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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 14:24:23 GMT -8
This makes NO logical sense. I would have to explain a lot of immunology here, some of which I've already explained in the past and I'm just not up for it. You are just wrong and have a very incomplete understanding of viral biology, immune system and chemistry in general. Kav, without explaining the immunology, just using logic it can't be the same. They are two entirely different things, entering different ways and doing different things in the body. How can two completely different sets of circumstances amount to the exact the same thing? It's nearly impossible. But more importantly, without getting sidetracked, this discussion has ALWAYS been a discussion about whether the Covid-19 vaccine mandates are ethical and legal, and they NEVER WERE. The vaccines WERE NOT AS SAFE AS WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE. That is an established fact that governments around the world are now admitting. And if they were as safe as we were told they wouldn't be apologizing and talking about how safe they aren't. |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 14:37:57 GMT -8
I would have to explain a lot of immunology here, some of which I've already explained in the past and I'm just not up for it. You are just wrong and have a very incomplete understanding of viral biology, immune system and chemistry in general. Kav, without explaining the immunology, just using logic it can't be the same. They are two entirely different things, entering different ways and doing different things in the body. How can two completely different sets of circumstances amount to the exact the same thing? It's nearly impossible. But more importantly, without getting sidetracked, this discussion has ALWAYS been a discussion about whether the Covid-19 vaccine mandates are ethical and legal, and they NEVER WERE. The vaccines WERE NOT AS SAFE AS WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE. That is an established fact that governments around the world are now admitting. And if they were as safe as we were told they wouldn't be apologizing and talking about how safe they aren't. you have to understand the immunology to understand the logic. You cant have solid logic if you do not understand the parameters. Anyway there's no way we can come to any agreement on this. |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 15:03:19 GMT -8
Kav, without explaining the immunology, just using logic it can't be the same. you have to understand the immunology to understand the logic. You cant have solid logic if you do not understand the parameters. Anyway there's no way we can come to any agreement on this. That's not how logic works to my understanding. Without understanding ANYTHING about immunology, this statement is true: No two Covid infections are the same.
There are a zillion variables involved including viral load and the immediate state of the health of the person each time they're infected as well as surrounding climate, etc. So if even two Covid infections are not the same how can an injection be the same as a covid infection? |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 15:06:37 GMT -8
you have to understand the immunology to understand the logic. You cant have solid logic if you do not understand the parameters. Anyway there's no way we can come to any agreement on this. That's not how logic works to my understanding. Without understanding ANYTHING about immunology, this statement is true: No two Covid infections are the same.
There are a zillion variables involved including viral load and the immediate state of the health of the person each time they're infected as well as surrounding climate, etc. So if even two Covid infections are not the same how can an injection be the same as a covid infection? By that logic stop making assertions about the danger of the vaccine as no two anything are the same so you cannot make blanket statements about dangers. By that logic dont say anything ever about anything as no two are the same. |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 15:11:37 GMT -8
That's not how logic works to my understanding. Without understanding ANYTHING about immunology, this statement is true: No two Covid infections are the same.
There are a zillion variables involved including viral load and the immediate state of the health of the person each time they're infected as well as surrounding climate, etc. So if even two Covid infections are not the same how can an injection be the same as a covid infection? By that logic stop making assertions about the danger of the vaccine as no two anything are the same so you cannot make blanket statements about dangers. By that logic dont say anything ever about anything as no two are the same. Actually, I'm using logic to group like things with like things. It sounds reasonable. We know that every Covid-19 infection is different but we also generally know that it's not harmful to young people or healthy people but more harmful to unhealthy people. We know that every vaccine reaction is different but we also know that it's more harmful to some and less harmful to others. But trying to group the two above groups together together is illogical and sounds unreasonable. We can see the dangers of the vaccines. People are dying from them. We are just disagreeing on the % of injuries but we KNOW it's worse than we were led to believe. And THAT is why they shouldn't be forced on people the way they were. They are POTENTIALLY dangerous and that's enough not to mandate them. |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 15:13:07 GMT -8
We will never come to a meeting of the minds. I disagree with everything you say on this topic.
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 15:17:08 GMT -8
We will never come to a meeting of the minds. I disagree with everything you say on this topic. Well, you did previously agree that they should not have been mandated. So we do have some common ground.  Do you at least agree that they aren't as safe as we were told they were, initially? |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 15:25:20 GMT -8
We will never come to a meeting of the minds. I disagree with everything you say on this topic. Well, you did previously agree that they should not have been mandated. So we do have some common ground. Do you at least agree that they aren't as safe as we were told they were, initially? I kinda go back and forth on the mandate thing. I think they are safe. Aspirin is safe. People can die from aspirin but that doesnt mean you should call aspirin unsafe. |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 15:30:52 GMT -8
Its not up to me to convince you of anything just kind of a bad habit to do that. Likewise I dont think its a great idea that you do it either. Proselytizing is never good. Just make your statement-once-and leave it at that. You dont want to be 'that guy'. If you are right about something in life and people do not want to listen, that is not your responsibility. And in a way you would be denying their freedom to believe as they want.
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 15:47:50 GMT -8
Well, you did previously agree that they should not have been mandated. So we do have some common ground. Do you at least agree that they aren't as safe as we were told they were, initially? I kinda go back and forth on the mandate thing. I think they are safe. Aspirin is safe. People can die from aspirin but that doesnt mean you should call aspirin unsafe. Trudeau recently stated in Canada that "the vaccines may have seriously harmed some people." in an effort to save face and rewrite history...he literally stated he never "forced" anyone when in fact Canada had some of the stricted vaccine mandates in the world. FIRST READING: The evidence against Trudeau's claim he didn't 'force' vaccination
Canada imposed some of the world's strictest vaccine mandates, and maintained them long after they'd ceased making any sense If the vaccines were "safe" why is Canada paying compensation to victims? More than $2.7M paid to 50 claimants of serious injury connected to a vaccine in Canada----------------------------------------- German Ministry of Health openly did a U Turn and apologized they weren't as safe as people were made to believe. German Health Minister Reverses Course on COVID Vaccine Injuries, Says Injured Being Ignored
Germany’s Federal Minister of Health Karl Lauterbach — a former Harvard University adjunct professor — this week admitted that COVID-19 vaccine adverse events are prevalent and that those suffering from severe vaccine injuries are being ignored.---------------------------------------- Scandinavia, the UK, Switzerland, Germany and many other countries have BANNED - literally STOPPED ALLOWING younger and healthy people from getting the Covid-19 vaccines. You can't even get the vaccines if you want them. Japan's Ministry of Health is being grilled by the country's top scientists for still administering the vaccines when they are causing serious harm. This is a complete U Turn from these Government's messaging 2 years ago. I think all of this recent news should be enough of an answer to anyone who thinks the vaccines were "safe" and that Mandates were acceptable. |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 15:58:41 GMT -8
Its not up to me to convince you of anything just kind of a bad habit to do that. Likewise I dont think its a great idea that you do it either. Proselytizing is never good. Just make your statement-once-and leave it at that. You dont want to be 'that guy'. If you are right about something in life and people do not want to listen, that is not your responsibility. And in a way you would be denying their freedom to believe as they want. I am a firm believer in discussing things in a transparent and open manner, down to the last detail. That's how you get to the truth of any matter. If we'd stopped this discussion 2 years ago, none of these news headlines today sharing the discussion on vaccine injuries would have been shared. The ONLY reason we can have the discussion today is because PEOPLE LIKE ME continued to push the discussion. It's no different than the racism and segregation of the 1950s and 1960s against African Americans or the persecution of Jews in the 1930s and 40s in Europe. It was FREEDOM OF DISCUSSION that allowed that door to open for African Americans and Jews and to continue to educate people on how racist the old world was through those discussions. In much the same way, every cause, every societal problem is overcome the same way: Through the general public having open discussions and minds being educated and changed over time through those discussions. Now if someone doesn't want to keep discussing it, that's on them. Not me. |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 16:16:16 GMT -8
Its not up to me to convince you of anything just kind of a bad habit to do that. Likewise I dont think its a great idea that you do it either. Proselytizing is never good. Just make your statement-once-and leave it at that. You dont want to be 'that guy'. If you are right about something in life and people do not want to listen, that is not your responsibility. And in a way you would be denying their freedom to believe as they want. I am a firm believer in discussing things in a transparent and open manner, down to the last detail. That's how you get to the truth of any matter. If we'd stopped this discussion 2 years ago, none of these news headlines today sharing the discussion on vaccine injuries would have been shared. The ONLY reason we can have the discussion today is because PEOPLE LIKE ME continued to push the discussion. It's no different than the racism and segregation of the 1950s and 1960s against African Americans or the persecution of Jews in the 1930s and 40s in Europe. It was FREEDOM OF DISCUSSION that allowed that door to open for African Americans and Jews and to continue to educate people on how racist the old world was through those discussions. In much the same way, every cause, every societal problem is overcome the same way: Through the general public having open discussions and minds being educated and changed over time through those discussions. Now if someone doesn't want to keep discussing it, that's on them. Not me. Have either of us got to 'the truth of the matter' with each other? Have you convinced a single person of your beliefs? There really is no discussion-I'm one of the only ones that ever replies to you about covid. There's discussion and then there's ranting. |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 12, 2023 16:28:52 GMT -8
Now if someone doesn't want to keep discussing it, that's on them. Not me. Have either of us got to 'the truth of the matter' with each other? Have you convinced a single person of your beliefs? There really is no discussion-I'm one of the only ones that ever replies to you about covid. There's discussion and then there's ranting. Kav, most of the World's government's medical professionals are pulling U turns and slowly and quietly admitting the vaccines were not as safe as advertised after stating they were. If THAT'S not enough to get willfully blind people who refuse to admit they were wrong, well that's on them. Not me. But I'm happy I can share that info with anyone who cares, just as I have been doing.  |
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Post by kav on May 12, 2023 16:30:00 GMT -8
Ok I'm exhausted talking about this again and will stop now.
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Post by kav on Jun 14, 2023 16:17:33 GMT -8
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