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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 11, 2016 7:17:23 GMT -8
not sure if i answered your question or not  Gotcha. Was just curious of your point of view. |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Nov 11, 2016 9:54:05 GMT -8
I'm very curious to see if Trump the presidential hopeful matches Trump the president-elect. It's stunning to me that he could say the things he said and still win. I am absolutely shocked. Candidates in the past have been brought low by far less than that. We are in very interesting political times right now. I'm hoping he, having made so many bonehead statements, has been speaking in metaphors, and that the core message of putting America first on our priority list is his true goal. Will he actually put a wall up? Not likely, but if the border can be tightened it can have the same affect. Will he charge 'them' for it? Of course not, but if he can successfully and significantly reduce the amount of people crossing our borders illegally only to send US money out of the country, they might be 'paying for it'. I'm wondering how the greasy handed Congress will react to Trump's decisions on foreign trade policies. |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 11, 2016 10:18:34 GMT -8
not sure if i answered your question or not Gotcha. Was just curious of your point of view. I guess the summarize, more inclusive than isolated |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 11, 2016 10:29:18 GMT -8
I'm very curious to see if Trump the presidential hopeful matches Trump the president-elect. It's stunning to me that he could say the things he said and still win. I am absolutely shocked. Candidates in the past have been brought low by far less than that. We are in very interesting political times right now. I'm hoping he, having made so many bonehead statements, has been speaking in metaphors, and that the core message of putting America first on our priority list is his true goal. Will he actually put a wall up? Not likely, but if the border can be tightened it can have the same affect. Will he charge 'them' for it? Of course not, but if he can successfully and significantly reduce the amount of people crossing our borders illegally only to send US money out of the country, they might be 'paying for it'. I'm wondering how the greasy handed Congress will react to Trump's decisions on foreign trade policies. I think this way also. His talk was as just talk. I'm not opposed to many of his proposals if they are done right |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Nov 11, 2016 10:43:14 GMT -8
 And I meant "greasy palmed", not "handed". |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 11, 2016 12:52:03 GMT -8
I had the AM radio on again while I was making lunch. I was listening to a Liberal show; they had a therapist on to help people who are emotionally distraught from the election. LMAO! I kept thinking that they were actually just confused and disoriented by the fact that the hundreds of anti-Trump memes they posted on social media seemed to have little or no effect - which led them to consider the possibility that no one is "actually" paying attention to their selfies and pictures of cocktails. Existential crisis.  |
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Post by steveinthecity on Nov 11, 2016 19:38:30 GMT -8
Yeah, the memes didn't work beyond gathering "likes" and accolades from those who already think the same. Gives one a false sense of reality, methinks. And not to pick on students in particular, but did anyone hear about the "cry in" at Cornell U.? These kids sound crushed and hopeless, worse than I imagine the response to Pearl Harbor was.
Also, the whole Colin K. not voting thing will make for good fodder on the sports talk shows.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 11, 2016 23:25:57 GMT -8
Yeah, the memes didn't work beyond gathering "likes" and accolades from those who already think the same. Gives one a false sense of reality, methinks. And not to pick on students in particular, but did anyone hear about the "cry in" at Cornell U.? These kids sound crushed and hopeless, worse than I imagine the response to Pearl Harbor was. Also, the whole Colin K. not voting thing will make for good fodder on the sports talk shows. Kap didn't vote??? I don't follow sports much...even the home teams...so I hadn't heard. Ok...just read the article. That's funny. Although, he did say he didn't like either candidate. And in CA, as you know, if you vote anything but Democrat your vote doesn't count. So even if he had voted for Hillary it wouldn't have made any difference. The funny part is that he was stupid enough to "admit" to not voting. Imagine if CA had proportional electoral votes based on the percentage of total votes. CA would determine every election. And I would imagine voter turn-out would be much, much higher here. |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 12, 2016 6:40:29 GMT -8
if future election was determined by popular vote (no electoral college) wouldn't that increase voting as well?
I'm not sure what the benefits are in having the electoral college
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 12, 2016 9:17:41 GMT -8
if future election was determined by popular vote (no electoral college) wouldn't that increase voting as well? I'm not sure what the benefits are in having the electoral college Yeah, the electoral college discourages voting with the "winner take all" mode. It also discourages voting in non-battleground/swing states. That's why saying, for example, "Hey, Hillary would have won the election because she had the most popular votes" is meaningless. If the electoral college were abolished and every vote counted, it would be a whole new ballgame. I've read up on the electoral college, and in the present day there doesn't seem to be any benefits whatsoever. Unfortunately, it would be almost impossible to get rid of because it's the way we have always done it, and it has a certain momentum (similar to the whole Daylight Saving thing). |
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Nov 12, 2016 14:43:17 GMT -8
You can't pull change out your ass, and you can't make change in 4 years. It takes time and commitment from EVERYBODY. Meantime, while there is a majority republican presence in the house, things can get done a bit quicker, however, democrats are going to go out of their way to sabotage everything they can, even if they agree.
This protesting is absolute BS. "I couldn't vote for Hillary" Well you could have supported your party. That is the lamest thing I've ever heard. Get your government in office, then vote again for a new president. I'm sure someone would have come forward to challenge her for the party ruler.
You didn't vote, STFU
And I am Canadian for crying out loud.
With that said, I am VERY interested in which way Trump is going to go with foreign policy. Rip up NAFTA? PLEASE DO!!! We, as Canadians got HOSED on that deal. Totally in agreement with re negotiating that. However, the sick thing is all I hear on the news is XL Pipeline this and XL pipeline that. I live in little Texas. We just want to get our oil to the coast. It's so shortsighted and ignorant.
I really don't like complaining about complaining, but seriously, I think I just need a nice little island somewhere
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Post by jsilverjanet on Nov 12, 2016 16:47:53 GMT -8
So reports say Trump got 1/3 of the Hispanic vote and 1/4 of the African-American vote
Not sure how critical those votes would have been in the states she lost, but democrats have a huge problem on their hand.
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Post by steveinthecity on Nov 12, 2016 17:15:41 GMT -8
So reports say Trump got 1/3 of the Hispanic vote and 1/4 of the African-American vote Not sure how critical those votes would have been in the states she lost, but democrats have a huge problem on their hand. Those numbers don't seem particularly high. What I thought was more alarming for the Dems is that so many women went with Trump over Clinton. Although I read only 25% of Latino women and 5% of African American women chose Trump. That leaves a lot of white women and "unspecified" who voted Trump. That was surprising to me. |
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Nov 12, 2016 17:27:37 GMT -8
The veiwpoint on the news up here is that the Republicans had their regular voter turn out and the Democrats didn't. That's what lost them this election.
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Post by steveinthecity on Nov 12, 2016 17:39:19 GMT -8
The veiwpoint on the news up here is that the Republicans had their regular voter turn out and the Democrats didn't. That's what lost them this election. That jibes with the same thing I'm hearing. The Stares where Clinton lost had an average voting drop off of around 2.5%. |
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Gotcha. Was just curious of your point of view.
And I meant "greasy palmed", not "handed". 
