parker1865
TCBF Member
Joined: September 2018
Posts: 1,325
|
Post by parker1865 on Nov 2, 2018 10:41:38 GMT -8
I can not understand that position, and my opinion is it is a little to sophomoric an observation for my taste, designed to to play the middle and look like he knew all along what was happening. He didn't. The phrasing used is just an old shock value ploy.
"Bipartisan ecumenical populist rage" is straight out of a Kafkaesque novel, and is a meaningless grouping of words and is just showing off and hinting that he is an "aw shucks kinda guy" (note cursing for effect) that does not want to appear to be talking down to anybody, because, gee, he didn't ask to be brilliant, he just wants to be the average neighborhood buddy.
I will use another method to describe what is stated: He is a BS Artist.
|
|
|
Post by Bats on Nov 2, 2018 11:37:42 GMT -8
More importantly, how does his hair stay in place...?
|
|
parker1865
TCBF Member
Joined: September 2018
Posts: 1,325
|
Post by parker1865 on Nov 2, 2018 11:43:04 GMT -8
Heilemann works hard at it.
|
|
|
Post by Bats on Nov 2, 2018 11:46:07 GMT -8
Heilemann works hard at it. I meant Trump
I think I jumped ahead a little.
|
|
parker1865
TCBF Member
Joined: September 2018
Posts: 1,325
|
Post by parker1865 on Nov 2, 2018 12:15:26 GMT -8
Yep...leave me an opening and I am diving into that sucker.
|
|
|
Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 6, 2018 9:00:21 GMT -8
|
|
|
Post by Stu on Nov 6, 2018 12:06:08 GMT -8
Aw gawd, is the blue waffle back?
|
|
|
Post by Jeffro on Nov 7, 2018 11:35:14 GMT -8
Apparently, gridlock is good for the stock market. I may need to move out of CT though
|
|
parker1865
TCBF Member
Joined: September 2018
Posts: 1,325
|
Post by parker1865 on Nov 7, 2018 12:32:26 GMT -8
I think we should wait until any new "Sessions" starts, to determine if gridlock can be overcome. In general, I think it can be. I am not an attorney, though.
Then again, a well played and well timed plan and counter move often trumps even a good attorney.
The good news is, having been to CT., there are plenty of other reasons to move out of CT., in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by copperagekids on Nov 17, 2018 2:59:54 GMT -8
I can not understand that position, and my opinion is it is a little to sophomoric an observation for my taste, designed to to play the middle and look like he knew all along what was happening. He didn't. The phrasing used is just an old shock value ploy. "Bipartisan ecumenical populist rage" is straight out of a Kafkaesque novel, and is a meaningless grouping of words and is just showing off and hinting that he is an "aw shucks kinda guy" (note cursing for effect) that does not want to appear to be talking down to anybody, because, gee, he didn't ask to be brilliant, he just wants to be the average neighborhood buddy. I will use another method to describe what is stated: He is a BS Artist. Heilemann is a shill for the Democratic establishment. He is not a leftist, he is a neoliberal. If one wants to call Hillary Clinton a leftist (which would be a joke in itself).... than by all means, you can lump Heilemann in with Hilary Clinton. But that is a comically gross exaggeration.
|
|
|
Post by copperagekids on Nov 17, 2018 3:12:37 GMT -8
The 2018 Midterm Elections are on Tuesday, 11/6/18In preparation, I've been watching quite a few documentaries about the 2016 Election. I thought this was an amazing quote from John Heilemann who is a left-wing political analyst. I think he's placing too much emphasis on the ecumenical voting block and probably missing the wider picture, but it's an amazing quote nonetheless. This was the year of bipartisan ecumenical populist rage, and it was enough that the figure of Donald Trump was able to marshall that populist outrage and engineer a hostile takeover of the Republican party on the back of widespread outrage and anger at Democrats and Republicans and Washington and Wall Street and Fortune 500 and the mass media and every major establishment and institution in the country.
People are fuckin' pissed off. And their attitude was, "You know what? That guy is risky. But doin' the same thing over and over again for another 20 years that we did in the last 20 years and it didn't fix anything? That's risky too. And I'm willing to take these risks and just roll a fuckin' stick of dynamite into Washington DC and blow the up and see where the rubble falls."
--John Heilemann (immediately after Trump won the 2016 election) Heilemann is a neoliberal hack. There is a gaping difference between neoliberal Democrats and those who are legitimately on the left. The real (progressive) left consists of the likes of Bernie Sanders, Ro Khanna, Barbara Lee, Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard. Heilemann, the Clintons, Corey Booker, Kamalah Harris, Corey Booker, Obama and so on....are NOT on the left. They are all Republican light neoliberal Democrats.
|
|
|
Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 17, 2018 11:29:53 GMT -8
The 2018 Midterm Elections are on Tuesday, 11/6/18In preparation, I've been watching quite a few documentaries about the 2016 Election. I thought this was an amazing quote from John Heilemann who is a left-wing political analyst. I think he's placing too much emphasis on the ecumenical voting block and probably missing the wider picture, but it's an amazing quote nonetheless. This was the year of bipartisan ecumenical populist rage, and it was enough that the figure of Donald Trump was able to marshall that populist outrage and engineer a hostile takeover of the Republican party on the back of widespread outrage and anger at Democrats and Republicans and Washington and Wall Street and Fortune 500 and the mass media and every major establishment and institution in the country.
People are fuckin' pissed off. And their attitude was, "You know what? That guy is risky. But doin' the same thing over and over again for another 20 years that we did in the last 20 years and it didn't fix anything? That's risky too. And I'm willing to take these risks and just roll a fuckin' stick of dynamite into Washington DC and blow the up and see where the rubble falls."
--John Heilemann (immediately after Trump won the 2016 election) Heilemann is a neoliberal hack. There is a gaping difference between neoliberal Democrats and those who are legitimately on the left. The real (progressive) left consists of the likes of Bernie Sanders, Ro Khanna, Barbara Lee, Elizabeth Warren and Tulsi Gabbard. Heilemann, the Clintons, Corey Booker, Kamalah Harris, Corey Booker, Obama and so on....are NOT on the left. They are all Republican light neoliberal Democrats. The problem is, there's no daylight between the two parties anymore, there's only tribalism. Neither party has planks rooted in ideology. They exist only to acquire influence, stay in power, and ride the meal train. These are professional politicians, not representatives of 'the people' as they were meant to be. Terms like conservative, liberal, neo-whatever, DINOs, RINOs, moderates, etc., constantly change with the political landscape and have no meaning. This isn't new. For example, JFK would be considered a conservative by today's standards; in fact, Reagan borrowed heavily from his supply-side economics model. I think what Heilimann's quote touches on is the growing dissatisfaction with class divisions among the electorate, and the failure of either party to address it with their respective social and economic policies. Multi-administration failure is easy to see and hard to ignore, even among the unwashed masses. Witness the simultaneous rise of both Sanders and Trump which many pundits have attempted to categorize as polarization; yet the more obvious model is intra-party dissatisfaction with the status quo - outsiders are in, and insiders are out. If Sanders had won, that quote would be equally applicable in my opinion.
|
|
parker1865
TCBF Member
Joined: September 2018
Posts: 1,325
|
Post by parker1865 on Nov 19, 2018 7:19:50 GMT -8
Everything would have been fine if he didn't state "bipartisan ecumenical populist rage". I would guess 85% of people that read that don't know what it means. I don't. Well, except the rage part. I remember something about rage against the machine or something.
|
|
davidpg
TCBF Member
Joined: January 2021
Posts: 114
|
Post by davidpg on Jan 5, 2023 8:49:18 GMT -8
Well this was a good, retrospective read!
|
|
|
Post by vintagecomics on Jan 5, 2023 9:22:33 GMT -8
Well this was a good, retrospective read! copperagekids was ahead of his time.
|
|