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Post by Jeffro on Nov 14, 2016 6:25:10 GMT -8
if future election was determined by popular vote (no electoral college) wouldn't that increase voting as well? I'm not sure what the benefits are in having the electoral college Yeah, the electoral college discourages voting with the "winner take all" mode. It also discourages voting in non-battleground/swing states. That's why saying, for example, "Hey, Hillary would have won the election because she had the most popular votes" is meaningless. If the electoral college were abolished and every vote counted, it would be a whole new ballgame. I've read up on the electoral college, and in the present day there doesn't seem to be any benefits whatsoever. Unfortunately, it would be almost impossible to get rid of because it's the way we have always done it, and it has a certain momentum (similar to the whole Daylight Saving thing). I can tell you in my state, CT, it doesn't really matter how I vote. The popular vote went fully in favor of Shrillary and she got those electoral votes. It's been the same way in the last six elections. You have to go back to the 80s to find CT voting Republican. |
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Post by Jeffro on Nov 14, 2016 6:26:10 GMT -8
So reports say Trump got 1/3 of the Hispanic vote and 1/4 of the African-American vote Not sure how critical those votes would have been in the states she lost, but democrats have a huge problem on their hand. We all have a huge problem on our hands |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 14, 2016 9:10:59 GMT -8
Fareed Zakaria
I'm surprised this guy still has a job, let alone retaining his position as one of the foremost personalities on CNN and host of the show GPS. He's a hack journalist spewing out his own political and racist views of America. Like most others in his profession, he was 100% wrong about the election and refuses to acknowledge it. If he had actually done his job as a journalist/reporter, he would have seen the risk of making predictions about the certainty of Hillary's presidency and the collapse of the Republican Party. News outlets used to report facts, rather than opinion. Increasingly, they seem only to be places where people go to reinforce their own preconceptions.
His latest diatribes are purely racist and are a complete embarrassment to anyone with an ounce of gray matter. I don't think we should tolerate that, whether it comes from the Left or the Right. I get that he's upset with the election results and frustrated with his own lack of skills and intelligence; but to demonize one color or culture and paint them all as evil is idiotic and wrong, and just highlights his failed credentials. CNN used to be better than this. Guys with resumes like Fahreed are a dime a dozen, and most can be found on Facebook where they belong. I expect excellence in journalism...or at the very least...adequacy.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Nov 14, 2016 10:03:24 GMT -8
Being Canadian, I am really interested what a full Republican deck is going to do. NAFTA? I'm all good to rip that up. Our Prime Minister at the time, totally screwed Canada on that deal. More than happy to renegotiate that mess. I live in Little Texas and all anyone can care about is the XL Pipeline. It's sickening. Extremely shortsighted. There's been recent talk that if America becomes inclusive that Canada will have to increase it's military budget  Completely laughable, can't wait to see how this plays out |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 14, 2016 10:34:10 GMT -8
Being Canadian, I am really interested what a full Republican deck is going to do. NAFTA? I'm all good to rip that up. Our Prime Minister at the time, totally screwed Canada on that deal. More than happy to renegotiate that mess. I live in Little Texas and all anyone can care about is the XL Pipeline. It's sickening. Extremely shortsighted. There's been recent talk that if America becomes inclusive that Canada will have to increase it's military budget Completely laughable, can't wait to see how this plays out Hopefully, the Republicans will draw from the mistakes of the past. Obama came in under similar circumstances. And to a large degree, much of the division in this country is a result of his stupidity in doing what he "could" do, rather than what he "should" do. He had no long-term vision. He took his eyes off the economy in order to create a legacy for himself and shoved the ACA down the throats of of half the country who opposed it (It wasn't even read before the vote - there wasn't time.). There was predictable backlash against this type of authoritarian (read Fascist) leadership stance. On top of that, the economy went to hell, and so did his healthcare premiums. Now his legacy is being dismantled by the leader of the opposition party. Gee...go figure. So my hope is that Trump is smarter than Obama and realizes that he needs to contend with the other half of the country. The fact that he's modifying his stance is an early indication that he just might have figured this out. If not, the pendulum is just going to swing the other way and we'll be back to square one with nothing getting done. |
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Nov 14, 2016 10:40:12 GMT -8
Being Canadian, I am really interested what a full Republican deck is going to do. NAFTA? I'm all good to rip that up. Our Prime Minister at the time, totally screwed Canada on that deal. More than happy to renegotiate that mess. I live in Little Texas and all anyone can care about is the XL Pipeline. It's sickening. Extremely shortsighted. There's been recent talk that if America becomes inclusive that Canada will have to increase it's military budget Completely laughable, can't wait to see how this plays out Hopefully, the Republicans will draw from the mistakes of the past. Obama came in under similar circumstances. And to a large degree, much of the division in this country is a result of his stupidity in doing what he "could" do, rather than what he "should" do. He had no long-term vision. He took his eyes off the economy in order to create a legacy for himself and shoved the ACA down the throats of of half the country who opposed it (It wasn't even read before the vote - there wasn't time.). There was predictable backlash against this type of authoritarian (read Fascist) leadership stance. On top of that, the economy went to hell, and so did his healthcare premiums. Now his legacy is being dismantled by the leader of the opposition party. Gee...go figure. So my hope is that Trump is smarter than Obama and realizes that he needs to contend with the other half of the country. The fact that he's modifying his stance is an early indication that he just might have figured this out. If not, the pendulum is just going to swing the other way and we'll be back to square one with nothing getting done. Well said. I do believe Trump is extremely intelligent. He's already elected people who know what they are doing to help him out. He totally looked out of his element the past few days in dealing with governmental structure. He also has balls, so I can see him enforcing what he wants done. The real question is what is feasible and what isn't according to what he has planned. He has already conceded that building a wall of China won't work and he will need fences in some areas. |
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Post by Jeffro on Nov 14, 2016 11:34:18 GMT -8
I was on another board today (music related) and there are lots of political posts and threads. One thread is titled "So why did Hillary lose?" It's amazingly civil. People of various views and beliefs having a normal conversation about politics.  A thread like that on the CGC boards would result in an electronic earthquake so large it would break the internet. Says a lot about the denizens. |
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Post by steveinthecity on Nov 14, 2016 15:36:24 GMT -8
Fareed ZakariaI'm surprised this guy still has a job, let alone retaining his position as one of the foremost personalities on CNN and host of the show GPS. He's a hack journalist spewing out his own political and racist views of America. Like most others in his profession, he was 100% wrong about the election and refuses to acknowledge it. If he had actually done his job as a journalist/reporter, he would have seen the risk of making predictions about the certainty of Hillary's presidency and the collapse of the Republican Party. News outlets used to report facts, rather than opinion. Increasingly, they seem only to be places where people go to reinforce their own preconceptions. His latest diatribes are purely racist and are a complete embarrassment to anyone with an ounce of gray matter. I don't think we should tolerate that, whether it comes from the Left or the Right. I get that he's upset with the election results and frustrated with his own lack of skills and intelligence; but to demonize one color or culture and paint them all as evil is idiotic and wrong, and just highlights his failed credentials. CNN used to be better than this. Guys with resumes like Fahreed are a dime a dozen, and most can be found on Facebook where they belong. I expect excellence in journalism...or at the very least...adequacy. Kind off topic, but I have a book of his at home "Post American World", I think. Maybe I should read it? I only know of him a tiny bit from CNN, but I rarely see any news broadcasts unless someone links me to a video or something. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 14, 2016 16:24:33 GMT -8
Fareed ZakariaI'm surprised this guy still has a job, let alone retaining his position as one of the foremost personalities on CNN and host of the show GPS. He's a hack journalist spewing out his own political and racist views of America. Like most others in his profession, he was 100% wrong about the election and refuses to acknowledge it. If he had actually done his job as a journalist/reporter, he would have seen the risk of making predictions about the certainty of Hillary's presidency and the collapse of the Republican Party. News outlets used to report facts, rather than opinion. Increasingly, they seem only to be places where people go to reinforce their own preconceptions. His latest diatribes are purely racist and are a complete embarrassment to anyone with an ounce of gray matter. I don't think we should tolerate that, whether it comes from the Left or the Right. I get that he's upset with the election results and frustrated with his own lack of skills and intelligence; but to demonize one color or culture and paint them all as evil is idiotic and wrong, and just highlights his failed credentials. CNN used to be better than this. Guys with resumes like Fahreed are a dime a dozen, and most can be found on Facebook where they belong. I expect excellence in journalism...or at the very least...adequacy. Kind off topic, but I have a book of his at home "Post American World", I think. Maybe I should read it? I only know of him a tiny bit from CNN, but I rarely see any news broadcasts unless someone links me to a video or something.  Just look at the title to that book. He believes America jumped the shark and will now be taking orders from China, India and Islam; and we just aren't smart enough to understand it yet. He's a hater. (I actually haven't read that book, so I don't know what it's about...but I bet I'm right based on what he says in his articles.) Interestingly, he's an Indian elitist from a prominent Indian family. His dad was a politician. So he owes everything to the caste system in India which allowed him to stand on the backs of the lower classes and attend Harvard and Yale in this country. If he was from a meritocracy, he'd be back in India monitoring phone-support questions from Americans. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 14, 2016 16:46:38 GMT -8
Fareed is also a plagiarist. linkAnd if you Google "fareed zakaria plagiarism" you quickly find it isn't an isolated incident. Total hack. |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 14, 2016 16:51:52 GMT -8
the economy took a hit after the ACA?
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 14, 2016 16:53:14 GMT -8
@metal
I think you are giving Trump way too much credit.
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Post by Stu on Nov 14, 2016 16:59:28 GMT -8
@metal I think you are giving Trump way too much credit. I just can't believe we elected an internet troll as president |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 14, 2016 17:02:41 GMT -8
the economy took a hit after the ACA? The economy was taking hits before, during and after the ACA. What Obama did was analogous to your house being on fire, and instead of putting it out you sit at the kitchen table calculating weight watcher points for tonight's dinner. |
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Post by Stu on Nov 14, 2016 17:03:22 GMT -8
Hopefully, the Republicans will draw from the mistakes of the past. Obama came in under similar circumstances. And to a large degree, much of the division in this country is a result of his stupidity in doing what he "could" do, rather than what he "should" do. He had no long-term vision. He took his eyes off the economy in order to create a legacy for himself and shoved the ACA down the throats of of half the country who opposed it (It wasn't even read before the vote - there wasn't time.). There was predictable backlash against this type of authoritarian (read Fascist) leadership stance. On top of that, the economy went to hell, and so did his healthcare premiums. Now his legacy is being dismantled by the leader of the opposition party. Gee...go figure. So my hope is that Trump is smarter than Obama and realizes that he needs to contend with the other half of the country. The fact that he's modifying his stance is an early indication that he just might have figured this out. If not, the pendulum is just going to swing the other way and we'll be back to square one with nothing getting done. Well said. I do believe Trump is extremely intelligent. He's already elected people who know what they are doing to help him out. He totally looked out of his element the past few days in dealing with governmental structure. They've been talking about how hypocritical this is. Trump promised to "drain the swamp" and then he goes and appoints a bunch of DC insiders. |
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Completely laughable, can't wait to see how this plays out
A thread like that on the CGC boards would result in an electronic earthquake so large it would break the internet. Says a lot about the denizens. 
