MetalPSI™
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Feb 19, 2017 11:18:07 GMT -8
And no, I am not a Republican. I am a conservative, small "c." I find that funny because it seems that american liberals are our far right
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Post by docgo on Feb 19, 2017 11:46:09 GMT -8
We'll just have to agree to disagree on minimum wage. I know too many folks here in California who work 2 jobs to make ends meet. In my experience, which is just a sample size of one, these folks tend to be mostly Mexican. I do agree the potential impact of minimum wage increases is not so cut and dry. We shall see. Abortion? You say the insidious might tell you eugenics. I say there is a cure for poverty and it's a rudimentary one. It works everywhere and for the same reasons. " The cure for poverty is the empowerment of women. If you allow women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, if you take them off the animal cycle of reproduction which nature and some religious doctrine condemns them and then if you throw in a handful of seeds and perhaps some credit, the floor of everything in that village - not just poverty, education, and health and optimism - will increase." (C. Hitchens) Anyone against the only thing that cures poverty is then in favor of an entrenchment that leads to an enormous increase in the amount of poverty, ignorance, filth and disease in the world. While I do believe the concept of an 'unborn child' is a real one, there may be circumstances where it may be undesirable to carry a fetus to full term. Under many circumstances I'd advocate the termination of a pregnancy if birth control fails. Nature itself is the great abortifacient. Nature knows that some fetuses aren't going to make it and flushes them out. In terms of survival, we wouldn't be here if it weren't for this brutal fact. Forcing women to have unwanted children, or to carry a fetus to full term and put it up for adoption, may add to the amount of suffering in the world, not subtract from it. One needs only to look at current birth rates, adoption rates and foster children and 'group home' children numbers to realize that the system doesn't need any added stress. I will end with my view that it cannot be only the responsibility of the woman to decide upon abortion, that it's a social, ethical and moral question. Not a religious one. Wow. I'm not sure if you're being serious with the above or if you're playfully baiting RMA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 12:53:35 GMT -8
Wow. I'm not sure if you're being serious with the above or if you're playfully baiting RMA. Not sure which part of my post that you quoted you are referring to - all of it? But no, I'm serious. I don't bait. Those are my views. Additionally I'll state, from what I see, many folks aren't really pro-life. They are pro-birth. There's a difference. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education. That would be pro-life.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Feb 19, 2017 14:20:55 GMT -8
Wow. I'm not sure if you're being serious with the above or if you're playfully baiting RMA. Not sure which part of my post that you quoted you are referring to - all of it? But no, I'm serious. I don't bait. Those are my views. Additionally I'll state, from what I see, many folks aren't really pro-life. They are pro-birth. There's a difference. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education. That would be pro-life.I like that statement
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2017 16:01:51 GMT -8
Not sure which part of my post that you quoted you are referring to - all of it? But no, I'm serious. I don't bait. Those are my views. Additionally I'll state, from what I see, many folks aren't really pro-life. They are pro-birth. There's a difference. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education. That would be pro-life.I like that statement I learned that concept from a Catholic Nun, believe it or not.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Feb 19, 2017 17:28:16 GMT -8
I believe it. In a lot of ways, those people are on the front lines of this kind of stuff, around the world. It's a shame the church is corrupt and doesn't actually do anything about it, other than looking for more members to support their cult.
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Post by docgo on Feb 21, 2017 22:22:40 GMT -8
Wow. I'm not sure if you're being serious with the above or if you're playfully baiting RMA. Not sure which part of my post that you quoted you are referring to - all of it? But no, I'm serious. I don't bait. Those are my views. Additionally I'll state, from what I see, many folks aren't really pro-life. They are pro-birth. There's a difference. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education. That would be pro-life. No. That's not pro-life at all if it means destroying any life that doesn't have immediate access to such amenities. Imagine how many lives would have never seen the light of day under such restrictions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 0:01:15 GMT -8
Not sure which part of my post that you quoted you are referring to - all of it? But no, I'm serious. I don't bait. Those are my views. Additionally I'll state, from what I see, many folks aren't really pro-life. They are pro-birth. There's a difference. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education. That would be pro-life. No. That's not pro-life at all if it means destroying any life that doesn't have immediate access to such amenities. Imagine how many lives would have never seen the light of day under such restrictions. In my view, pro-life would mean ensuring that every child has access to adequate health-care, housing, clothing, nutrition, and education.In this statement, where do you see anything about destroying life? That is a separate issue. I stated what I think pro-life means. Nothing more, nothing less. I look at things like this: the best possible outcome involves the least amount of suffering for the greatest number of lives. The worst possible outcome would be the greatest amount of suffering for the greatest number of lives. Without focusing too much on value judgement, I'd call the first scenario "good" and the second scenario "bad". Look around. Look at the current average family size in America, Canada, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, et al.; countries with a high standard of living and the least amount of suffering. I don't think we suddenly got good at the rhythm method. Family planning, including all forms of birth control, are responsible for manageable family size. It's also no coincidence that females in these societies have also become more educated, have some say in their social position and have access to adequate health care (to some or a greater degree). The poorest, most poverty stricken regions (and groups within the developed countries listed above that are living in poverty) have larger families and uneducated women that often have no say in their social position, and have little to no access to adequate health care. The amount of suffering in those parts of the world is tremendous. It is no coincidence. I firmly believe that if every viable pregnancy had been carried to full term for the past how-many-ever decades, there would be more human suffering in the world, not less. The subject of abortion is serious and though I'm not against it, I am thankful for those who oppose the procedure as it helps curb what could become a blithe attitude towards what could and should be one of the most important and difficult decisions in a woman's life.
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Post by docgo on Feb 22, 2017 22:41:32 GMT -8
Let's take your definition of "pro-life" to its logical end: if someone is pregnant and cannot provide the child with the amenities you mentioned, what then?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:33:48 GMT -8
Let's take your definition of "pro-life" to its logical end: if someone is pregnant and cannot provide the child with the amenities you mentioned, what then? Then I'd look to the underlying causes and conditions as to why the parent aren't able to adequately provide for the child. It seems to me that you're begging the question: if the terms of my pro-life definition were met to some degree worldwide, then there would be little to no need to address your question except to manage outliers such as acute dysfunction or some sort of sociopathy in the home environment. My point is this: there seems to be great concern to obligate women to carry their pregnancy full term - regardless of most circumstance - and after the child is born any inadequacies are laid solely upon the parents. Actual societal concern for the child post-birth becomes secondary, as evidenced by the number of children that face degrees of insecurity in their basic physiological and safety needs - both worldwide as well as here in a developed country like the U.S.A.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Feb 24, 2017 13:52:22 GMT -8
Then you have the growing section of humanity like myself and my better half who have completely sworn off children.
In fact there is a concern in Japan where people aren't even getting into deep relationships anymore. Read that in the WC a few months ago.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:57:22 GMT -8
Then you have the growing section of humanity like myself and my better half who have completely sworn off children. In fact there is a concern in Japan where people aren't even getting into deep relationships anymore. Read that in the WC a few months ago. You and your mate must be a masters at the rhythm method.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Feb 24, 2017 13:59:57 GMT -8
Praise science for coming up with the IUD
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Mar 1, 2017 13:44:00 GMT -8
Man...what a day on the market. The DOW broke 21,000 for the first time ever. It only took 24 trading days to transverse the 1000 points from 20,000.
Dow: 21,115.55, +303.31, (+1.46%) S&P 500: 2,395.96, +32.32, (+1.37%) Nasdaq: 5,904.03, +78.59, (+1.35%)
President Trump surprised a number of people in both camps and hit one out of the park with last night's address. The devil is always in the details, but he's looking pretty good to a lot of people right now, especially Wall Street. Personally, I think he's taking a page out of Reagan's playbook and emphasizing optimism with a heavy dose of Supply Side Economics. I hope it works...we could use a break.
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Post by jsilverjanet on Mar 12, 2017 23:03:09 GMT -8
I'm a little surprised this thread has died down a little. Unless some posts were deleted by Russian intelligence.
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