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Post by kav on Feb 10, 2023 18:49:38 GMT -8
QC is not Logan and him and janet despise one another. Noted. Thanks again for clarifying.  Do you have any idea which boardie QC is? nope. |
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Post by kav on Feb 10, 2023 18:51:56 GMT -8
some people have very distinctive posting styles and stand out like a sore thumb. I can almost always tell who is posting in the shoutbox due to this. they also slip up and reference things only one person would know at times from PMs and whatnot. I'm pretty good at this-I can tell like robert b parker from michael connelly from a single short paragraph for example.
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Post by steveinthecity on Feb 11, 2023 7:12:13 GMT -8
I'll try to find those links. Great.  BTW, tried searching the CGC forum. The CGC forum doesn't allow for searches before 3 years so I can't find them. I even adjusted the dates and that did not turn anything up. I think CGC has eliminated older searches to speed up the forum (and possibly to bury past discussions). It’s a lot to wade through, but there’s likely relevant info in this “pinned” post started by Dice: boards.cgccomics.com/topic/24774-qa-comic-production-flaws/If there’s specific threads you’re looking for I’ll give an effort to hunt them down. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 11, 2023 15:58:53 GMT -8
some people have very distinctive posting styles and stand out like a sore thumb. I can almost always tell who is posting in the shoutbox due to this. they also slip up and reference things only one person would know at times from PMs and whatnot. I'm pretty good at this-I can tell like robert b parker from michael connelly from a single short paragraph for example. I don't know about Axe Elf. I read a lot of his posts on the CGC forum and zod doesn't sound anything like him. On the other hand there are a TON of clues that lead me to believe it's CG/PN. I'm still leaning towards CG/PN but will keep your thoughts in mind. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 11, 2023 16:08:10 GMT -8
BTW, tried searching the CGC forum. The CGC forum doesn't allow for searches before 3 years so I can't find them. I even adjusted the dates and that did not turn anything up. I think CGC has eliminated older searches to speed up the forum (and possibly to bury past discussions). It’s a lot to wade through, but there’s likely relevant info in this “pinned” post started by Dice: boards.cgccomics.com/topic/24774-qa-comic-production-flaws/If there’s specific threads you’re looking for I’ll give an effort to hunt them down. Thanks, Steve! Much appreciated! I read that thread many years ago. Dice certainly knew his stuff and as I said, this was from his personal experiences actually working in a magazine plant. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 11, 2023 16:18:44 GMT -8
And here you have it: boards.cgccomics.com/topic/24774-qa-comic-production-flaws/?do=findComment&comment=457487------------------------------- From the page: If you have a local printer near you with a bindery, I suggest you call them up and ask for a tour. Most printers have regular tours and are proud to show you an overview of the craft. The body pages and covers are printed separately (obviously). Each untrimmed section of the book is then fed into a pocket in the binder. The pages are folded down the spine, but are made up of 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, or even 32 individual pages in each section. (They can be up to 128 pages in certain presses and formats.) Note that each section must be divisible by 4. One sheet folded in half to create four pages (front and back). The pages are delivered on the press that will stack and prefold the sections of the book. Back to the binder... Each untrimmed section is loaded into a "pocket" on the binder. The binder has a long chain with a tooth on it that grabs one section of the book from each pocket and stacks them inside one another. When it gets to the end, it gets "stitched" (stapled). Then it goes into the trimmer. The trimmer cuts the book on the top, bottom, and face. Then it stacks a predetermined number of books and straps (or shrinkwraps) the bundle to be put on a skid and shipped out to distributors. The size of the book is easily changed by the operator. If he notices during the run that an element of the book is getting trimmed off, he can trim it slightly larger to prevent text (or whatever) from getting cut off. If he (or she) notices that a page that should bleed off the sides is showing a little strip of white, it can be trimmed slightly smaller. Binders have quite a size range that they can trim. Ours trim books from 6"x10" up to 10"x16". I think the idea that books are cut before they are assembled comes from the fact that the covers are sometimes slightly larger than the body pages. This is actually caused from the newsprint that comics used to be printed on. See...the paper has just gone through the printing press that uses ink and water to transfer the print to the page. The water ("etch" or "fountain solution") causes the paper to shrink. It usually doesn't stop shrinking until the book has been bound. The paper used for the cover is much higher quality, and thus does not shrink as much as the newsprint used on the inside. So what you end up with is a cover that is slightly larger than the body pages. Even though the book was evenly trimmed when it was bound. And there you have it. Binding 101. |
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Post by kav on Feb 11, 2023 16:38:11 GMT -8
It makes sense to think that helping others with their work will make everyone’s lives easier. However, in Japan, helping someone out is seen as seeking their job. This is relevant, particularly at work. Be cordial, but cautious as well.
According to the custom, pointing in a certain direction is considered a threat in Japan. It is recommended to give someone asking for directions who is new to the nation your full hand or use words. Never point the way; always show the way.
In Japan, leaving a gratuity can be viewed as both impolite and demeaning. Respect, hard labor, and dignity are important to Japanese society. As a result, it is not unusual to see someone chasing after another person to return a gratuity.
Conversations among friends or coworkers frequently touch on subjects that one may find delicate or unsettling. In other parts of the world, the customary course of action in this circumstance is to confront it head-on or completely withdraw from the discourse. However, the method is very different in Japan. In order to prevent conflict, Japanese people typically speak in an oblique manner in this situation. It could be challenging for a foreigner to employ this strategy. In a disguised speech, hints are given to indicate one’s feelings on the subject.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 11, 2023 16:52:02 GMT -8
It makes sense to think that helping others with their work will make everyone’s lives easier. However, in Japan, helping someone out is seen as seeking their job. This is relevant, particularly at work. Be cordial, but cautious as well. According to the custom, pointing in a certain direction is considered a threat in Japan. It is recommended to give someone asking for directions who is new to the nation your full hand or use words. Never point the way; always show the way. In Japan, leaving a gratuity can be viewed as both impolite and demeaning. Respect, hard labor, and dignity are important to Japanese society. As a result, it is not unusual to see someone chasing after another person to return a gratuity. Conversations among friends or coworkers frequently touch on subjects that one may find delicate or unsettling. In other parts of the world, the customary course of action in this circumstance is to confront it head-on or completely withdraw from the discourse. However, the method is very different in Japan. In order to prevent conflict, Japanese people typically speak in an oblique manner in this situation. It could be challenging for a foreigner to employ this strategy. In a disguised speech, hints are given to indicate one’s feelings on the subject. Interesting. I agree with most of this, although being too polite can be just as problematic as not being polite enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 0:49:31 GMT -8
No such proof exists for all comics from the early 30s through the early 70s (thus including the Silver Age), so your question is irrelevant. How can you definitively know this?  I'm stating that it does. I have it (I'm being serious, not facetious). I will show it. Once I show it will you admit you were wrong? How can you definitively know this? If you have proof, please present it.
I'm stating that it does. I have it (I'm being serious, not facetious). Great!
Zod is among many in the hobby who would LOVE to see this heretofore hidden information.I will show it. Zod is delighted, and awaits this anxiously. Once I show it will you admit you were wrong? Zod will go you one better.
In the incredibly unlikely event you present proof of how every comic book publisher between 1933 and 1973 printed each of its comic book titles from year to year, Zod will donate $100 dollars to St. Jude as well as apologize.
Will you make the same donation/apology when this proof is not forthcoming?
Please take until Sunday February 19th at 6pm EST to present this proof you claim to possess.
Zod thanks you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 0:52:04 GMT -8
I'll try to find those links. Great. BTW, tried searching the CGC forum. The CGC forum doesn't allow for searches before 3 years so I can't find them. I even adjusted the dates and that did not turn anything up. I think CGC has eliminated older searches to speed up the forum (and possibly to bury past discussions). Discussions more than 3 years old can easily be accessed if properly searched. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 1:02:17 GMT -8
BTW, tried searching the CGC forum. The CGC forum doesn't allow for searches before 3 years so I can't find them. I even adjusted the dates and that did not turn anything up. I think CGC has eliminated older searches to speed up the forum (and possibly to bury past discussions). It’s a lot to wade through, but there’s likely relevant info in this “pinned” post started by Dice: boards.cgccomics.com/topic/24774-qa-comic-production-flaws/If there’s specific threads you’re looking for I’ll give an effort to hunt them down. Thank you for posting this, Steve. It's one of several sources of speculation/information on how some comic books may have been printed by some publishers at certain times, but sadly, information on the history of comic book printing from 1933 through the early 70s is all but nonexistent. If you think the lack of information about all too many artists and writers is sorely lacking for much of this period...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 1:06:58 GMT -8
Thanks, Steve! Much appreciated! I read that thread many years ago. Dice certainly knew his stuff and as I said, this was from his personal experiences actually working in a magazine plant. Dice would have had to work in numerous printing facilities simultaneously to possess the information we seek, and in addition, would need to be 100+ years old at this point. While interesting and much appreciated, his point of view is not remotely definitive in terms of comic book printing from 1933 to 1973. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 1:10:12 GMT -8
And here you have it: boards.cgccomics.com/topic/24774-qa-comic-production-flaws/?do=findComment&comment=457487------------------------------- From the page: If you have a local printer near you with a bindery, I suggest you call them up and ask for a tour. Most printers have regular tours and are proud to show you an overview of the craft. The body pages and covers are printed separately (obviously). Each untrimmed section of the book is then fed into a pocket in the binder. The pages are folded down the spine, but are made up of 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, 24, 28, or even 32 individual pages in each section. (They can be up to 128 pages in certain presses and formats.) Note that each section must be divisible by 4. One sheet folded in half to create four pages (front and back). The pages are delivered on the press that will stack and prefold the sections of the book. Back to the binder... Each untrimmed section is loaded into a "pocket" on the binder. The binder has a long chain with a tooth on it that grabs one section of the book from each pocket and stacks them inside one another. When it gets to the end, it gets "stitched" (stapled). Then it goes into the trimmer. The trimmer cuts the book on the top, bottom, and face. Then it stacks a predetermined number of books and straps (or shrinkwraps) the bundle to be put on a skid and shipped out to distributors. The size of the book is easily changed by the operator. If he notices during the run that an element of the book is getting trimmed off, he can trim it slightly larger to prevent text (or whatever) from getting cut off. If he (or she) notices that a page that should bleed off the sides is showing a little strip of white, it can be trimmed slightly smaller. Binders have quite a size range that they can trim. Ours trim books from 6"x10" up to 10"x16". I think the idea that books are cut before they are assembled comes from the fact that the covers are sometimes slightly larger than the body pages. This is actually caused from the newsprint that comics used to be printed on. See...the paper has just gone through the printing press that uses ink and water to transfer the print to the page. The water ("etch" or "fountain solution") causes the paper to shrink. It usually doesn't stop shrinking until the book has been bound. The paper used for the cover is much higher quality, and thus does not shrink as much as the newsprint used on the inside. So what you end up with is a cover that is slightly larger than the body pages. Even though the book was evenly trimmed when it was bound. And there you have it. Binding 101. Not remotely definitive (as previously noted), but appreciated. Zod fears the history of comic book printing for its first 40 years is forever lost. |
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Post by kav on Feb 12, 2023 11:46:16 GMT -8
All animals have some diet they eat-like cows eat grass. If you put fried chicken in front of em-nuthin. Cats eat meat. They dont eat rocks. Now SHARKS-those f*****s will eat ANYTHING. Sharks have been found with scuba tanks, anchors, shoes-anything you can imagine in they gut. How the f*** did they not manage to go extinct?  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2023 14:17:12 GMT -8
Thanks, Steve! Much appreciated! I read that thread many years ago. Dice certainly knew his stuff and as I said, this was from his personal experiences actually working in a magazine plant. Dice would have had to work in numerous printing facilities simultaneously to possess the information we seek, and in addition, would need to be 100+ years old at this point. While interesting and much appreciated, his point of view is not remotely definitive in terms of comic book printing from 1933 to 1973. Not true. The printing process was standardized for a VERY long time. You don't build a wheel and then use a square at times just for the heck of it. If the wheel works you continue using it. But this entire disagreement stems from you initially stating that comics weren't trimmed on all sides AFTER being folded and stapled IIRC and I'm going to show you why you're wrong. |
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