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Post by kav on Feb 23, 2023 12:27:23 GMT -8
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Post by jcjames on Feb 23, 2023 12:37:06 GMT -8
Really? You continue to skip an honest question? What choice did Gianna Jessen or Claire Culwell or the other thousands of abortion-survivors have? If you are pro-choice - please answer what choice they had? And more important - why, if you are pro-choice, why won't you defend the choice that the unborn are never given? Instead you throw out veiled insults and tropes and strawman hashtags. I threw out the strawman? You conflated abortion to slavery. STOP trying to control other peoples lives. It's NONE of your business if someone decides to get an abortion, a sex change operation or legally marry their same sex partner. Worry about your own backyard, hypocrite. Innocent life is innocent life - not to be killed or abused simply because one has the power to do so! Exerting force over someone who has no choice, whether it is to kill or abuse, is not "pro-choice". It is "pro-force". Exerting the power to kill innocent life is not "freedom". It is simply killing innocent life. You refuse to discuss important issues, but instead continue to throw out insults and dodge genuine questions. Have a good day. |
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Post by kav on Feb 23, 2023 12:39:54 GMT -8
yep I'm out too-arguin with libs is fun but pointless.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:46:04 GMT -8
So if a person has a fatal illness, they can be murdered whether they understand or agree to it or not. Got it. This is starting to unfold in Canada. MAID is going to be legislated so that the mentally ill can choose death. The poor can choose death. It's creepy and terrifying. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:48:26 GMT -8
Sexual gratification, and personal convenience became of greater value than the life of an innocent child. Other cultures in other times did similar things - sacrifice children (actually torture them first to collect their tears) for the gratification and convenience of those who had power over them. We are at this stage in society now. We are sacrificing children from society for the betterment of society. Full stop. We are literally doing it. Funny how things repeat themselves. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:50:09 GMT -8
Wow, you really went there didn't you  Interesting how you conflate a woman's right to choose with a people who had NO choice. Congratulations. Your logic tree is broken. Again. The child and the slave have the same choices and freedoms. To put it in crayon, they have none.  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:51:16 GMT -8
The only reason people "owned" slaves is that they convinced themselves that the person they "owned" wasn't quite fully human, not quite as human as they were. They had many reasons to convince themselves that slaves weren't as human as THEY were, that slaves didn't quite deserve the same human dignity that THEY claimed for themselves. And so it goes with all sorts of human atrocities, from slavery to genocide to abortion to aztec child sacrifice to common-day rape and murder. First dehumanize that which you have power over, then you can do any inhuman acts on it that you want. Serial killers admit the same mentality - dehumanize the victim and it makes it so much easier to mutilate and murder. ETA: grammar Which is EXACTLY what they did when they went after the unjabbed. Amazing how it repeats itself. |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 23, 2023 12:51:22 GMT -8
yep I'm out too-arguin with libs is fun but pointless. I will hold out hope that there may be some who will give some thought to the questions I'm genuinely asking: Defend human life - yes I went there.
Why won't you?
Pro-choice? What choice was Gianna Jessen given when she was aborted?
Or Claire Culwell when she was aborted?
Or the thousands of other humans alive today who were aborted yet survived their attempted murder?
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:52:53 GMT -8
We can have a philosophical debate on if abortion is murder. I do not consider it murder and you do. In the US it is still legal in most states and will likely continue long after we are both gone. Hey, maybe you can join up with MTG and be part of the national divorce. Conflating a woman's right to choose with slaves who had ZERO right to choose is ridiculous but I'm not surprised at all that I'm the only one calling you out on that here. You never answered my gun control / universal healthcare question and I don't expect you to. said it well. You quoted and then just skipped over my questions to you in order to then pose your own about gun control and healthcare. Then you skipped them again, so I repeated and bolded them. Then you skipped them yet again to repeat your questions about gun control and healthcare. This is the Liberal way. No logic. Just power through public opinion. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:54:24 GMT -8
How did I change the subject? You conflated a woman's right to choose with US slavery, effectively changing the subject. I went along with it and since you're a "defender of life" I assumed you weren't the typical R and actually care about human beings after they're born and not just before. You know..."thoughts and prayers" and "bootstraps", right? You're trying to equate everything politically. It doesn't work that way. Stick to the subject at hand and either bring a logical point or concede that you don't have one. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 23, 2023 13:35:56 GMT -8
I threw out the strawman? You conflated abortion to slavery. STOP trying to control other peoples lives. It's NONE of your business if someone decides to get an abortion, a sex change operation or legally marry their same sex partner. Worry about your own backyard, hypocrite. Innocent life is innocent life - not to be killed or abused simply because one has the power to do so! Exerting force over someone who has no choice, whether it is to kill or abuse, is not "pro-choice". It is "pro-force". Exerting the power to kill innocent life is not "freedom". It is simply killing innocent life. You refuse to discuss important issues, but instead continue to throw out insults and dodge genuine questions. Have a good day. The last 50 years must have murder for you. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 23, 2023 13:40:57 GMT -8
How did I change the subject? You conflated a woman's right to choose with US slavery, effectively changing the subject. I went along with it and since you're a "defender of life" I assumed you weren't the typical R and actually care about human beings after they're born and not just before. You know..."thoughts and prayers" and "bootstraps", right? You're trying to equate everything politically. It doesn't work that way. Stick to the subject at hand and either bring a logical point or concede that you don't have one. I do not believe abortion is murder, if you do that's your choice ( key word ). If you don't want an abortion, don't get one...is that not a logical point? How was him saying if I don't want a slave, don't own one germane to that conversation or at all appropriate. I always find it funny when people refer to you as a hippie, I always correct them that you're as far away from a hippie as one can be and that just having long hair doesn't make someone a hippie. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 23, 2023 13:42:03 GMT -8
kav said it well. You quoted and then just skipped over my questions to you in order to then pose your own about gun control and healthcare. Then you skipped them again, so I repeated and bolded them. Then you skipped them yet again to repeat your questions about gun control and healthcare. This is the Liberal way. No logic. Just power through public opinion. Give me some time to find some "evidence" on rumble or truth social. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 23, 2023 13:44:00 GMT -8
The only reason people "owned" slaves is that they convinced themselves that the person they "owned" wasn't quite fully human, not quite as human as they were. They had many reasons to convince themselves that slaves weren't as human as THEY were, that slaves didn't quite deserve the same human dignity that THEY claimed for themselves. And so it goes with all sorts of human atrocities, from slavery to genocide to abortion to aztec child sacrifice to common-day rape and murder. First dehumanize that which you have power over, then you can do any inhuman acts on it that you want. Serial killers admit the same mentality - dehumanize the victim and it makes it so much easier to mutilate and murder. ETA: grammar Which is EXACTLY what they did when they went after the unjabbed. Amazing how it repeats itself. Now you're conflating slavery with vaccines. Congratulations. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 16:00:41 GMT -8
I threw out the strawman? You conflated abortion to slavery. STOP trying to control other peoples lives. It's NONE of your business if someone decides to get an abortion, a sex change operation or legally marry their same sex partner. Worry about your own backyard, hypocrite. Why don't we talk about what conservatives do then? Aside from being the party of hate and intolerance. Your arguments are extremely short sighted because you keep arguing RELATIVE things like politics. The left were something completely different 50 years ago as was the right. You were considered a "leftie" if you were anti-establishment. Now you're considered a "rightie" if you're anti-establishment.  You need to argue facts and not politics. Nobody takes you seriously otherwise. |
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