2020 Presidential Thread

You have said Tucker Carlson is one of the few people in mainstream media telling the truth, how do reconcile that with the information that has come out as a result of the Dominion lawsuit against Fox News?

Also, how do reconcile this with Republican senators calling this report on Fox News as BS?

Frankly I would've been fine if they released all the footage within reason to the public for transparency.

Transparency.

Hrm.


Well, THIS is an interesting turn of events. 

Jack Smith, Special Counsel in the Jan 6 Indictment of Trump Admits To Making False Claim To Court In Trump Case

Special counsel Jack Smith's team made a startling admission in its case against former President Donald Trump, acknowledging in a new court filing that it failed to turn over all evidence to Mr. Trump's legal team as required by law and falsely claimed that it had.

I'm so glad you asked. 

As I've been trying to explain to you, mainstream news doesn't primarily OR voluntarily report on happenings. It reports on things they want you to see. They only report on things that go AGAINST their intended narrative when they have no choice AND when they can spin it into something else. 

As we openly discussed in the WC about a year ago with Jaybuck, who apparently has a deep understanding of the mainstream media and has written a book on it, editorial staff curate a political bent to their organizations. This is undisputed at this point. As a clear example, Jaybuck himself (a Liberal and someone who likes the NYT) admitted the NYT are Left leaning, so that means they won't report as much news favorable to the right.

I will now show you, using your own words that this news is true AND that your sources are unreliable while mine are.

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1st, If the news you consider "neutral" actually were "neutral" they'd report on this. It's big news. One of the most powerful law makers in the country in the most powerful legal battle in the world lied + withheld evidence. 

2nd, I think you meant to say "mainstream" and not "neutral" because the bias is easy to document so it's not "neutral". I already did it in the Gaslighting thread yesterday. You should check it out. Almost NONE of the sources you use are "neutral" and they are definitely biased. 

My 3rd point will prove this....

According to your words, if I can find a "neutral" or "mainstream" source reporting on this you'll accept it as true.

There just so happens to be such a source (besides the courts themselves, that is).

Newsweek, a clearly mainstream (ummm..."neutral"  ) source has reported on it in this article, but look at how they reported on it:

They spun it as a "mistake" in passing, buried deep in the article and no even mention of it as withholding evidence or lying - Gaslighting at it's finest.

Millions will read this article and never realize what happened. 

Is that news? 

Jack Smith Admits Mistake in Trump Mar-a-Lago Tapes

On Monday, in a letter signed by Smith and others, the team handling the investigation reported that it had provided additional materials, including surveillance footage to Trump's legal team, as part of the case's discovery process.

The letter explained that the materials were not previously provided by mistake, realizing the error as it prepared to submit the superseding indictment. The materials were originally obtained by the government in May, with the DOJ attesting in court on July 18 that all necessary files had been turned over, which it said in hindsight was "therefore incorrect."


So, to summarize:

1) it proves that your news is not neutral 
2) it proves using your own criteria that this actually happened 
3) it proves that your sources are not as reliable as you thought they were 
4) It proves the Epoch News is not like the National Enquirer and that they are providing credible news. 

Although, I really should point out that EVEN THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER HAS BROKEN SOME OF THE BIGGEST NEWS STORIES IN US HISTORY. 

That's called a checkmate. 

It's what you get when you use Logic and Free Speech to separate the lies and the truth. 

Dude, I just proved to you from multiple angles (using YOUR OWN CRITERIA) that you're wrong and I'm the one that's lost?

Trump's prosecutor lied and withheld evidence in court. That's it. There's nothing else to discuss on that point. 

You trying to spin it from that to "ultra MAGA" is where the problem is. 

It's not confidence. It's just a leaning on logic. Logic doesn't fail. 

The dude lied. Admit it. End of story. 

But wait....there's more!

A group claims they have THE PROOF. 

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Catherine Engelbrecht and Gregg Phillips of True the Vote (TTV) believe they have the goods to prove that “Trump was right” about the 2020 election in Georgia. Their work concerning the state’s voter rolls allegedly proves that at the time of Raffenperger’s Nov. 20, 2020 certification, there were, according to Engelbrecht, “364,000 ineligible voter records,” of which approximately 67,000 actually voted in the 2020 election. UncoverDC spent some time this week talking with Engelbrecht about TTV’s investigation of Georgia’s voter rolls.

Engelbrecht and Phillips both unequivocally believe Trump was justified in questioning Georgia’s results during his Jan. 2, 2021, phone call with Raffensperger and others. Ironically, Engelbrecht and Phillips appeared in court on Thursday in Fulton County to request the dismissal of their 2000 Mules lawsuit with the Georgia State Election Board (SEB) blocks away from where Trump would turn himself in because of his alleged “election interference” case.

Few people know more about how elections are run or stolen than Catherine Engelbrecht of True the Vote. Since 2010, her organization has been at the forefront of addressing proper election administration in all its forms, with a longstanding focus on maintaining and cleaning voter rolls.

I will openly admit that I don't have a strong opinion on Jan 6th except for the comments I've already made on falsified evidence but as I continue to read many things come to light. 

This is a great article from the 'other side of the fence' on what went on in Georgia, where Trump has been indicted. 


Trump to Raffensperger: “We Just Want The Truth”

The telephone call was conceivably a final effort by the Trump Campaign to get the Georgia Secretary of State to take seriously the allegations listed in the Complaint and address them on their merits. For his part, Raffensperger spoke cautiously while maintaining his office investigated the claims and found nothing suggesting fraud or invalid voting as asserted by the complaint.

Trump’s message seems clear. He asked that Raffensperger and his team provide his campaign with the evidence and data that the State is relying upon to conclude that their claims lacked credibility.

At the end of the call, President Trump reiterates that he is looking for accuracy, transparency, and public access. Again, he remarks, “we just want the truth.”