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Post by barry on Feb 13, 2021 10:43:59 GMT -8
It must be bad if Biden also sees issues with the WHO report.
White House cites 'deep concerns' about WHO Covid report, demands early data from China
The Trump administration had said it suspected the virus may have escaped from a Chinese lab, which Beijing strongly denies.
I had people on social media telling me that the investigation was over and that it was solved.  I can't believe that some people just assumed that biased report was a 'one and done' deal and bought it hook line and sinker.
That's the sort of partisan censoring that is causing all of the problems we have in the world. It's not how science and the truth works.
It wouldn't surprise me if the world bands together to push for a deeper investigation into China and the origins of the virus. Hopefully the world continues to pressure China and the investigation becomes more exhaustive.
I think it's too big to cover up. Too many deaths and too many angry nations. And the relationship between WHO and China is like what they did with 5G and Huawei and ZTE. It's a sham. You can't trust China ever. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 14, 2021 23:59:21 GMT -8
I had people on social media telling me that the investigation was over and that it was solved. I can't believe that some people just assumed that biased report was a 'one and done' deal and bought it hook line and sinker.
That's the sort of partisan censoring that is causing all of the problems we have in the world. It's not how science and the truth works.
It wouldn't surprise me if the world bands together to push for a deeper investigation into China and the origins of the virus. Hopefully the world continues to pressure China and the investigation becomes more exhaustive.
I think it's too big to cover up. Too many deaths and too many angry nations. And the relationship between WHO and China is like what they did with 5G and Huawei and ZTE. It's a sham. You can't trust China ever. Or Biden is just trying to show a little political acting and feigned 'resistance' to hedge his bets but will eventually accept whatever the investigation teams says and swallow it 'hook, line and sinker' because it's clean and easy.
One thing that never stops is Big Money. You will continue to see Big Money pushing for answers.
There is enough financial interest from health care providers who will be looking for compensation from China if they are at fault and they'll likely continue to push until they've exhausted all possible avenues of investigation. We're talking billions, if not TRILLIONS of dollars in health care costs that are going to need answers.
This is an interesting article from last August about possible various legal actions with China including suits that are already underway.
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 15, 2021 4:55:38 GMT -8
I think it's too big to cover up. Too many deaths and too many angry nations. And the relationship between WHO and China is like what they did with 5G and Huawei and ZTE. It's a sham. You can't trust China ever. Or Biden is just trying to show a little political acting and feigned 'resistance' to hedge his bets but will eventually accept whatever the investigation teams says and swallow it 'hook, line and sinker' because it's clean and easy.
One thing that never stops is Big Money. You will continue to see Big Money pushing for answers.
There is enough financial interest from health care providers who will be looking for compensation from China if they are at fault and they'll likely continue to push until they've exhausted all possible avenues of investigation. We're talking billions, if not TRILLIONS of dollars in health care costs that are going to need answers.
This is an interesting article from last August about possible various legal actions with China including suits that are already underway.
I clarification, though. It is healthcare insurance providers, including CMS...Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 8:21:18 GMT -8
Or Biden is just trying to show a little political acting and feigned 'resistance' to hedge his bets but will eventually accept whatever the investigation teams says and swallow it 'hook, line and sinker' because it's clean and easy.
One thing that never stops is Big Money. You will continue to see Big Money pushing for answers.
There is enough financial interest from health care providers who will be looking for compensation from China if they are at fault and they'll likely continue to push until they've exhausted all possible avenues of investigation. We're talking billions, if not TRILLIONS of dollars in health care costs that are going to need answers.
This is an interesting article from last August about possible various legal actions with China including suits that are already underway.
I clarification, though. It is healthcare insurance providers, including CMS...Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services. Do you have any insights into their efforts or how they are viewing the current WHO investigation into the origins of the virus? |
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 15, 2021 9:41:21 GMT -8
It never was, and is still not being viewed as germane.
The ACA is germane to the cost process for the healthcare insurance providers.
WHO has absolutely no authority by law or statute in that regard. It is useful to the political process, I am sure, but WHO is not going to pay our healthcare industry regardless of any outcome.
As you know I explained the process and issues on more than one occasion in the CGC thread. I have also elaborated more on the subject with you, when you asked.
A $Trillion not adjudicated, certainly makes teeth chatter in our healthcare world. The approach at this moment by our Government is to quiet the hounds, and use the money machine option to keep the healthcare industry intact, for now.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 9:48:08 GMT -8
It never was, and is still not being viewed as germane. The ACA is germane to the cost process for the healthcare insurance providers. WHO has absolutely no authority by law or statute in that regard. It is useful to the political process, I am sure, but WHO is not going to pay our healthcare industry regardless of any outcome. As you know I explained the process and issues on more than one occasion in the CGC thread. I have also elaborated more on the subject with you, when you asked. A $Trillion not adjudicated, certainly makes teeth chatter in our healthcare world. The approach at this moment by our Government is to quiet the hounds, and use the money machine option to keep the healthcare industry intact, for now. You did.
Almost $1Trillion and 61% of claims related to Covid still unadjudicated n US healthcare.
What I was asking was what legal recourse the healthcare industry would have towards pursing reparations from China. Would that be done through the US government as a legal action and are you saying the administration is looking to just print money at this point at to possibly push off the urgency to do a proper investigation?
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 15, 2021 10:12:42 GMT -8
It never was, and is still not being viewed as germane. The ACA is germane to the cost process for the healthcare insurance providers. WHO has absolutely no authority by law or statute in that regard. It is useful to the political process, I am sure, but WHO is not going to pay our healthcare industry regardless of any outcome. As you know I explained the process and issues on more than one occasion in the CGC thread. I have also elaborated more on the subject with you, when you asked. A $Trillion not adjudicated, certainly makes teeth chatter in our healthcare world. The approach at this moment by our Government is to quiet the hounds, and use the money machine option to keep the healthcare industry intact, for now. You did.
Almost $1Trillion and 61% of claims related to Covid still unadjudicated n US healthcare.
What I was asking was what legal recourse the healthcare industry would have towards pursing reparations from China. Would that be done through the US government as a legal action and are you saying the administration is looking to just print money at this point at to possibly push off the urgency to do a proper investigation?
As to the first question, I am far out of the range of knowledge of the legal tactics and methodology to be employed. Is it a subject of attention and intent to pursue? Absolutely. The documentation gathering has already started. It is important to note that ACA requires Healthcare insurance providers to spend 85% on healthcare. What exactly would your wildest guess be at this time as to percentage expended? No entity in the world would be seriously exploring the best path to economic recovery. How close is the healthcare insurance provider market, and healthcare providers(and subsequently the end user...the patient) to serious danger? Look around. As to the 2nd question, Delekkerste has been much more definitive than I, and the answer would be and is....yes, to the money printing. As to the 3rd. question, only POTUS and Congress can decide that, and given the track record, my guess is of course investigations will be used politically to calm the masses and distract the masses from the urgency of the serious implications. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 10:30:33 GMT -8
You did.
Almost $1Trillion and 61% of claims related to Covid still unadjudicated n US healthcare.
What I was asking was what legal recourse the healthcare industry would have towards pursing reparations from China. Would that be done through the US government as a legal action and are you saying the administration is looking to just print money at this point at to possibly push off the urgency to do a proper investigation?
As to the first question, I am far out of the range of knowledge of the legal tactics and methodology to be employed. Is it a subject of attention and intent to pursue? Absolutely. The documentation gathering has already started. It is important to note that ACA requires Healthcare insurance providers to spend 85% on healthcare. What exactly would your wildest guess be at this time as to percentage expended? No entity in the world would be seriously exploring the best path to economic recovery. How close is the healthcare insurance provider market, and healthcare providers(and subsequently the end user...the patient) to serious danger? Look around. As to the 2nd question, Delekkerste has been much more definitive than I, and the answer would be and is....yes, to the money printing. As to the 3rd. question, only POTUS and Congress can decide that, and given the track record, my guess is of course investigations will be used politically to calm the masses and distract the masses from the urgency of the serious implications.
In regards to percentage of health care dollars used, I'd say they're over extended and over 100% has been used. 
In regards to your last sentence, I fully agree.
While the news has some headlines today of Biden and Boris (UK) demanding more clarity from China, I expect it's just more posturing and it's really just a dog and pony show with no real teeth.
The time for a real investigation was yesterday (meaning the time is already past a year ago) and the one person who would have put a real push into a proper investigation is no longer in office and was labelled a racist for pushing for it while he was in office.
It seems that as long as many politicians have cushy chairs to sit in and nice restaurants to eat at what really happened doesn't matter.
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 15, 2021 11:11:05 GMT -8
Half again, would be a closer figure.
Medicare/Medicaid is stripped 2 to1.
$ will be pouring into the State coffers (and recently received the approval nod) from the federal arm to shore up the Medicaid shortage crisis.
Medicare is slowing down...again....reimbursement.
I don't have any idea of the $ damage to Medigap, except to note that it is a product of the usual open market healthcare insurance providers, and is an added portfolio of income. The safety line for the Medigap insurers, is they do not have to pay out until the Medicare adjudication is issued.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 15:32:14 GMT -8
I remember bringing up last year multiple times that Covid must have been in the West earlier than had been reported last spring. Sure enough, we are slowly finding earlier and earlier examples of Covid infections as time moves along.
I also posted that the Canadian Military Athletes got very sick at the Military games in Wuhan in Oct 2019, just two weeks before the outbreak was officially declared and that they had to quarantine 1/3 of the plane on the way back to Canada (many other athletes from around the world got sick as well) and none were ever tested for Covid.
It turns out that the WHO investigative team is now looking for more raw data from China and believes that the outbreak may have been both wider and earlier than originally believed.
Apparently there were at least a dozen (yes 12) strains already prevalent in Wuhan in December. 
From the article:
(CNN) -- Investigators from the World Health Organization (WHO) looking into the origins of coronavirus in China have discovered signs the outbreak was much wider in Wuhan in December 2019 than previously thought, and are urgently seeking access to hundreds of thousands of blood samples from the city that China has not so far let them examine.
The lead investigator for the WHO mission, Peter Ben Embarek, told CNN in a wide-ranging interview that the mission had found several signs of the more wide-ranging 2019 spread, including establishing for the first time there were over a dozen strains of the virus in Wuhan already in December. The team also had a chance to speak to the first patient Chinese officials said had been infected, an office worker in his 40s, with no travel history of note, reported infected on December 8.
The slow emergence of more detailed data gathered on the WHO's long-awaited trip into China may add to concerns voiced by other scientists studying the origins of the disease that it may have been spreading in China long before its first official emergence in mid-December.
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Post by barry on Feb 16, 2021 8:36:45 GMT -8
Fascinating. Florida, California see COVID-19 declines despite different approaches |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 16, 2021 9:09:36 GMT -8
Fascinating. Florida, California see COVID-19 declines despite different approaches I've been talking about this on the CGC forum for weeks and all the naysayers just keep plugging their fingers in their ears while hitting the moderation notification button. 
They argue that different measures in different states make the main difference in suppressing the virus.
When I pointed out that the number if infections per population seems to be directly correlated and consistent with state sizes they said there were too many variables to compare states to each other directly. 
So I said that if you can't compare states to each other to show how WELL they're doing then why is everyone comparing states to show how POORLY they're doing. Stu, THIS is what hypocrisy looks like. Take note! 
As it stands, Cali, Florida and Texas seem to have a direct correlation between population size and infection numbers per population despite all 3 states taking entirely different measures to battle the pandemic.
I heard Gov Desantis of Florida say yesterday that Florida with it's open schools is 33rd out of 50 states in student infections even though they've kept schools open while other states have kept schools closed.
This is no surprise since a peer reviewed study between Finland and Sweden has already proven that closing schools did not limit Covid infections among students and in fact MORE STUDENTS GOT COVID when schools were closed in Finland than when schools were open in Sweden. 
But you can't tell anyone anything if their minds are made up and they won't hear it. Which is how most people are when they have a vested interest in the outcome. Like all politicians.
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Post by Stu on Feb 16, 2021 9:14:31 GMT -8
Fascinating. Florida, California see COVID-19 declines despite different approaches I've been talking about this on the CGC forum for weeks and all the naysayers just keep plugging their fingers in their ears while hitting the moderation notification button. They argue that different measures in different states make the main difference in suppressing the virus.
When I pointed out that the number if infections per population seems to be directly correlated and consistent with state sizes they said there were too many variables to compare states to each other directly. So I said that if you can't compare states to each other to show how WELL they're doing then why is everyone comparing states to show how POORLY they're doing. Stu, THIS is what hypocrisy looks like. Take note! As it stands, Cali, Florida and Texas seem to have a direct correlation between population size and infection numbers per population despite all 3 states taking entirely different measures to battle the pandemic.
I heard Gov Desantis of Florida say yesterday that Florida with it's open schools is 33rd out of 50 states in student infections even though they've kept schools open while other states have kept schools closed. This is no surprise since a peer reviewed study between Finland and Sweden has already proven that closing schools did not limit Covid infections among students and in fact MORE STUDENTS GOT COVID when schools were closed in Finland than when schools were open in Sweden. But you can't tell anyone anything if their minds are made up and they won't hear it. Which is how most people are when they have a vested interest in the outcome. Like all politicians.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 17, 2021 10:13:52 GMT -8
There's been some talk of this and it's going to be interesting to see if world leaders leverage the Beijing 2022 Olympic games to get more answers on the pandemic from China.
China has not really been forthcoming with info on the pandemic and has no real reasons to co-operate unless there is outward financial pressure persuading them to do so. The Olympic games may be one avenue of persuasion.
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Post by Stu on Feb 17, 2021 11:22:00 GMT -8
There's been some talk of this and it's going to be interesting to see if world leaders leverage the Beijing 2022 Olympic games to get more answers on the pandemic from China.
China has not really been forthcoming with info on the pandemic and has no real reasons to co-operate unless there is outward financial pressure persuading them to do so. The Olympic games may be one avenue of persuasion. What a gigantic waste of time and money the Olympics are. The US should just stop participating in them, especially with the pandemic. Do we really need the Olympics to prove how awesome we are? We already have all the best sports, you floppers can keep your soccer. |
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I can't believe that some people just assumed that biased report was a 'one and done' deal and bought it hook line and sinker. 
