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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 17:42:47 GMT -8
And yes, to my knowledge ALL comics were printed the same way. "To my knowledge" is not remotely close to a standard of proof.
Little to nothing is known about comic book printing from the early 30s through the early 70s.
If you don't understand how wildly distant you are from providing proof or a logical argument...
 DiceX worked at the printing plant in Sparta, Illinois. Sparta printed MOST of the comics coming to market in the late GA, Atomic and SA and BA eras. They were so proficient at printing that they nicknamed the town Magazineland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta,_Illinois He documented the printing process in detail from working there and he was very clear. They did not use one method at one plant while another press/ plant used another method. This would have been ridiculous. They had a standardized, efficient and most cost effective method that ALL plants used. The printing process DID NOT CHANGE. All comics and magazines, WITH RARE EXCEPTION (like the one I just posted above) were printed exactly the same way for decades. I've already offered one proof that contradicted my own claim but it was a rare, isolated case and not the norm but can't think of any others right now. So again, a few questions since the topic is getting muddled: 1) What exactly and specifically are you disagreeing with me on? 2) Do you have ANY examples or proofs that contradict my claims? DiceX worked at the printing plant in Sparta, Illinois. Sparta printed MOST of the comics coming to market in the late GA, Atomic and SA and BA eras. They were so proficient at printing that they nicknamed the town Magazineland. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta,_Illinois He documented the printing process in detail from working there and he was very clear. Link to DiceX's evidence?They did not use one method at one plant while another press/ plant used another method. This would have been ridiculous. Do you have evidence of any of this?They had a standardized, efficient and most cost effective method that ALL plants used. See above.The printing process DID NOT CHANGE. All comics and magazines, WITH RARE EXCEPTION (like the one I just posted above) were printed exactly the same way for decades. See above.I've already offered one proof that contradicted my own claim but it was a rare, isolated case and not the norm but can't think of any others right now. You made dubious claims about post-SA books; nothing more.
So again, a few questions since the topic is getting muddled: It was muddled from the get, Vin.
1) What exactly and specifically are you disagreeing with me on? I'm asking for proof of your claims; you've provided none.2) Do you have ANY examples or proofs that contradict my claims? Illogical.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 17:49:40 GMT -8
DiceX worked at the printing plant in Sparta, Illinois. You can search the CGC forums for Dice's proof.  Isn't that how you replied to me when I asked for specific links to a topic we were discussing? I'll try to find those links. I'm just pointing out that you never show your proof no matter what the circumstances. Much like Chuck Gower / Prince Namor. Come to think of it, you guys do have a VERY similar writing style, you format your replies the same way and you use the same type of logic. Interesting.  If I show proof that comics were trimmed on all sides AFTER covers aware attached, will you acknowledge you were wrong? |
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Post by kav on Feb 10, 2023 17:51:18 GMT -8
axe elf
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 17:51:36 GMT -8
In SOME rare cases a comic is printed incorrectly. Actually, and as confirmed by the publisher's own printed data, spoilage in printing was widespread and common; it wasn't rare at all.
This is one of the few things we DO know for certain about the first 40 years of comic book printing.EDIT TO ADD: Forum glitch - my reply was lost. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 17:53:42 GMT -8
You think zod is axe elf? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 18:04:27 GMT -8
In SOME rare cases a comic is printed incorrectly. Actually, and as confirmed by the publisher's own printed data, spoilage in printing was widespread and common; it wasn't rare at all.
This is one of the few things we DO know for certain about the first 40 years of comic book printing.And yet you haven't offered any actual numbers. If it's confirmed by the publisher's own printed data, what is the actual spoilage rate? And what does spoilage rate mean? If it means that many were not printed properly, nobody will disagree with you on that. We all know that comics are FULL of errors because they are cheap children's mags. But you're conflating spoilage rate with a specific error I pointed out. The two are not the same.  For example, poor registration, miscuts, poor color strike and many other defects can all be included in the spoilage rate. Finally, if this defect is so common and not rare, why don't we see so many of these examples? I probably see 10,000s of comics a year and I rarely see these. This is the 1st such example I've seen in probably 2 years. And yet you haven't offered any actual numbers. They're in the comic titles of the era, printed once a year.
You do not know this?If it's confirmed by the publisher's own printed data, what is the actual spoilage rate? See above.And what does spoilage rate mean? If it means that many were not printed properly, nobody will disagree with you on that. We all know that comics are FULL of errors because they are cheap children's mags. See above.But you're conflating spoilage rate with a specific error I pointed out. The two are not the same. No.
You said errors were rare, I said they were common, as confirmed by the publishers themselves yearly.For example, poor registration, miscuts, poor color strike and many other defects can all be included in the spoilage rate. Yes.Finally, if this defect is so common and not rare, I never made this claim - see above.why don't we see so many of these examples? I probably see 10,000s of comics a year and I rarely see these. This is the 1st such example I've seen in probably 2 years. Irrelevant; see above.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 18:10:29 GMT -8
To proceed logically, YOU must provide evidence of your claims or concede that you have none. Forum glitch; reply erased. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 18:11:49 GMT -8
To proceed logically, YOU must provide evidence of your claims or concede that you have none. You can search the CGC forums for Dice's proof. Isn't that how you replied to me when I asked for specific links to a topic we were discussing? I'll try to find those links. I'm just pointing out that you never show your proof no matter what the circumstances. Much like Chuck Gower / Prince Namor. Come to think of it, you guys do have a VERY similar writing style, you format your replies the same way and you use the same type of logic. Interesting. If I show proof that comics were trimmed on all sides AFTER covers aware attached, will you acknowledge you were wrong? You can search the CGC forums for Dice's proof. Illogical/trolling; present proof of your initial claim or concede that you have none.Isn't that how you replied to me when I asked for specific links to a topic we were discussing? Irrelevant/hypocritical/trolling; see above.
I'll try to find those links. Great. 
I'm just pointing out that you never show your proof no matter what the circumstances. Irrelevant, but already addressed.
Much like Chuck Gower / Prince Namor. Irrelevant trolling.Come to think of it, you guys do have a VERY similar writing style, you format your replies the same way and you use the same type of logic. See above.Interesting.  If I show proof that comics were trimmed on all sides AFTER covers aware attached, will you acknowledge you were wrong? No such proof exists for all comics from the early 30s through the early 70s (thus including the Silver Age), so your question is irrelevant. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 18:15:27 GMT -8
If I show proof that comics were trimmed on all sides AFTER covers aware attached, will you acknowledge you were wrong? How can you definitively know this?  I'm stating that it does. I have it (I'm being serious, not facetious). I will show it. Once I show it will you admit you were wrong? |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 18:17:36 GMT -8
I'll try to find those links. I'm just pointing out that you never show your proof no matter what the circumstances. I'll try to find those links. Great. BTW, tried searching the CGC forum. The CGC forum doesn't allow for searches before 3 years so I can't find them. I even adjusted the dates and that did not turn anything up. I think CGC has eliminated older searches to speed up the forum (and possibly to bury past discussions). |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 18:23:16 GMT -8
You think zod is axe elf? Is it possible axe elf and Chuck Gower / Prince Namor are the same person? |
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Post by kav on Feb 10, 2023 18:31:45 GMT -8
You think zod is axe elf? Is it possible axe elf and Chuck Gower / Prince Namor are the same person? No. Gower has a specific angry nasty posting style-he blows his top-axe is more condescending and declares victory unilaterally along with the third person stuff and other peccadillos. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 18:41:35 GMT -8
Is it possible axe elf and Chuck Gower / Prince Namor are the same person? No. Gower has a specific angry nasty posting style-he blows his top-axe is more condescending and declares victory unilaterally along with the third person stuff and other peccadillos. Thanks. I've gone at length with Gower and there are many other parallels / data points that lead me to believe that zod and Gower might be the same person. I also think QC might be Logan510. I'm not 100% sure but the writing style is similar and jsilverjanet really seemed to get bent out of shape when he felt I offended QC. The reason this is significant is because both live in the Chicago area. But the clincher for me was when I replied to QC with Doncic the other day. They replied to that comment as though they knew exactly what I was talking about. That was the word I used to  Logan with on the CG Cforums. Most importantly, I actually don't care. It's just hilarious that these people need to take on anonymous identities to troll me. I'm not yet convinced I'm 100% correct but thank you for filling me in regardless. I appreciate it. |
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Post by kav on Feb 10, 2023 18:46:03 GMT -8
No. Gower has a specific angry nasty posting style-he blows his top-axe is more condescending and declares victory unilaterally along with the third person stuff and other peccadillos. Thanks. I've gone at length with Gower and there are many other parallels / data points that lead me to believe that zod and Gower might be the same person. I also think QC might be Logan510. I'm not 100% sure but the writing style is similar and jsilverjanet really seemed to get bent out of shape when he felt I offended QC. The reason this is significant is because both live in the Chicago area. But the clincher for me was when I replied to QC with Doncic the other day. They replied to that comment as though they knew exactly what I was talking about. That was the word I used to Logan with on the CG Cforums. Most importantly, I actually don't care. It's just hilarious that these people need to take on anonymous identities to troll me. I'm not yet convinced I'm 100% correct but thank you for filling me in regardless. I appreciate it. QC is not Logan and him and janet despise one another. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 10, 2023 18:47:37 GMT -8
Thanks. I've gone at length with Gower and there are many other parallels / data points that lead me to believe that zod and Gower might be the same person. I also think QC might be Logan510. I'm not 100% sure but the writing style is similar and jsilverjanet really seemed to get bent out of shape when he felt I offended QC. The reason this is significant is because both live in the Chicago area. But the clincher for me was when I replied to QC with Doncic the other day. They replied to that comment as though they knew exactly what I was talking about. That was the word I used to Logan with on the CG Cforums. Most importantly, I actually don't care. It's just hilarious that these people need to take on anonymous identities to troll me. I'm not yet convinced I'm 100% correct but thank you for filling me in regardless. I appreciate it. QC is not Logan and him and janet despise one another. Noted. Thanks again for clarifying.  Do you have any idea which boardie QC is? |
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