your body - it was given to you as a gift. Treat it as a gift. But your body will start to mature into men, and it will take years. You're gonna start growing pubic hair, getting erections, having emotions that are hard to control and are even sometimes confusing (maybe very confusing). Maybe even wet dreams (you'll know it when you have it). All of that is 100% normal. 2. Now's the time to start learning to control your sexual urges like you started to learn to control your anger when you were a toddler. This is the time in your life when you will begin to teach your body to obey your mind, not your mind to obey your body. You will save yourself a LIFETIME of misery if you start learning this now. Your body has a purpose above and beyond "feeling good" right now. As you get into middle school and high school, there will be more mature expectations made of you. Your body matures MUCH faster than your brain... so remember that. Don't let your body do your thinking. 3. You're growing to become a mature man, but masculinity is not all-or-nothing (and neither is femininity). Masculinity is not being "tough", it's about being responsible, competent, confident, respectful and competitive. None of those traits are exclusive to men, nor are they all found in equal measures in all men. Femininity is not about being "girly", it's being nurturing, caring, empathetic, sensitive and stable. Every guy and girl is a mix of all those traits. 3. Girls are not there for you to oogle at or treat like a sex-object for you to play with (see #2). Every girl is some father's daughter and he will beat your ass if you mess with her. Girls are in their own class right now, and are learning how to become women. You're not a "dawg" and she's not your "b*tch". Scummy losers think and talk like that. Respect is the greatest gift you can give a girl. 4. Sexual intercourse is how babies are made. There's a basic pamphlet/book about where babies come from available. If you want to have babies and are grown up, that's up to you. If you don't, (again, see #2). Some people think birth-control, like condoms or the pill are okay, others don't. Each have their reasons. Your parents were sent a message and are expecting you to go home today and ask them about your family values regarding birth-control. Don't be afraid to ask - they've been told you will go and ask them. It's an important issue. 5. You're starting to learn about being a grown up, even though you're still 10 years old. This is a journey and we're not going to throw everything about sex at you all at once because it takes years to learn. You will question a lot of things. But don't obsess. Life is a long long journey. You're not supposed to have all the answers (or even hardly any answers) at this time. Wait until after high school, and in the mean time, learn to control your body - or it will control you your whole life. 6. Enjoy being 10 - when you become mature after high school, then you'll be that for your whole life. But you'll only be like you are now for a short time more. Enjoy the freedom you have. Girls... similar but with different female development topics (breasts, periods, emotions, etc) Have at it. I'm going to take a wild guess that you didn't attend public schools? What I can remember off the top of my head is that we were taught the basic mechanics of how reproduction and the reproductive system works. Pretty dry stuff with no morality or judgement baked in. Yes I did attend public school. As I said, what I remember was the mechanics with no even the most basic human values.Bad. I added more of what I, as a mature man, think would be appropriate messages for kids to hear throughout school starting in 5/6th grade throughout high school - dignity, respect, self-control, etc. Is there anything I mentioned you would object to? Also, I forgot info on STDs, though that was also glossed over too IIRC. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 6, 2023 15:00:04 GMT -8
I'm going to take a wild guess that you didn't attend public schools? What I can remember off the top of my head is that we were taught the basic mechanics of how reproduction and the reproductive system works. Pretty dry stuff with no morality or judgement baked in. Yes I did attend public school. As I said, what I remember was the mechanics with no even the most basic human values.Bad. I added more of what I, as a mature man, think would be appropriate messages for kids to hear throughout school starting in 5/6th grade throughout high school - dignity, respect, self-control, etc. Is there anything I mentioned you would object to? Also, I forgot info on STDs, though that was also glossed over too IIRC. My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. |
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Post by kav on Mar 6, 2023 15:00:52 GMT -8
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Post by jcjames on Mar 6, 2023 15:30:51 GMT -8
Yes I did attend public school. As I said, what I remember was the mechanics with no even the most basic human values.Bad. I added more of what I, as a mature man, think would be appropriate messages for kids to hear throughout school starting in 5/6th grade throughout high school - dignity, respect, self-control, etc. Is there anything I mentioned you would object to? Also, I forgot info on STDs, though that was also glossed over too IIRC. My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. What was preachy? What do you object to? Dignity, respect, self-control? These are basic moral values that all humans should teach others. Do you think kids need to hear more, or less, of those values in school, at home and in our culture. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 6, 2023 15:54:57 GMT -8
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Post by jcjames on Mar 6, 2023 15:57:46 GMT -8
Hey buddy, these are respectable news organizations! They know of what they talk!  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 6, 2023 15:59:13 GMT -8
Yes I did attend public school. As I said, what I remember was the mechanics with no even the most basic human values.Bad. I added more of what I, as a mature man, think would be appropriate messages for kids to hear throughout school starting in 5/6th grade throughout high school - dignity, respect, self-control, etc. Is there anything I mentioned you would object to? Also, I forgot info on STDs, though that was also glossed over too IIRC. My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. No, you're only a fan of preaching and morality when it comes to your own personal politics.  Parents are SUPPOSED to teach kids about sex. It's their JOB to do so. But you are ever so slightly moving the goal posts (as most disingenuous people do) and shifting the discussion. We're not talking about learning the mechanics of sex. That's normal. We're talking about influencing kids during a transformative part of their lives, where they are role playing and they themselves are UNSURE of who they are and influencing them by planting ideas. It's like whispering into a kids ear that they are funny looking when they already feel insecure about themselves. Do you think they'll ever forget that one whisper? It will haunt them forver. They don't need sex / gender talk. They need to be protected from it and allowed to be kids |
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 6, 2023 16:00:24 GMT -8
Hey buddy, these are respectable news organizations! They know of what they talk! But....but...but...they won a Pulitzer Prize. Signed, namisgr. |
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Post by kav on Mar 6, 2023 16:05:06 GMT -8
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Post by jcjames on Mar 6, 2023 17:34:41 GMT -8
My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. No, you're only a fan of preaching and morality when it comes to your own personal politics. Parents are SUPPOSED to teach kids about sex. It's their JOB to do so. But you are ever so slightly moving the goal posts (as most disingenuous people do) and shifting the discussion. We're not talking about learning the mechanics of sex. That's normal. We're talking about influencing kids during a transformative part of their lives, where they are role playing and they themselves are UNSURE of who they are and influencing them by planting ideas. It's like whispering into a kids ear that they are funny looking when they already feel insecure about themselves. Do you think they'll ever forget that one whisper? It will haunt them forver. They don't need sex / gender talk. They need to be protected from it and allowed to be kidsStill curious about what messages I posted that someone would object to, or think is an inappropriate message for 10 year-olds to hear in school? Maybe if someone would red-line what I said that they think kids should not be exposed to in school, and explain why it would be inappropriate for them to hear that.   |
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Mar 7, 2023 4:08:49 GMT -8
No, you're only a fan of preaching and morality when it comes to your own personal politics. Parents are SUPPOSED to teach kids about sex. It's their JOB to do so. But you are ever so slightly moving the goal posts (as most disingenuous people do) and shifting the discussion. We're not talking about learning the mechanics of sex. That's normal. We're talking about influencing kids during a transformative part of their lives, where they are role playing and they themselves are UNSURE of who they are and influencing them by planting ideas. It's like whispering into a kids ear that they are funny looking when they already feel insecure about themselves. Do you think they'll ever forget that one whisper? It will haunt them forver. They don't need sex / gender talk. They need to be protected from it and allowed to be kidsStill curious about what messages I posted that someone would object to, or think is an inappropriate message for 10 year-olds to hear in school? Maybe if someone would red-line what I said that they think kids should not be exposed to in school, and explain why it would be inappropriate for them to hear that.
You mentioned self-control. They hate having to control their impulses.
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 7, 2023 7:07:26 GMT -8
My bad, I didn't realize you added your own extra stuff, I thought the teachers were preaching to you. All I learned at school was the mechanical part of reproduction. My mother taught me about sex at 5 when I asked and had a non graphic children's book already as I had an older brother so she'd been through that already. Not a fan of preaching or morality with teaching sex ed. No, you're only a fan of preaching and morality when it comes to your own personal politics. Parents are SUPPOSED to teach kids about sex. It's their JOB to do so. But you are ever so slightly moving the goal posts (as most disingenuous people do) and shifting the discussion. We're not talking about learning the mechanics of sex. That's normal. We're talking about influencing kids during a transformative part of their lives, where they are role playing and they themselves are UNSURE of who they are and influencing them by planting ideas. It's like whispering into a kids ear that they are funny looking when they already feel insecure about themselves. Do you think they'll ever forget that one whisper? It will haunt them forver. They don't need sex / gender talk. They need to be protected from it and allowed to be kids Do you really think there are teachers out there "planting ideas" ( essentially grooming ) of homosexuality or transgender ideas to their 10-11 year old students? You raised the bar again champ! |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 7, 2023 7:09:24 GMT -8
Still curious about what messages I posted that someone would object to, or think is an inappropriate message for 10 year-olds to hear in school? Maybe if someone would red-line what I said that they think kids should not be exposed to in school, and explain why it would be inappropriate for them to hear that.
You mentioned self-control. They hate having to control their impulses.
Self control....like masturbating? Like pre marital sex? You know, all the things that followers of fairy tales don't want other people to do? |
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