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Post by vintagecomics on May 10, 2023 16:02:18 GMT -8
Edited my post at the top of the page.  Glad we could find a little common ground.  |
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Post by kav on May 10, 2023 16:03:46 GMT -8
And ps I am not pro mike. I will never return to the boards to be under his thumb again.
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Post by vintagecomics on May 10, 2023 16:07:21 GMT -8
Those are the best type of friends. The challenging part is my liberal friend is a lawyer. In other words, he has been trained to argue. And he's very smart. One trick of attorneys is to attack the meaning of words. Its used in court all the time and especially in appeals. The legal meaning of 'resident' for example can require hours of study of case law. He's won cases by challenging the meaning of a word successfully. That's a very Liberal tactic. They're doing it right now in real time. The Law is not perfect. Like capitalism, it's the only thing we've got that works, though. I learned over 40 years ago that the law is not perfect in church and that stuck with me. The law is a set of bumper bars around society and much like bumper bars in a bowling alley, it's not perfect but it catches MOST of the problems. The real solution is always the same to every problem. Raise better children, have a stronger family unit. When you have strong families and strong communities, you can solve anything. Climate change, world peace, government corruption. Everything. It's literally the root solution to every problem. Without that, everything else is just be a bandaid on the root cause. |
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Post by kav on May 10, 2023 16:10:52 GMT -8
The challenging part is my liberal friend is a lawyer. In other words, he has been trained to argue. And he's very smart. One trick of attorneys is to attack the meaning of words. Its used in court all the time and especially in appeals. The legal meaning of 'resident' for example can require hours of study of case law. He's won cases by challenging the meaning of a word successfully. That's a very Liberal tactic. They're doing it right now in real time. The Law is not perfect. Like capitalism, it's the only thing we've got that works, though. I learned over 40 years ago that the law is not perfect in church and that stuck with me. The law is a set of bumper bars around society and much like bumper bars in a bowling alley, it's not perfect but it catches MOST of the problems. The real solution is always the same to every problem. Raise better children, have a stronger family unit. When you have strong families and strong communities, you can solve anything. Climate change, world peace, government corruption. Everything. It's literally the root solution to every problem. Without that, everything else is just be a bandaid on the root cause. Well liberals do it dishonestly and illogically-lawyers do it based on case law and judicial ruling. Very different. Even conservative lawyers do this. All of them do. |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 10, 2023 16:18:07 GMT -8
That's a very Liberal tactic. Well liberals do it dishonestly and illogically-lawyers do it based on case law and judicial ruling. Very different. Even conservative lawyers do this. All of them do. I understand. It's predominantly a Liberal playbook (and namisidjit's) but in legal circles it's the only way to do your job. I could never be a lawyer and have to defend someone I couldn't believe was innocent. Ever. |
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Post by kav on May 10, 2023 16:19:41 GMT -8
Well liberals do it dishonestly and illogically-lawyers do it based on case law and judicial ruling. Very different. Even conservative lawyers do this. All of them do. I understand. It's predominantly a Liberal playbook (and namisidjit's) but in legal circles it's the only way to do your job. I could never be a lawyer and have to defend someone I couldn't believe was innocent. Ever. Like after much research by the paralegals-who do much of the actual work-lawyer will say "In jones v Smith, a resident is a-" And that will win the case. |
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Post by kav on May 10, 2023 16:21:01 GMT -8
I like to read law books for fun. The ones for paralegals are more extensive, which was surprising to learn.
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Post by kav on May 10, 2023 16:22:06 GMT -8
The main function of law school is to teach people to think like a lawyer. An entirely different way of thinking. Paralegals have to know stuff.
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Post by auntmay on May 11, 2023 17:06:07 GMT -8
This is important because the Covid-19 vaccines have now been conclusively, medically, scientifically and pathologically linked to cardiac arrest and Thomas was both vaccinated and died of cardiac arrest. Germany and Japan Medical authorities have started admitting that the vaccines are not as safe as we were told yesterday at 4:09pm by vintagecomics on yesterday at 4:09pm If you have some info that overturns scientists in Germany who have directly linked vaccines to cardiac arrest, or if any other things I'm rambling about are wrong I am totally and genuinely down to accept that I was wrong. .............................................................................................
-Here is the German paper in question, " Autopsy-based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination". Published: 27 November 2022 by Constantin Schwab, Lisa Maria Domke, Laura Hartmann, Albrecht Stenzinger, Thomas Longerich & Peter Schirmacher in the Journal: Clinical Research in Cardiology.
Autopsy-based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccinationFrom the paper: " Our study is limited by the relatively small cohort size and inherits the bias of an endpoint analysis. The nature of our autopsy study necessitates that the data are descriptive in quality and does not allow any epidemiological conclusions in terms of incidence or risk estimation."
"The reported incidence of (epi-)myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risks of hospitalization and death associated with COVID-19 are stated to be greater than the recorded risk associated with COVID-19 vaccination."
"Finally, we cannot provide a definitive functional proof or a direct causal link between vaccination and myocarditis. Further studies and extended registry are needed to identify persons at risk for this potentially fatal AEFI and may be aided by detailed clinical, serological, and molecular analyses which were beyond the scope of this study." 
...all this hardly sounds like "Covid-19 vaccines have now been conclusively, medically, scientifically and pathologically linked to cardiac arrest".  In fact, the paper itself states that the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risk of death from myocarditis from COVID-19 is greater.  And here is a letter to the Editor regarding this paper: Commentary on: “Autopsy-based histopathological characterization of myocarditis after anti-SARS-CoV-2-vaccination” by C. Schwab et al. "We believe the study has several shortcomings, which undermine the conclusions of the authors regarding the relationship between vaccination and myocardial inflammation". "We furthermore disagree with the author’s diagnosis and interpretation of (epi)myocarditis". "Overall, Schwab et al. appears to over-interpret myocardial inflammatory cells as myocarditis, and over-interpret the significance of their histological findings for the cause of death. As such, we believe that their findings are not necessarily representative of vaccine-induced myocarditis and are more likely to be incidental inflammation commonly seen in post-mortem examination".Amazing how things change when you read the paper itself rather than listen to Facebook or Twitter or Joe Rogan or Ron DeSantis.  I gotta go now. Petey needs his wheatcakes.
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Post by vintagecomics on May 11, 2023 19:09:04 GMT -8
This is important because the Covid-19 vaccines have now been conclusively, medically, scientifically and pathologically linked to cardiac arrest and Thomas was both vaccinated and died of cardiac arrest. Germany and Japan Medical authorities have started admitting that the vaccines are not as safe as we were told A) From the paper: " Our study is limited by the relatively small cohort size and inherits the bias of an endpoint analysis. The nature of our autopsy study necessitates that the data are descriptive in quality and does not allow any epidemiological conclusions in terms of incidence or risk estimation."
-------------------------------------------------------------B) In fact, the paper itself states that the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risk of death from myocarditis from COVID-19 is greater. ---------------------------------------------C) Amazing how things change when you read the paper itself rather than listen to Facebook or Twitter or Joe Rogan or Ron DeSantis. A) Interesting point, and here's why: The entire pandemic response decision making process was based on WEAK STUDIES AND WEAK DATA. i) Why restaurants STOPPED serving indoors? Weak study out of Korea with a dozen or so people and 2 or 3 catching Covid, showing how Covid 'spread' through a restaurant. But even though they could never prove the people caught Covid in the restaurant, restaurants around the world shut down. ii) Pfizer's phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials were SO WEAK that they are now discovering that the vaccines were MUCH more dangerous than people were led to believe and they were MUCH LESS effective than we were led to believe....and yet I don't see you tearing apart the Pfizer Phase 3 trials even though they are borderline fraud. Further, Pfizer only had 9 of their 143 clinics used for Phase 3 trials audited by the FDA. The FDA was supposed to audit ALL OF THEM but left 134 clinics UN-AUDITED. And we know at least ONE CLINIC had corrupted data from a whistelblower so who knows how many other trials were corrupted. I can go on but it's easy to see that there was a LOT of corruption and use of bad data from both sides. THAT is why GERMANY'S MINISTER OF HEALTH OPENLY APOLOGIZED TO THE PEOPLE OF GERMANY FOR TELLING THEM THAT THE VACCINE WAS SAFE WHEN IT WASN'T. Or does that not count?  Cry me a river about bad data.  ----------------------------------------------------------------- B) This is a very important point - You need to stratify the data on risk because the risks are NOT the same for all patients, so which COHORT does the greatest risk apply to? ----------------------------------------------------------------- C) What is amazing is how condescending people can be without having an actual discussion. I have ZERO problem being wrong. I prefer being wrong so I can learn. But many people can't debate effectively, can't let go of their biases, can't let go of their belief systems if they are wrong. And ultimately the ONLY way to get to a truth is through open discussion...which would benefit EVERYONE. I've passed this paper to several medical doctors and some feel there is some merit, some feel it's a limited study and some have not answered back. But not one of them told me that the vaccines carry no risk...nor could they, since one of their partners almost died from a vaccine injury with massive organ failure and are still in recovery 2 years later. So tell me again how safe these papers say the vaccines are?  |
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Post by kav on May 11, 2023 19:39:31 GMT -8
A) From the paper: " Our study is limited by the relatively small cohort size and inherits the bias of an endpoint analysis. The nature of our autopsy study necessitates that the data are descriptive in quality and does not allow any epidemiological conclusions in terms of incidence or risk estimation."
-------------------------------------------------------------B) In fact, the paper itself states that the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is low and the risk of death from myocarditis from COVID-19 is greater. ---------------------------------------------C) Amazing how things change when you read the paper itself rather than listen to Facebook or Twitter or Joe Rogan or Ron DeSantis. A) Interesting point, and here's why: The entire pandemic response decision making process was based on WEAK STUDIES AND WEAK DATA. i) Why restaurants STOPPED serving indoors? Weak study out of Korea with a dozen or so people and 2 or 3 catching Covid, showing how Covid 'spread' through a restaurant. But even though they could never prove the people caught Covid in the restaurant, restaurants around the world shut down. ii) Pfizer's phase 3 Covid-19 vaccine trials were SO WEAK that they are now discovering that the vaccines were MUCH more dangerous than people were led to believe and they were MUCH LESS effective than we were led to believe....and yet I don't see you tearing apart the Pfizer Phase 3 trials even though they are borderline fraud. Further, Pfizer only had 9 of their 143 clinics used for Phase 3 trials audited by the FDA. The FDA was supposed to audit ALL OF THEM but left 134 clinics UN-AUDITED. And we know at least ONE CLINIC had corrupted data from a whistelblower so who knows how many other trials were corrupted. I can go on but it's easy to see that there was a LOT of corruption and use of bad data from both sides. THAT is why GERMANY'S MINISTER OF HEALTH OPENLY APOLOGIZED TO THE PEOPLE OF GERMANY FOR TELLING THEM THAT THE VACCINE WAS SAFE WHEN IT WASN'T. Or does that not count?  Cry me a river about bad data. ----------------------------------------------------------------- B) This is a very important point - You need to stratify the data on risk because the risks are NOT the same for all patients, so which COHORT does the greatest risk apply to? ----------------------------------------------------------------- C) What is amazing is how condescending people can be without having an actual discussion. I have ZERO problem being wrong. I prefer being wrong so I can learn. But many people can't debate effectively, can't let go of their biases, can't let go of their belief systems if they are wrong. And ultimately the ONLY way to get to a truth is through open discussion...which would benefit EVERYONE. I've passed this paper to several medical doctors and some feel there is some merit, some feel it's a limited study and some have not answered back. But not one of them told me that the vaccines carry no risk...nor could they, since one of their partners almost died from a vaccine injury with massive organ failure and are still in recovery 2 years later. So tell me again how safe these papers say the vaccines are?  You know SEVERAL medical doctors that have the time and inclination to read random papers given to them then get back to you with feedback? I find this very hard to swallow. Medical doctors take one immunology course-they know more than most but are not immunologists. |
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Post by kav on May 11, 2023 19:43:25 GMT -8
I cant think of any medicine or procedure that carries no risk-not even aspirin. What do you want from vaccines-perfection not attainable in any other medical practice?
If the vaccine carries a risk its the SAME risk as GETTING covid-the protein is EXACTLY the same-plus now you got covid.
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Post by vintagecomics on May 11, 2023 19:58:10 GMT -8
I've passed this paper to several medical doctors and some feel there is some merit, some feel it's a limited study and some have not answered back. But not one of them told me that the vaccines carry no risk...nor could they, since one of their partners almost died from a vaccine injury with massive organ failure and are still in recovery 2 years later. So tell me again how safe these papers say the vaccines are? You know SEVERAL medical doctors that have the time and inclination to read random papers given to them then get back to you with feedback? I find this very hard to swallow. Medical doctors take one immunology course-they know more than most but are not immunologists. I know several CGC board members that are MDs. You do too. I have an open communication with several of them and one is actually considered a close friend. I also know several doctors (and one is a friend) outside of comics. Why is it so hard to believe?  ? |
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Post by vintagecomics on May 11, 2023 20:00:57 GMT -8
I cant think of any medicine or procedure that carries no risk-not even aspirin. What do you want from vaccines-perfection not attainable in any other medical practice? If the vaccine carries a risk its the SAME risk as GETTING covid-the protein is EXACTLY the same-plus now you got covid. It CAN NOT be the same risk. Even the noob above (which is obviously a CGC board member in disguise) just stated that the risk is not the same. How can the risk be the same if a) the spike protein enters the body differently (directly into blood stream vs through breathing organs) b) the rest of the virus is NOT there in the vaccine but IS there with the virus c) the body deals with only a PART of the SPIKE protein with the vaccine as opposed to the ENTIRE spike protein with the virus Literally EVERYTHING about the vaccine is different than the virus, so how can the two have the same reaction in the body when everything about their interaction is different? This makes NO logical sense. |
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Post by kav on May 11, 2023 20:46:08 GMT -8
I cant think of any medicine or procedure that carries no risk-not even aspirin. What do you want from vaccines-perfection not attainable in any other medical practice? If the vaccine carries a risk its the SAME risk as GETTING covid-the protein is EXACTLY the same-plus now you got covid. It CAN NOT be the same risk. Even the noob above (which is obviously a CGC board member in disguise) just stated that the risk is not the same. How can the risk be the same if a) the spike protein enters the body differently (directly into blood stream vs through breathing organs) b) the rest of the virus is NOT there in the vaccine but IS there with the virus c) the body deals with only a PART of the SPIKE protein with the vaccine as opposed to the ENTIRE spike protein with the virus Literally EVERYTHING about the vaccine is different than the virus, so how can the two have the same reaction in the body when everything about their interaction is different? This makes NO logical sense. I would have to explain a lot of immunology here, some of which I've already explained in the past and I'm just not up for it. You are just wrong and have a very incomplete understanding of viral biology, immune system and chemistry in general. |
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