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Post by kav on Jan 31, 2023 19:28:39 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 19:36:45 GMT -8
Before descending into name-calling, Capra was the only person here who briefly addressed the issue of teaching CRT-related ideas as an exercise of academic freedom. Is anyone else here willing to do so? Here's an excellent article on the subject: www.propublica.org/article/desantis-critical-race-theory-florida-college-professorsWhatever one thinks of critical race theory, the state’s [Florida's] interference limits the freedom of professors who are experts in their fields to decide what to teach their students.
Cox worried, not without reason, that the law effectively banned him from discussing his ideas in class, and that teaching the courses could cost him his livelihood.
Cox, who is the only Black professor in the sociology department, will not be considered for tenure until this fall.
His salary was his family’s only income while his wife stayed home with their baby.While Capra's stance is inconsistent with supporting academic freedom, what say those others appalled by Hamline's reaction to Prater's trolling of her Muslim students? For the sake of consistency, I assume that you all support Professor's Cox's right to teach as he sees fit?
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Post by jcjames on Jan 31, 2023 20:46:30 GMT -8
So the Holocaust is just "opinion"?? Ah, okay great, thanks, good to know! Thank you for helping Zod make his point, JCJ. The Holocaust is the Holocaust. The body of "history" regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history.Thanks again for helping me clarify. Wait - this makes zero sense. "The body of history... constitutes history"? That's a circular statement. You stated, and emphasized, the equivalency that "History IS opinion". If, as you claim {History = Opinion}, then using your own equivalency, "The body of history opinion regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history"History is NOT opinion. People may have their own opinions ABOUT history, but history itself is not opinion, it is facts and objective truths. The Civil War happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Civil War into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. The Holocaust happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Holocaust into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. CRT is another "opinion" or "viewpoint" about the facts of US History. Some are trying to foist this biased CRT-opinion into the realm of historical fact, but again, they are wrong to try.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2023 22:02:29 GMT -8
Thank you for helping Zod make his point, JCJ. The Holocaust is the Holocaust. The body of "history" regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history.Thanks again for helping me clarify. Wait - this makes zero sense. "The body of history... constitutes history"? That's a circular statement. You stated, and emphasized, the equivalency that "History IS opinion". If, as you claim {History = Opinion}, then using your own equivalency, "The body of history opinion regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history"History is NOT opinion. People may have their own opinions ABOUT history, but history itself is not opinion, it is facts and objective truths. The Civil War happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Civil War into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. The Holocaust happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Holocaust into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. CRT is another "opinion" or "viewpoint" about the facts of US History. Some are trying to foist this biased CRT-opinion into the realm of historical fact, but again, they are wrong to try. Wait - this makes zero sense. "The body of history... constitutes history" ? It makes sense when properly quoted; you removed the "s from my "history."That's a circular statement. See above.You stated, and emphasized, the equivalency that "History IS opinion". By definition, yes.If, as you claim {History = Opinion}, then using your own equivalency, "The body of history opinion regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history" See above; you're subtly misquoting me.History is NOT opinion. By definition, it is.
That reality may creep in at times is necessary to the goals of the given historical propagandist/s.
Vintage actually makes this point above - a comment you liked! - but you seem nonetheless not to grasp it.People may have their own opinions ABOUT history, but history itself is not opinion, it is facts and objective truths. History may include facts and objective truth/s as noted above, but is most certainly NOT wholly constituted of such elements.The Civil War happened (objective truth). Correct. Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Civil War into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. Most foist, and I'd call these foisters "historians."
And also simply historians.
Propaganda we like, we call history.
Propaganda we do not like?
We call it propaganda.The Holocaust happened (objective truth). Correct.Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Holocaust into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. See above.CRT is another "opinion" or "viewpoint" about the facts of US History. CRT is interdisciplinary, and intertwines with "history" or if you wish, simply history, as noted above.
Some are trying to foist this biased CRT-opinion into the realm of historical fact, but again, they are wrong to try. See above.
The term "historical fact" is an oxymoron. ______________________________
Good to have this mindful exchange, JCJ, but Zod is more than ever inclined to conclude that when Muslims are trolled by an academic arsonist, this is applauded by conservatives as academic freedom, but when history which makes conservatives uncomfortable is presented, these conservatives revert to the stance of the offended Muslims they decried.
This is, at best, a severe disconnect.
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Feb 1, 2023 11:47:02 GMT -8
Exposing lunacy, and "name-calling", are 2 very different things.
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Post by jcjames on Feb 1, 2023 11:51:16 GMT -8
Wait - this makes zero sense. "The body of history... constitutes history"? That's a circular statement. You stated, and emphasized, the equivalency that "History IS opinion". If, as you claim {History = Opinion}, then using your own equivalency, "The body of history opinion regarding the Holocaust, including denial thereof, constitutes history"History is NOT opinion. People may have their own opinions ABOUT history, but history itself is not opinion, it is facts and objective truths. The Civil War happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Civil War into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. The Holocaust happened (objective truth). Some want to foist their biased "opinions" about the Holocaust into the realm of historical fact, but they are wrong to try. CRT is another "opinion" or "viewpoint" about the facts of US History. Some are trying to foist this biased CRT-opinion into the realm of historical fact, but again, they are wrong to try. Wait - this makes zero sense. "The body of history... constitutes history" ? It makes sense when properly quoted; you removed the "s from my "history.". . . Stopping at this first reply statement. I have no idea what you removed the "s from my "history." means! What line do you think I misquoted and please highlight what "s" you're referring to.
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Post by kav on Feb 1, 2023 12:13:31 GMT -8
Stopping at this first reply statement. I have no idea what you removed the "s from my "history." means! What line do you think I misquoted and please highlight what "s" you're referring to. "Hitory" maybe?
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 1, 2023 12:36:19 GMT -8
I have a Hattori Hanzo. I know a guy that has a lot of Hattoris. Does that help?
I know, 2 Ts don't make an s, but..qrst....you know, because s is before t.
I think this clears up what was meant, and is not confusing. YW.
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Post by davidpg on Feb 1, 2023 13:45:08 GMT -8
There are three sides to every (hi)story: my side, your side and the truth.
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 1, 2023 13:55:50 GMT -8
There are three sides to every (hi)story: my side, your side and the truth. Maybe, but I have a Hanzo. Don't bring a story to a Sword fight.......
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Post by kav on Feb 1, 2023 17:18:53 GMT -8
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Post by kav on Feb 2, 2023 16:03:11 GMT -8
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Post by kav on Feb 3, 2023 20:14:57 GMT -8
its quiet
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Post by kav on Feb 3, 2023 20:15:12 GMT -8
...too quiet-
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 21:59:44 GMT -8
Exposing lunacy, and "name-calling", are 2 very different things. I'd love to see you make an actual contribution to the thread again rather than simply troll it.
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