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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2021 13:14:05 GMT -8
then there is all the non-trump riots.... I've been talking about those for weeks and nobody can really give an answer as to how the are different from the Capitol riot.
I'm not OK with any rioting and spoke out openly against the BLM riots last year on social media and on the CGC forum. I'm all for peaceful protesting but I'm more concerned about the double standard of some riots being OK while others are not.
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 10, 2021 13:21:28 GMT -8
there is absolutely no difference, and the videos are as horrendous as the one you posted. with the addition of fires and everything.  |
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Post by Buzzetta on Feb 12, 2021 17:26:13 GMT -8
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Post by Stu on Feb 13, 2021 8:22:25 GMT -8
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 0:06:10 GMT -8
there is absolutely no difference, and the videos are as horrendous as the one you posted. with the addition of fires and everything. I watched the defense's rebuttal video during the impeachment hearings.
Hearing all of those Democrats shout for fighting, opposition and physical intimidation towards Trump and Trump supporters sure made me see Trump's speech and comments in a different light.
In just a vacuum, sure, Trump could have sounded like he may have been inciting protestors but in light of Democrat rhetoric has been for years during Trump's tenure and ESPECIALLY what many of them said about the BLM protests make them just as guilty of inciting a riot as Trump was.  And that doesn't even touch on the point that Dems have also questioned the integrity of election results and even tried to have an election overturned with the Russian collusion fabrication in 2016.
And if they weren't guilty through all of that then objectively speaking there is no way Trump is.
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 15, 2021 4:58:34 GMT -8
I agree.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 16, 2021 22:49:56 GMT -8
there is absolutely no difference, and the videos are as horrendous as the one you posted. with the addition of fires and everything. I watched the defense's rebuttal video during the impeachment hearings.
Hearing all of those Democrats shout for fighting, opposition and physical intimidation towards Trump and Trump supporters sure made me see Trump's speech and comments in a different light.
In just a vacuum, sure, Trump could have sounded like he may have been inciting protestors but in light of Democrat rhetoric has been for years during Trump's tenure and ESPECIALLY what many of them said about the BLM protests make them just as guilty of inciting a riot as Trump was. And that doesn't even touch on the point that Dems have also questioned the integrity of election results and even tried to have an election overturned with the Russian collusion fabrication in 2016.
And if they weren't guilty through all of that then objectively speaking there is no way Trump is.
One of the most important factors you need to finding out the truth of a matter is time.
You can't rush integrity and thoroughness.
Glen Greenwald's latest paper, breaking down some of the most popularly pushed narratives like how Officer Sicknick died, why the protestor with the plastic tie straps was in the chamber and whether this was an armed insurrection or not all come apart when you take the time to compare ALL of the evidence objectively.
The irony here is that he uses public sources and news articles (included articles that retract their own false news stories) to prove his objectivity.
This isn't partisan news politics. This is simply a gathering of all the facts in a thorough manner (something any one of us could do) and put together in an easy to understand format that makes perfect sense.
This is an eye opening and sobering MUST read compared to what's been pushed on the headlines of every major news network and it should be required reading before anyone has anything further to say about the riots, because chances are you're just pushing false facts.
Insisting on factual accuracy does not make one an apologist for the protesters. False reporting is never justified, especially to inflate threat and fear levels.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 21, 2021 20:31:47 GMT -8
Memories are so short. Dave and I just talked about the rewriting of history and that is happening as we speak. It's insane to be a part of history that the world will likely study for 100's of years...if there is any true history left to be preserved. Has everyone forgotten how a false smear campaign was started by the Democrats accusing Trump of colluding with Russia? And how was Russia accused to be colluding with Russians to affect the election? Part of the Russian campaign was found to be 1000's of fake accounts on social media producing misinformation campaigns They said that the Russians colluded with Trump to sway public opinions through social media manipulation. From Wiki: The Internet Research Agency (IRA), based in Saint Petersburg, Russia and described as a troll farm, created thousands of social media accounts that purported to be Americans supporting radical political groups and planned or promoted events in support of Trump and against Clinton. They reached millions of social media users between 2013 and 2017. Fabricated articles and disinformation were spread from Russian government-controlled media, and promoted on social media. They literally tried to prove that Clinton was robbed by Russia meddling in the elections through social media manipulation. Now fast forward to the 2020 election and the same Democrats that accused the 2016 elections of being manipulated and unsecure now say that the election is secure and that it couldn't have been manipulated. And yet it's been shown in Glen Greenwald's articles that most major news sites (which are left leaning) refused to publish anything negative about Hunter Biden's briefcase story, there is audio of CNN's CEO stating not to give any positive coverage of anything for Trump and we know that Silicon Valley is 95% left leaning. There are MANY more examples of bias and manipulation. Like the fabrication of key points of the Capitol Hill protest that caused the public narrative to pivot into an insurrection and calling them 'domestic terrorists' as are well documented in this article.
Nothing manipulates an election more effectively than simply manipulating the information the public sees and this has been proven to be true throughout history. It's the first fundamental hallmark of a fascist government. So why is this news not on headlines around the world? Because 50 years from now they want you to forget what actually happened and remember the mainstream media version of it. But we'll all remember because we were there. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2021 18:37:23 GMT -8
Is it just me or is there a lot of cloak and dagger going on around the Jan 6 Capitol Hill protest?
We're talking Washington DC Capitol Hill. This wasn't some out of the way strip mall with questionable surveillance. This should be one of the most secure government buildings in the country with plenty of surveillance.
There are false news accounts of what actually happened. Officer Sicknick was reported dead from a head injury and yet he spoke to his brother from the hospital saying he just had some pepper spray after he was reported dead.
The guy with the tie straps was made out to be a terrorist but instead was found to have just picked up the tie straps and was trying to keep them from being misused.
The Capitol Hill police chief resigns after the event.
The Democratic prosecutors actually fabricated evidence for the 2nd impeachment trial. Fabricated evidence for a trial. Think about that.
Nancy Pelosi is possibly going to be investigated for knowing more about the protest beforehand than she let on about.
2 officers who were on Capitol Hill on Jan 6 have committed suicide days after the attack.
35 officers from Capitol Hill that day are under investigation with 6 suspended with pay for improper duty.
Am I missing anything?
Do all similar protests end up with this many blunders, questions, contradictions and messed up intelligence and police work etc?
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 8, 2021 11:28:15 GMT -8
Can't talk about this on the CGC forum but this is an excellent example of media bias.
Apparently the Georgia state capitol was stormed with Liberal protesters who were protesting voter ID laws a few days ago.
The reason this is important should be obvious. Every major Liberal swinging news company covered the US Capitol protests and that coverage included many fraudulent 'facts' being portrayed as 'news' only to be retracted later once the damage has been done and people's opinions have been swayed already. This is how a people are divided and misled into believing things that are not true. You only show them half of the truth, not the whole truths.
I did a search for WSJ and NYT articles on the subject and a quick Google search didn't uncover anything. Maybe I missed it? They did the same thing when Bezos wanted to cancel mail in ballots for his own union votes saying they were ripe for corruption but not a single left wing paper mentioned that Bezos championed vote in ballots for the presidential election.
This isn't an anti-liberal post, it's a post about fair representation of the facts and it provides another clear example of how brainwashing works.
The media is complicit in not providing fair coverage and nobody even cares. This is straight out of the formation of every fascist state in history.
The only news articles about this come from smaller or independent sites. I saw it on a feed from a site I follow just to get 'opposite views' from so I can be better informed.
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Post by parker1865 on Mar 8, 2021 11:51:26 GMT -8
With the Fed maneuvering to change the game, and stop State legislatures from deciding their own fate and voting rules, as the Constitution envisioned, this will be the norm.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 8, 2021 12:01:19 GMT -8
With the Fed maneuvering to change the game, and stop State legislatures from deciding their own fate and voting rules, as the Constitution envisioned, this will be the norm. What will be the norm?
The protests? Or states trying to push for changes before the Fed changes the game?
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Post by parker1865 on Mar 8, 2021 12:28:18 GMT -8
The Fed push will trigger the protests being the norm. The Fed is not going to give up the momentum.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 8, 2021 12:32:43 GMT -8
The Fed push will trigger the protests being the norm. The Fed is not going to give up the momentum. I'm not clear on what you're saying is happening with the Fed. If you care to elaborate here or via PM feel free.
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Post by parker1865 on Mar 8, 2021 13:01:58 GMT -8
Congress has introduced Bills concerning voting, including the most recent, to be taken up by the Senate, shortly, and then there is AZ and Nevada.
The event you describe is a direct result of the recent political actions by Congress, and their intent to federalize State legislature rules of voting in the State.
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And that doesn't even touch on the point that Dems have also questioned the integrity of election results and even tried to have an election overturned with the Russian collusion fabrication in 2016. 