Pfizer's clinical trial data released under FOIA by FDA

Has Reuters verified that document as real?

The Pfizer document. Reuters verified the information that Pfizer is trying to suppress findings, but... I don't see verification from a credible news source that the document is legit. 

Because it’s a huge story for the right wing media and yet, I’m not seeing people make a huge issue of its findings other than from less credible media sources.

I realize there are other reasons Fox News may not be blasting it all over the air waves (pharma ad dollars are huge), but it certainly advances their cause to discredit the vaccine.

What is political about it? We have to pretend their isn't a right wing media slant that has tried to discredit the virus and vaccine or a left wing media slant that has tried to overly push their agenda of everyone needing to get vaccinated? Ok... didn't know the rules.

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No man, there's no need to pretend there ISN'T a left and a right wing slant, but we really need to stop with the 'Fox vs CNN' dialogue as it goes nowhere. Just talk science and ideology, not news channels, politics or about picking sides.


Judge the message, not the messenger.

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Seriously Roy, I was in no way suspicious of your motives until you said THAT. I wouldn't consider you naive, but...if that's what you actually think and believe, that's just naive as hell.

It'd be like if I was saying "You must get baptized before you die, or you'll go to hell... but I've never heard of any of the religions, or have any familiarity with them or know what a Bible says."

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When you've lost everything you grew up with simply to be free and objective, life looks very different. I lost everything and once you lose everything, nothing else matters except for what's right and what's wrong.

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I get that. It just becomes suspicious when that message is the same as someone else's and yet you claim no knowledge of it. The whole world is full of . Everyone has an angle. So how do you verify information? You quoted as a source 'Rebel News' in the co-vid thread. How are THEY not political?

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I understand Rebel is a heavily influenced right wing site. I posted the link because it just makes information presentation better. Just like the National Enquirer example above, just the message and not the messenger.

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So, if I talk just the message - my question again is... how do I verify if this document is real? Where do I get any source of information I can trust?

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I don't know. I'd use Google? But Reuters in my experience is fairly reliable and reasonably neutral. I didn't think to question where someone made up a false study.


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So, taking as much politics out of it as possible... what in history; modern history, can you compare all of this to? Has there ever been a disease that's spread itself so quickly across the entire planet - shutting down sports leagues and international travel and commerce? What would be the closest to it? How was it dealt with?

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By March or April, we KNEW WITH CERTAINTY that Covid-19 Alpha was really only affecting older people. Whether it spread among the young didn't really matter as it didn't affect them. The lockdowns were FORCED on people with no debate or opposing discussion allowed. Any discussion about it was censored, shut down, shot down by public mobs operating out of fear, hysteria and a lack of logic.

Since then, we've learned that the lockdowns ABSOLLUTELY did much more harm than they let on they would and that we've destroyed a world economy, statistics say 250,000 children died of starvation worldwide, we have all time record numbers of suicides and overdoses, we have NO idea how many people were physically or sexually abused (especially children, becuase those things are usually reported in schools but schools have been closed for almost 2 years in many places).

 

Did you know that millions of elderly were killed when infected elderly were sent back into long term care homes to devestate long term care facilities around the world?

We literally killed the people we were supposed to protect. The elderly and the vulernable.

I'm happy to have a discussion on lockdowns if you want to. I'm well versed in the topic.

There are literally 1000's of experts around the world who disagree with the imposed measures and these people are being smeared and are 'no longer credible' only because they opposed Lord Fauci the Liar.

Don't even get me started on the loss of human liberties around the world. There is NO price that can pay for that.

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Are you sure you're on the right side of history?

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Maybe what this is, as much as anything, is a knee-jerk reaction from 'leaders' to do SOMETHING about this unprecedented crisis, and the natural order of those.... societal leaders naturally following the path that was already there - Big Pharma's relationship with government - and it's a big lazy cluster as usual from those who obviously don't have our best interests in mind. Keep it all muddy, play it like you're helping the world, and let your friends rake in the profits. Business as usual. Is that political?

I'm not sure what the specific message it is you're trying to send. Government is corrupt, disorganized, and controlled by big business? No argument from me. Big Pharma is corrupt, completely organized and in bed with the Federal Government? No argument from me.

Is that it? Is that what you're trying to sell me? I'm already there.


The ONE key thing to remember is even though they kept saying to 'follow the science' they did no such thing. They followed the optics, the pandering, the virtue signalling, the money and the fear control.

If they used science we wouldn't have been in this mess 2 years later.

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Well, the secrets are coming out daily. Kind of hard to prevail against Goliath when Goliath holds all the strings, money, power, media and optics in their hands.

But we are seeing an acceleration of news coming out daily through FOIA and whistleblowers now that are decimating the lies we were fed for 2 years now.

And let's not start labelling people as 'conspiracy theorists'. Peter Daszak played that card in Feb 2020 and he even tricked our established board scientists with it and it backfired on him, since HE was the one pushing the conspiracy while people around him were pushing for science.


Yes, there are MANY alternative treatments and they've all been censored.

The protocol for treating Covid is basically, get vaccinated, stay home sick, call us if you're about to die so we can put you on a ventilator.

So, taking as much politics out of it as possible... what in history; modern history, can you compare all of this to? Has there ever been a disease that's spread itself so quickly across the entire planet - shutting down sports leagues and international travel and commerce? What would be the closest to it? How was it dealt with?

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By March or April, we KNEW WITH CERTAINTY that Covid-19 Alpha was really only affecting older people. Whether it spread among the young didn't really matter as it didn't affect them.

What about the young, spreading it to the old?

The lockdowns were FORCED on people with no debate or opposing discussion allowed. Any discussion about it was censored, shut down, shot down by public mobs operating out of fear, hysteria and a lack of logic.

Hindsight is certainly 20/20, but with the speed with which this spread across the entire planet and the immediate toll it took on hospitals and healthcare, it scared people - government leaders as well. Do I believe they chose the best solution and made the wisest decisions? Probably not.

But entire sports leagues shut down over this. World futbol shut down their leagues. That's billionaires siding with millionaires to NOT make money. Governments didn't FORCE them to shut down. They chose to NOT make money for a period of time based upon what information was available about the virus.

Rather than focus on protecting the vulnerable, we killed them. 80% of deaths from Covid-19 in the US are adults above the age of 60.

Wait, are you saying the way we did it killed MORE old people than... than what other way?

The excuse was 'we can't do it' or 'it's too expensive' but they never even tried, man. They NEVER EVEN TRIED. It wasn't expensive to put young homeless people in hotels across the country? It wasn't expensive to print Trillion$ to keep the healthy at home for a year?

Give me a break. They could EASILY have put the elderly into hotels and Postmate'd food. They were paying nurses $10,000 a week to work in some hospitals. Money was never the problem, that was just an excuse.

The problem, and I maintain this since last summer, was a lack of effort and care. Period. And they slaughtered those people because they didn't care.

In America... well, I can only speak for America because this is where I was raised, but it's true throughout most of the world... the wealthy and the ruling class could give two chits about the poor. Always has been that way, always will be that way. You're 100% right, they didn't really care.

Since then, we've learned that the lockdowns ABSOLLUTELY did much more harm than they let on they would and that we've destroyed a world economy, statistics say 250,000 children died of starvation worldwide, we have all time record numbers of suicides and overdoses, we have NO idea how many people were physically or sexually abused (especially children, becuase those things are usually reported in schools but schools have been closed for almost 2 years in many places).

My friends in Thailand... the way their government handled it was even worse... the amount of suicides and poverty and starvation... it's not just here. This was a magnifying glass as to the way masses are NOT looked after by government.

I mean, the list of casualties is literally endless and will haunt us for decades.

And not only that, they did NOT prevent the spread of Covid the way they were expected to.

Right. And much of that was led by misinformation in the media and someone who we're not allowed to mention. How hard was it to wear a mask? They've been doing it in overly polluted parts of Southeast Asia for a decade.

Did you know that a study done in LA county found that 3 times the poor people died of Covid compared to the wealthy in LA? Lockdowns were a great thing for the wealthy and privileged. Not for anyone else.

Did you know that early seroprevalence studies in LA and Santa Clara found that 1 in 50 people already had covid by late spring? The lockdowns were FAR too late to stop the spread. The virus was RAMPANT.

Did you know that millions of elderly were killed when infected elderly were sent back into long term care homes to devestate long term care facilities around the world?

We literally killed the people we were supposed to protect. The elderly and the vulernable.

I'm happy to have a discussion on lockdowns if you want to. I'm well versed in the topic.

There are literally 1000's of experts around the world who disagree with the imposed measures and these people are being smeared and are 'no longer credible' only because they opposed Lord Fauci the Liar.

Don't even get me started on the loss of human liberties around the world. There is NO price that can pay for that.

I agree. So what was the answer? How should they have stopped it? How could they have prevented it?

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Abso-freaking-lutely. I am betting the house on it at this point.

I now know 17 people with severe adverse reactions just in my own smallish circle (several were very close family members). Last night I met a man who went into cardiac arrest and had to have his chest cut open for an operation to do a reaction to the jab.

Wow, that's a lot. I know ZERO. I work in a place with at least 40 people who've gotten the vaccine (including myself) and other than a day of work missed for nausea, none of them had severe side effects from the vaccine. I'm NOT saying that's credible evidence of anything, just stating what I've experienced.

I don't know if you followed the Covid threads much but there was a TON of asshats who tried to disagree with me on so many things and I ended up being right about MANY of them. I stated ALL of the below things between roughly May - July 2020.

I stated that we'll need volunteers to speed up studies. namisgr argued AGAINST me saying it was unethical. Guess what? We had volunteers.

I stated that we will likely see mandatory vaccinations nationwide. namisgr and others argued against me. Guess what? I was right.

I stated that we will likely see immunity passports. Everyone said no way. Guess what? Here we are.

I stated that this will be larger than WW2. tth2 and others said it would be over in a year. Guess what, two years later there is NO end insight.

It's the CGC forum. You can pretty much state any opinion, and someone will disagree with it.

I stated that we really need to look into the lab leak theory. DrBanner, namisgr (man did he get lost in the news) and many others said I was a conspiracy theorist. After censoring and shushing the conversation all over the world, now it's a readily accepted and even likely theory.

Says who? The latest I read on it was in the Atlantic a couple of weeks ago, and seemed like both sides were at a stalemate in trying to push their view. 

The Lab-Leak Theory Meets Its Perfect Match



So, how did I get all of these things right before anyone else was talking about them? Was I watching Fox news? Nope.

It's simple logic once you strip away the dross.

Yes, the quickest put together vaccine in history, administered to the largest test group ever (the whole world) in the shortest amount of time possible led to the most sideways issues (and really bad reactions) than anything we'd previously seen. Makes sense. 

You don't believe it saved any lives at all? We would've been better without it?

And now I believe that adverse vaccine reactions are SEVERELY under reported and I will not be on the side of history were humans subjugate other humans and are forced to take an experimental drug only to have those drugs recalled and have them say 'sorry, we made a mistake.'


Also, THESE ARE NOT VACCINES. They are human experimental drugs being given to reduce symptoms in the greatest human experiment in the history of man.

Tuskagee anyone? Holocaust anyone? Yeah, I said it. This is EXACTLY what is happening all over again. They just pulled the recommendation for the J=J shot after a YEAR and millions vaccinated. What recourse will those people have with their part in the experiment?

How many more adverse effects will they need to 'discover' before people stop making excuses for an experimental drug that is still unknown?

We've seen this before. One of the more controversial and well known instances was the use of AZT to treat Aids patients. We are cattle to the ruling class. 

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Maybe what this is, as much as anything, is a knee-jerk reaction from 'leaders' to do SOMETHING about this unprecedented crisis, and the natural order of those.... societal leaders naturally following the path that was already there - Big Pharma's relationship with government - and it's a big lazy cluster as usual from those who obviously don't have our best interests in mind. Keep it all muddy, play it like you're helping the world, and let your friends rake in the profits. Business as usual. Is that political?

I'm not sure what the specific message it is you're trying to send. Government is corrupt, disorganized, and controlled by big business? No argument from me. Big Pharma is corrupt, completely organized and in bed with the Federal Government? No argument from me.

Is that it? Is that what you're trying to sell me? I'm already there.

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I'm not trying to 'sell' anything. I want to put information out there that is being ignored, obscured or hidden in favor of a single, central agenda that makes no logical sense.


The ONE key thing to remember is even though they kept saying to 'follow the science' they did no such thing. They followed the optics, the pandering, the virtue signalling, the money and the fear control.

If they used science we wouldn't have been in this mess 2 years later.

Explain that.

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Is there something else? Home remedies? More Conspiracy theories? Secret Documents?

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Well, the secrets are coming out daily. Kind of hard to prevail against Goliath when Goliath holds all the strings, money, power, media and optics in their hands.

But we are seeing an acceleration of news coming out daily through FOIA and whistleblowers now that are decimating the lies we were fed for 2 years now.

And let's not start labelling people as 'conspiracy theorists'. Peter Daszak played that card in Feb 2020 and he even tricked our established board scientists with it and it backfired on him, since HE was the one pushing the conspiracy while people around him were pushing for science.


Yes, there are MANY alternative treatments and they've all been censored.

Being questioned or being censored? Joe Rogan has been loudly pushing unverified treatments for over a year. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are censoring you.

The protocol for treating Covid is basically, get vaccinated, stay home sick, call us if you're about to die so we can put you on a ventilator.