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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 14, 2022 8:29:23 GMT -8
I never have been political. My family raised me to be non-political and a pacifist. I voted for the first time ever last year.
Anybody who thinks in binary terms is lost.
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 14, 2022 8:31:48 GMT -8
Says one of the Ideology of Division Apostles......
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 14, 2022 8:37:47 GMT -8
For the record, I think Biden and his administration is clueless. I think the Democratic party is clueless. It's all a  show. They're . But it's much mellower than the show that preceded it. Oh, and unvaccinated Glenn Beck has Co-Vid again. |
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 14, 2022 8:47:03 GMT -8
Sigh....
For the Record, useless information, again.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 14, 2022 21:56:02 GMT -8
First, ALL NEWS has been manipulating information for decades. Just because I don't include one news channel doesn't mean they get a free pass.
This is not a Fox vs CNN discussion and it's not a right vs left discussion. I'm not political at all.
The NYT has a clear and provable history in the last 2 years of both fabricating news from 'anonymous sources' and also acting illegally and unethically only to quietly retract it months later after the damage has been done.
They are complicit in these 3 narratives of the last year
1) the Jan 6 Capitol protest. 2) burying the Hunter Biden laptop story 3) Joe Biden's daughter's diary
In all 3 of these narratives, the NYT acted without integrity on a mass scale and even illegally - they were reprimanded by the courts for publishing material they shouldn't have in #3.. Why did they do it? To slander a competitor.
I never excuse anyone of wrong doing if they've done it, but don't try to make this look like I'm political.
I never have been political. My family raised me to be non-political and a pacifist. I voted for the first time ever last year.
1) I agree, "ALL NEWS has been manipulating information for decades". But how is it you've avoided pointing out Fox's very blatant news fabrications as well? You seem to zero in very specifically on the left, but avoid pointing out the same behavior on the right. It looks suspiciously slanted, Roy... especially in light of the fact that Fox News has been doing it openly, and blatantly for DECADES now. They are the ones who changed the game in the first place. They're the one's who brought us into this world of celebrity and  News as predicted by the classic 1976 movie 'Network'. 2) I'm curious as to how you view the Jan 6th protests that you seem to think the NYT is so corrupt about reporting on... The Times has got certain facts about it incorrect. Without question. But Fox News reported that it was a 'false flag operation', and that 'Antifa' may be behind it, it was 'mostly peaceful', it was a 'setup', etc. despite the fact that we NOW know some of the Fox Personalities who said these things were in text contact with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and FULLY AWARE of what was going on. They have been outright EXPOSED for lying directly to the public about it. OUTRIGHT PROOF that the information was falsely presented. Yet... Roy is nowhere to be found on this angle of the topic. That looks suspiciously slanted Roy... 3) "they were reprimanded by the courts for publishing material they shouldn't have in #3.." Holy . You're defending the rights of a bunch of right-wing kooks? Project Veritas have a LONG and very OPEN history of distorting facts and making up pure to try and smear the left. A CLEARLY political organization for the extreme right wing, that is under FEDERAL INVESTIGATION. How are you being non-political there, Roy? You're not taking the side of Joe Rogan there, who at least TRIES to be impartial and present some opposing viewpoints. You're taking the side of outright propaganda criminals. Outright propaganda criminals of the FAR-RIGHT who have NEVER retracted the lies they've been caught in. 4) Speaking of lies... people like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones, two of the loudest all stars for the FAR-RIGHT have been taken to court for SLANDER, and in both instances, rather than retract things they said, have used the defense that they're 'entertainers' and people can't be expected to 'literally believe' the words that come out of their mouths. You think that's any LESS of an issue of misinformation than the NYT's getting a fact wrong on a story??? The NYT's has a circulation of 5 million people - just Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson combined reach that many people. If you want to get into slander and defamation lawsuits filed vs the two sides, loudmouths of the right vs loudmouths of the left - it's very TELLING. Just google your favorite or least favorite of the right or the left and look at the results. 5) When it comes to the Hunter Biden stories... you forget how the right created fake information in the first place to try and give some validity to the story. Or are you again only ranting from one side of the debate, despite claiming to be unpolitical? And he was cleared of any wrongdoing by a Republican committee in Congress. Why is it still a story? How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
Again, how about if you reframe your questions so that they are not 'this vs that' and not divisive as parker already pointed out.
YOU are making this a political discussion.
I don't watch television.
I don't watch the news.
I am not political AT ALL.
The only reason I've followed politics in the past year and the reason I may look like a pro right supporter to people who don't know me, is because THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA is liberal and they have been spreading lies during this pandemic that have destroyed society, which is the main reason I have become more active and vocal about how I feel about everything in general.
I did not even realize this pandemic was so politicized until I saw guys like namisgr, tth2, Dowling, paperheart, drbanner and others walk in lockstep with the Biden army. 
Like, how shallow can you be?
You simply caught me at a snapshot in time where I have been more active than I have ever been in my entire life and the opposition happens to be liberal and not conservative.
If it was during ether war on Iraq by the two Republican hawks, I'd look like a Liberal supporter to everyone.
Just ask Parker, who dogged me for years about my 'communist' and 'liberal' views on Wal Mart several years ago before the pandemic. 
I DON'T CHOOSE POLITICAL SIDES. EVER. I think politics are disgusting, flawed, immature, ridiculous, childish.
I choose the position that I think is right in any given situation and in this pandemic, the left has abused their power far too much, lied about the pandemic measures and destroyed society IMO.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 14, 2022 21:58:22 GMT -8
But it's much mellower than the show that preceded it. Uh, it's 'mellower' because the majority of mainstream media is liberal and they don't have a scapegoat to slaughter.
Just wait until the next Republican president takes office and it will be much less 'mellow'
What is happening right now is far more insidious IMO than having a 'meathead' in office.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 15, 2022 8:05:11 GMT -8
1) I agree, "ALL NEWS has been manipulating information for decades". But how is it you've avoided pointing out Fox's very blatant news fabrications as well? You seem to zero in very specifically on the left, but avoid pointing out the same behavior on the right. It looks suspiciously slanted, Roy... especially in light of the fact that Fox News has been doing it openly, and blatantly for DECADES now. They are the ones who changed the game in the first place. They're the one's who brought us into this world of celebrity and News as predicted by the classic 1976 movie 'Network'. 2) I'm curious as to how you view the Jan 6th protests that you seem to think the NYT is so corrupt about reporting on... The Times has got certain facts about it incorrect. Without question. But Fox News reported that it was a 'false flag operation', and that 'Antifa' may be behind it, it was 'mostly peaceful', it was a 'setup', etc. despite the fact that we NOW know some of the Fox Personalities who said these things were in text contact with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and FULLY AWARE of what was going on. They have been outright EXPOSED for lying directly to the public about it. OUTRIGHT PROOF that the information was falsely presented. Yet... Roy is nowhere to be found on this angle of the topic. That looks suspiciously slanted Roy... 3) "they were reprimanded by the courts for publishing material they shouldn't have in #3.." Holy . You're defending the rights of a bunch of right-wing kooks? Project Veritas have a LONG and very OPEN history of distorting facts and making up pure to try and smear the left. A CLEARLY political organization for the extreme right wing, that is under FEDERAL INVESTIGATION. How are you being non-political there, Roy? You're not taking the side of Joe Rogan there, who at least TRIES to be impartial and present some opposing viewpoints. You're taking the side of outright propaganda criminals. Outright propaganda criminals of the FAR-RIGHT who have NEVER retracted the lies they've been caught in. 4) Speaking of lies... people like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones, two of the loudest all stars for the FAR-RIGHT have been taken to court for SLANDER, and in both instances, rather than retract things they said, have used the defense that they're 'entertainers' and people can't be expected to 'literally believe' the words that come out of their mouths. You think that's any LESS of an issue of misinformation than the NYT's getting a fact wrong on a story??? The NYT's has a circulation of 5 million people - just Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson combined reach that many people. If you want to get into slander and defamation lawsuits filed vs the two sides, loudmouths of the right vs loudmouths of the left - it's very TELLING. Just google your favorite or least favorite of the right or the left and look at the results. 5) When it comes to the Hunter Biden stories... you forget how the right created fake information in the first place to try and give some validity to the story. Or are you again only ranting from one side of the debate, despite claiming to be unpolitical? And he was cleared of any wrongdoing by a Republican committee in Congress. Why is it still a story? How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
Again, how about if you reframe your questions so that they are not 'this vs that' and not divisive as parker already pointed out.
YOU are making this a political discussion.
I don't watch television.
I don't watch the news.
I am not political AT ALL.
The only reason I've followed politics in the past year and the reason I may look like a pro right supporter to people who don't know me, is because THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA is liberal and they have been spreading lies during this pandemic that have destroyed society, which is the main reason I have become more active and vocal about how I feel about everything in general.
I did not even realize this pandemic was so politicized until I saw guys like namisgr, tth2, Dowling, paperheart, drbanner and others walk in lockstep with the Biden army. 
Like, how shallow can you be?
You simply caught me at a snapshot in time where I have been more active than I have ever been in my entire life and the opposition happens to be liberal and not conservative.
If it was during ether war on Iraq by the two Republican hawks, I'd look like a Liberal supporter to everyone.
Just ask Parker, who dogged me for years about my 'communist' and 'liberal' views on Wal Mart several years ago before the pandemic. 
I DON'T CHOOSE POLITICAL SIDES. EVER. I think politics are disgusting, flawed, immature, ridiculous, childish.
I choose the position that I think is right in any given situation and in this pandemic, the left has abused their power far too much, lied about the pandemic measures and destroyed society IMO.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 15, 2022 8:24:01 GMT -8
But it's much mellower than the show that preceded it. Uh, it's 'mellower' because the majority of mainstream media is liberal and they don't have a scapegoat to slaughter.
Just wait until the next Republican president takes office and it will be much less 'mellow'
What is happening right now is far more insidious IMO than having a 'meathead' in office.
A scapegoat to slaughter? Do me a favor and list the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Trump Administration, including the President himself, and the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Obama Administration. Take Politics out of it and just think of them as two separate Presidential terms. It's a LANDSLIDE. He wasn't a scapegoat, his was one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of this country and if anything, the media has DOWNPLAYED it. It's NOT about Republican vs Democrat, it's about CRIMES THAT WERE COMMITTED. It's about FACTS. And let me tell ya... there's a bigger one coming with this Jan 6th hearing... DISPROVE my facts. What has the media protected Joe Biden from? Stories about his son that the Justice Department has already cleared him of? What else? Taking Politics out of it, how about you back up the statements YOU'VE made with actual facts. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 15, 2022 8:28:31 GMT -8
Uh, it's 'mellower' because the majority of mainstream media is liberal and they don't have a scapegoat to slaughter.
Just wait until the next Republican president takes office and it will be much less 'mellow'
What is happening right now is far more insidious IMO than having a 'meathead' in office.
A scapegoat to slaughter? Do me a favor and list the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Trump Administration, including the President himself, and the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Obama Administration. Take Politics out of it and just think of them as two separate Presidential terms. It's a LANDSLIDE. He wasn't a scapegoat, his was one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of this country and if anything, the media has DOWNPLAYED it. It's NOT about Republican vs Democrat, it's about CRIMES THAT WERE COMMITTED. It's about FACTS. And let me tell ya... there's a bigger one coming with this Jan 6th hearing... DISPROVE my facts. What has the media protected Joe Biden from? Stories about his son that the Justice Department has already cleared him of? What else? I'm a Canadian that has not been embroiled in US politics until the pandemic started.
My entire political view of the US is through the prism of the pandemic.
I can't comment on political related stuff outside of the pandemic because I don't know enough about it.
My opinions on the Jan 6th stuff comes from articles I've come across during my reading on the pandemic.
Glen Greenwald's articles are pretty sound and that's why I lean towards his POV
Between what I've read peripherally on stuff outside of the pandemic AND stuff I've read on the pandemic, I've come to conclude that the WSJ, the NYT and a few other papers have a very heavy bent towards supporting the left and opposing the right. This is easily provable.
I can't really get into deep discussions outside of these things.
If you want to point out bias on the right, by all means go ahead. I'll probably learn a lot.
And the only reason I have these discussions is to learn.
Trump made an easy target during the pandemic to pin stuff on him unfairly IMO. Most of the stuff that went wrong with the pandemic was due to politics and not science.
But I have no interest in arguing politics.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 15, 2022 8:40:07 GMT -8
Again, how about if you reframe your questions so that they are not 'this vs that' and not divisive as parker already pointed out.
YOU are making this a political discussion.
I don't watch television.
I don't watch the news.
I am not political AT ALL.
The only reason I've followed politics in the past year and the reason I may look like a pro right supporter to people who don't know me, is because THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA is liberal and they have been spreading lies during this pandemic that have destroyed society, which is the main reason I have become more active and vocal about how I feel about everything in general.
I did not even realize this pandemic was so politicized until I saw guys like namisgr, tth2, Dowling, paperheart, drbanner and others walk in lockstep with the Biden army.
Like, how shallow can you be?
You simply caught me at a snapshot in time where I have been more active than I have ever been in my entire life and the opposition happens to be liberal and not conservative.
If it was during ether war on Iraq by the two Republican hawks, I'd look like a Liberal supporter to everyone.
Just ask Parker, who dogged me for years about my 'communist' and 'liberal' views on Wal Mart several years ago before the pandemic.
I DON'T CHOOSE POLITICAL SIDES. EVER. I think politics are disgusting, flawed, immature, ridiculous, childish.
I choose the position that I think is right in any given situation and in this pandemic, the left has abused their power far too much, lied about the pandemic measures and destroyed society IMO.
And you answered none of the points. I answered the gist of your points in my replies.
To your point
#3) Project Veritas may be a far right, alt news group (or whatever you want to call them) but they won the law suit against the NYT. That doesn't matter? 
How about instead of attacking the messenger, like most left swinging people do, you just stick to the message. Because you can even find a nugget in the National Enquirer sometimes and sometimes all it takes is one seed to be planted to grow into real news.
The left and left wing media has absolutely been DESTROYING factual reporting on anything that opposes them, so sometimes it takes fringe elements to bring a real nugget into the mainstream to get properly investigated and looked at.
The Lab Leak theory is the PERFECT real world example.
It was denounced by authority in the strongest possible way, it was censored from public sites with extreme bias, it was publicly pushed on only by fringe groups like Project Veritas from the outside and now is looking to be the prominent theory for the origin of the lab leak theory. Dasxak is villified, Francis Collins has stepped down, Fauci is wavering. The cards are falling.
ALL OF THE PEOPLE THAT OPPOSED THE FRINGE ON THIS TOPIC WERE WRONG.
So, let's stick to the message and avoid attacking the messenger, otherwise all you're doing is being biased.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 17, 2022 7:36:28 GMT -8
Peter McCollough has been vilified by the world.
He is apparently the most medically published doctor in the world on heart and kidney disease, has worked with all levels of government including the White House.
He is unequivocally one of the greatest doctors in America.
In the last year, the mainstream has smeared him as a quack, as spreading misinformation, as 'dangerous'.
This 20 minute testimony from March 2021 in front of Texas senate completely destroys the mainstream narrative about Covid BEFORE he was publicly smeared.
If you have the time to listen to this video, you will see how he clearly, eloquently and systematically explains one year ago how we failed patients and millions are dying unnecessarily.
If you never listen to another video on Covid, please listen to this 20 minute one and then ask yourself how a doctor who was so highly regarded and respected all of a sudden becomes a quack? 
If namisgr or 500Club or any other knowledgeable person had the balls to a proper open discussion rather than hiding behind moderation's censorship on the CGC chat forum, they'd have this discussion, because it's for the well being of millions of people. It's for everyone.
But open discusses have been disallowed for 2 years now, and that alone is scary as to why the narrative is being completely censored. 
As Peter McCollough states in the video "We are used to seeing panels of doctors in a crisis. Why have we only seen one doctor for over a year now?"
Great question.
I'm going to post this in the covid thread as well.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 17, 2022 9:17:32 GMT -8
Around the world in every major city we have protests regularly. Nobody is really talking about it. The mainstream news is downplaying the protests. Even if you see an article, that article is slightly misrepresenting the protests.
A few months ago, there was a protest in Rome against vaccine passports. 10,000s of people turned out. The news labelled it a 'Fascist' protest in the news to deflect from the protest against passports.
Last week in Montreal, 1000's protested and in pictures and videos it looked like 10,000+ people. The CBC stated in their article that "100's gathered to protest".  100's? There was what looked to be a sea of people that filled entire city blocks.
In the article below, we have no pictures or videos of the '1000's' that are protesting, but the article in the world famous site does reveal that France had 105,000 people protest the week before. Can you imagine hiding the truth from the public? Why would they do that?
Talk to your friends. Talk to your enemies. Talk to your neighbors and ask them why the media is completely and disingenuously altering the perception of reality, because it's looking like there are things they do not want you to see.
This article has no pictures of video of the 1000s protesting. Why?
This article from Montreal is labelled '100's' when there are clearly 1000's protesting. Look at those pictured and tell me if that looks like '100's' to you?
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 18, 2022 15:55:02 GMT -8
You guys will love this one.
This shows the true colors of our Prime Minister.
That I just heard of this 5 month old article is just as shocking. Like, why wasn't this on the news?
A plan devised by the Canadian Joint Operations Command relied on propaganda techniques similar to those employed during the Afghanistan war.
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From the article:
The federal government never asked for the so-called information operations campaign, nor did cabinet authorize the initiative developed during the COVID-19 pandemic by the Canadian Joint Operations Command, then headed by Lt.-Gen. Mike Rouleau.
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But military commanders believed they didn’t need to get approval from higher authorities to develop and proceed with their plan, retired Maj.-Gen. Daniel Gosselin, who was brought in to investigate the scheme, concluded in his report.
The propaganda plan was developed and put in place in April 2020
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Some public affairs officers, intelligence specialists and senior planners want to expand the scope of such methods in Canada to allow them to better control and shape government information that the public receives. Others inside headquarters worry that such operations could lead to abuses, including having military staff intentionally mislead the Canadian public or taking measures to target opposition MPs or those who criticize government or military policy.
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Last year, the branch launched a controversial plan that would have allowed military public affairs officers to use propaganda to change attitudes and behaviours of Canadians as well as to collect and analyze information from public social media accounts.
The plan would have seen staff move from traditional government methods of communicating with the public to a more aggressive strategy of using information warfare and influence tactics on Canadians. Included among those tactics was the use of friendly defence analysts and retired generals to push military PR messages and to criticize on social media those who raised questions about military spending and accountability.
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The initiative to change military public affairs strategy was abruptly shut down in November after this newspaper revealed details about the plan. A military investigation determined what the Canadian Forces public affairs leadership was doing was “incompatible with Government of Canada Communications Policy (and the) mission and principles of Public Affairs.” None of the public affairs leadership was disciplined for their actions.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 23, 2022 23:23:30 GMT -8
For those that haven't followed closely what's happening in Canada, there is a nationwide trucker convoy converging on Ottawa, the capital city, in protest of all mandates.
While the rest of the world is opening up and countries like the UK, USA and some European countries drop vaccine, mask and isolation mandates, and even have fully attended sporting events, Ontario is still under lockdown with no non-essential places allowed to open and Quebec is still under curfew. 
In Quebec you are not only not allowed on the street after 10PM, you are not allowed any visitors in your home. Large chain stores including grocery stores CAN refuse unvaccinated people away.
This convey is made up of around 15,000+ truckers (and additionally, there are convoys of personal vehicles following) who have stopped carrying ALL goods for transport, are converging FROM ACROSS CANADA and are planning on a sit in, in Ottawa until all mandates are lifted.
This is a link to the site organizing the protest.
This is not a one day protest. It is indefinite. 
Go Fund Me has raised $3MIL in just a few days and that number is rising extremely quickly. They raised $1MIL in the last day as the last time i checked yesterday they were barely over $2K.
We are in almost in a crisis situation here and the future does not look very bright.
We are expecting supply chain shortages soon in Canada and yes, that includes food.
I have been following this closely, listening to trucker groups and the news is ABSOLUTELY not reporting what is happening accurately.
Most news is not reporting the actual size of the convoys, nor are they presenting much in the way of pictures or videos that convey the scope of the protest.
There is a Facebook group called Convey To Ottawa 2022 and they have doubled in size in the last 14 hours, going from 150,000 members to 280,000 members since noon today.
Gang, this is huge. It might be the single largest event in modern Canadian history since the Bloc Quebecois tried to separate Quebec from Canada, decades ago in a referendum.
Our Prime Minister has raised the stakes and the truckers are calling his bluff and going all in. 
This protest will affect every person in Canada.
Has anyone heard about this in the US?
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 24, 2022 7:23:15 GMT -8
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show. They're 
News as predicted by the classic 1976 movie 'Network'. 
100's? There was what looked to be a sea of people that filled entire city blocks.
