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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 18:15:40 GMT -8
Zod here. Perplexed again. Conservatives oppose the rights of strangers to make the most personal of decisions, and ones which monumentally affect these strangers lives. Why do conservatives seek to control and potentially destroy the lives of people that are complete strangers to them? This strikes Zod as insane or evil. Perhaps both. In the case of both abortion AND birth control, conservatives seek to dictate to others what they may and may not do. This is happening in Texas: www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/teen-birth-control-ruling-appealed-biden-administration-1234681950/If a teen girl is being raped by her father, this can create a nightmare for her in the Lone Star State. In Texas, her rapist could decide not only whether she can access an abortion, but whether she can access birth control to prevent pregnancy. Does any conservative possess the decency to address this issue, or is power over strangers at any cost the end game? When even Zod is appalled, conservatives should be consumed with shame. NO COVID DISCUSSION POR FAVOR. |
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Post by kav on Feb 21, 2023 18:17:08 GMT -8
3 doses of vaccine is recommended.
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 21:22:49 GMT -8
... If a teen girl is being raped by her father, this can create a nightmare for her in the Lone Star State. ... I think she already is experiencing a nightmare. It is noble to want to help teens who are raped by their father (or anyone). 1. Stop the raping. 2. Help the child. And her child. |
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Post by kav on Feb 21, 2023 21:27:44 GMT -8
... If a teen girl is being raped by her father, this can create a nightmare for her in the Lone Star State. ... I think she already is experiencing a nightmare. It is noble to want to help teens who are raped by their father (or anyone). 1. Stop the raping. 2. Help the child. And her child. 3. Stop using rare unfortunate situations to condemn an entire class of people. Using misfortune as fodder for political gotchas. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:05:34 GMT -8
... If a teen girl is being raped by her father, this can create a nightmare for her in the Lone Star State. ... I think she already is experiencing a nightmare. It is noble to want to help teens who are raped by their father (or anyone). 1. Stop the raping. 2. Help the child. And her child. You're correct. Zod thought of altering his post to reflect this; her nightmare is compounded as outlined. While it shouldn't be necessary to say this, Zod wishes to thank you for being one of the few conservatives here who has replied to a serious issue with integrity.  What are your thoughts on the conservative desire to control the lives of those around them? Does this not conflict with the core conservative commitment to personal freedom? |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 23:01:11 GMT -8
I think she already is experiencing a nightmare. It is noble to want to help teens who are raped by their father (or anyone). 1. Stop the raping. 2. Help the child. And her child. You're correct. Zod thought of altering his post to reflect this; her nightmare is compounded as outlined. While it shouldn't be necessary to say this, Zod wishes to thank you for being one of the few conservatives here who has replied to a serious issue with integrity. What are your thoughts on the conservative desire to control the lives of those around them? Does this not conflict with the core conservative commitment to personal freedom? Personal freedom has limits. It can't be my personal freedom to hunt down and kill the father who raped his daughter. Killing for revenge, or killing for convenience is not "freedom". |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 23:08:26 GMT -8
You're correct. Zod thought of altering his post to reflect this; her nightmare is compounded as outlined. While it shouldn't be necessary to say this, Zod wishes to thank you for being one of the few conservatives here who has replied to a serious issue with integrity. What are your thoughts on the conservative desire to control the lives of those around them? Does this not conflict with the core conservative commitment to personal freedom? Personal freedom has limits. It can't be my personal freedom to hunt down and kill the father who raped his daughter. Killing for revenge, or killing for convenience is not "freedom". Agreed, but what about the issue I've raised in the OP? While abortion is an unstoppable force/immovable object debate proposition, do you support conservative attacks on birth control? If so, do you see that this guts the personal freedoms of others, almost all of whom are not within your right to control? How do such attempts to control the freedom of strangers square with conservative support for liberty? |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 23:25:37 GMT -8
Personal freedom has limits. It can't be my personal freedom to hunt down and kill the father who raped his daughter. Killing for revenge, or killing for convenience is not "freedom". Agreed, but what about the issue I've raised in the OP? While abortion is an unstoppable force/immovable object debate proposition, do you support conservative attacks on birth control? If so, do you see that this guts the personal freedoms of others, almost all of whom are not within your right to control? How do such attempts to control the freedom of strangers square with conservative support for liberty? Through legislation, I don't think it's the most effective or best way to reduce contraceptive use. There may come future developments which would warrant a more legislative approach though - purely hypothetical here, but, if future scientific findings indicated far longer lasting and detrimental effects of prolonged contraceptive pill use by women on the development of later children. Suppose maybe in the future it is demonstrated that longterm use of the pill increases autism, homosexuality, future suicidal ideation, bipolar or some other affliction/disorder in later children conceived after stopping the pill... legislation could be warranted. But teaching society that it has the freedom to use the pill should be countered with teaching society what exactly that means with regards to disconnecting sexual gratification between two adults with the natural and good consequence of creating children, and thus creating families. And by "teaching" I don't necessarily mean in formal public schools. More like showing through mediums of cultural and social means. Just like I wouldn't want the state to criminalize adultery or divorce, one can easily see that rampant adultery and divorce does have negative effects on society as whole as well as personal relationships. So the balance should be to not glamorize or reward adultery and divorce rather than get out the legislative ban-hammer. |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Feb 22, 2023 7:34:13 GMT -8
Did I read this correctly, we are in support of that teen girl carrying the child (up to 9 months) till delivery instead of her being allowed to get rid of it?
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Feb 22, 2023 8:19:46 GMT -8
Did I read this correctly, we are in support of that teen girl carrying the child (up to 9 months) till delivery instead of her being allowed to get rid of it?
I'm not. I can only assume that you're feigning ignorance of the abortion-condemning crowd.
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Post by jsilverjanet on Feb 22, 2023 9:45:45 GMT -8
2. Help the child. And her child.
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 22, 2023 11:41:48 GMT -8
The old saw about the right not giving a damn about people except before they're born is on full display in this thread. "Thoughts and prayers" "bootstraps"  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 22, 2023 11:57:57 GMT -8
The old saw about the right not giving a damn about people except before they're born is on full display in this thread. "Thoughts and prayers" "bootstraps" ^ Political baiting. |
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Post by kav on Feb 22, 2023 15:56:14 GMT -8
Liberals:  |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Feb 22, 2023 16:09:56 GMT -8
Florida couple unable to get abortion will see baby die after delivery
Doctors’ interpretation of state law prevents procedure, family tells Washington Post, despite baby’s fatal illness
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