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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 25, 2021 10:44:11 GMT -8
So, just as expected the tide is starting to turn slowly now that the election in the US is over. Dave (davidpg) told me about 6 months ago that as soon as the elections are over everything will change and that the pandemic would be over. He was right.
The vaccine was completed just days after Biden was elected (what a co-incidence) Cuomo has decided to reopen NYC after 'talking tough' about staying shut down until a vaccine gets here.
There is a new peer reviewed study about how lockdowns are not as effective as they were hoped to be (Lucky Baru posted these on the CGC chat forum)
Article about the study.
All of this political hypocrisy can be summed up with one picture....is there any easy way to post pictures here?
So, now that the election is over it seems that the left, which was attacking Trump for his handling of the pandemic and were hard core about locking down, seem to be rolling over and going back on everything they've been harping about for the past year.
On top of the above, the following is happening:
Even though cases are MULTIPLE times higher than they were last summer when they closed indoor dining, etc.
Apparently, even though cases are raging in all major cities and the US just posted record deaths areas in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C. and Michigan are reopening for indoor dining.
Is there any other way to view this other than that the virus was politicized and used against the people and now that Trump has been defeated there is no more need to politicize it?
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Also interesting to note that the WHO has recently stated that PCR tests are showing false positives and that PCR tests need to be 'interpreted' along with other information and just just used as an automatic positive infection statistic. What timing again!
From the paper:
WHO guidance Diagnostic testing for SARS-CoV-2 states that careful interpretation of weak positive results is needed (1). The cycle threshold (Ct) needed to detect virus is inversely proportional to the patient’s viral load. Where test results do not correspond with the clinical presentation, a new specimen should be taken and retested using the same or different NAT technology.
WHO reminds IVD users that disease prevalence alters the predictive value of test results; as disease prevalence decreases, the risk of false positive increases (2). This means that the probability that a person who has a positive result (SARS-CoV-2 detected) is truly infected with SARS-CoV-2 decreases as prevalence decreases, irrespective of the claimed specificity.
Most PCR assays are indicated as an aid for diagnosis, therefore, health care providers must consider any result in combination with timing of sampling, specimen type, assay specifics, clinical observations, patient history, confirmed status of any contacts, and epidemiological information.
Unless I'm misunderstanding this, it means that a positive result from a test doesn't necessarily mean a positive infection and that the less symptomatic the patient being tested, the more chance that the test is a false positive. Am I wrong about this?
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Post by steveinthecity on Jan 25, 2021 12:30:43 GMT -8
Two points I have thoughts on: Governor Newsome’s announcement isn’t any type of huge change in the overall scheme, it just means individual counties will go about making and enforcing their own Covid related restrictions as had been the case up to six or seven(or eight?) weeks ago in CA. ICU capacities have apparently leveled off and returned to below the demarcated line that was crossed earlier when the “Stay at home” order was initiated.
Second, a “false positive” being seen in someone asymptomatic or “less symptomatic” should result in an equal number percentage wise if I’m doing the math correctly. I don’t recall hearing or reading about this with any more specificity.
Overall, I don’t believe the lockdowns were any more effective than they were because of contradictory policies, lack of compliance, and the inability or interest in enforcing regulations. The “lockdown” on paper looks great, but in practices has/had too many holes.
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Post by steveinthecity on Jan 25, 2021 12:41:43 GMT -8
 Sorry, I missed this before. You’ll need a file sharing site to create a link or you can use an image url directly from a picture you find online. There’s a little portrait icon in the list above, 8th from the right, that you can enter a url directly. Hope that made sense. Edit: Below is the comment I’m trying to reply to. For some reason it keeps vanishing from the quote box above when I hit “enter” or “save”. Weird.  “All of this political hypocrisy can be summed up with one picture....is there any easy way to post pictures here?”
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 25, 2021 17:37:09 GMT -8
A) Two points I have thoughts on: Governor Newsome’s announcement isn’t any type of huge change in the overall scheme, it just means individual counties will go about making and enforcing their own Covid related restrictions as had been the case up to six or seven(or eight?) weeks ago in CA. ICU capacities have apparently leveled off and returned to below the demarcated line that was crossed earlier when the “Stay at home” order was initiated. B) Second, a “false positive” being seen in someone asymptomatic or “less symptomatic” should result in an equal number percentage wise if I’m doing the math correctly. I don’t recall hearing or reading about this with any more specificity. C) Overall, I don’t believe the lockdowns were any more effective than they were because of contradictory policies, lack of compliance, and the inability or interest in enforcing regulations. The “lockdown” on paper looks great, but in practices has/had too many holes. A) The arrival of the vaccine, the surge of reopenings and their timing across the entire country as well as the WHO rolling back sensitivity to determine number of actual positive cases are all indicative of how politcized this pandemic has been. It has very little to do with 'the science' and much more to do with making trump look bad...and for that little game, people are paying with their lives and livelihoods.
And here's the kicker. David told me it was all going to happen last summer.  So he's either got a time machine or he saw something most people didn't.
B) Not sure exactly what you mean here when you say it "should result in an equal number percentage wise if I’m doing the math correctly." The document is stating that not all positive results are positive statistics and that the less symptoms, the less positive the interpretive result is.
C) Nor do I believe they were any more effective. And that's what I've been arguing over on the CGC chat forum for months now...but they all insist that they are. Even when scientific studies contradict them. 
This is what hypocrisy looks like (and this is the picture I wanted to post last week).
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Post by Goony the Bootlicker on Jan 25, 2021 22:10:43 GMT -8
Hello people out there in this comical book type internet communication forum. Over on the other forum Stu invited me to come over here and say hello to Vintage Comics. Hi, Roy!  I decided I might as well do that and I could also use this opportunity to join in and become bestest good friends with Stu while I'm here. He was just pooper scoopered from the other forum again, so where can I find my new buddy? Where are you Stu?  Is it really you? 
Or are you just Stu but high and friendly?
Stu is on vacation for saying he wanted to punch me and Calamerica.
 And I would have thought my new best good friend Stu would have learned his lesson about violence by now. I once saw somebody punch him right in the uterus. The poor guy had to stand up to pee for a week. |
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 5:56:54 GMT -8
Two points I have thoughts on: Governor Newsome’s announcement isn’t any type of huge change in the overall scheme, it just means individual counties will go about making and enforcing their own Covid related restrictions as had been the case up to six or seven(or eight?) weeks ago in CA. ICU capacities have apparently leveled off and returned to below the demarcated line that was crossed earlier when the “Stay at home” order was initiated. Second, a “false positive” being seen in someone asymptomatic or “less symptomatic” should result in an equal number percentage wise if I’m doing the math correctly. I don’t recall hearing or reading about this with any more specificity. Overall, I don’t believe the lockdowns were any more effective than they were because of contradictory policies, lack of compliance, and the inability or interest in enforcing regulations. The “lockdown” on paper looks great, but in practices has/had too many holes. i do not think the math is correct, steve. in fact, i am sure it is not. it is not a math issue...it is a faulty procedure issue and faulty equipment issue and faulty data issue, and a starting point of approximately 55% reliance issue to start with. it is not a you need a new tire for that flat tire that is shredded and won't hold air anymore. it is a change all the darn airbags from that manufacturer, because none can be trusted, and all these darn testing billings are not going to be paid until we straighten it out issue. as to governor newsome, i have never, truly never, heard him proclaim anything that was or is a huge change in any scheme about anything. he is just another politician using the california to the presidency roadway, that fell on his face. i do not consider him competent in the position, and certainly not attentive to his constituency. he has a bit of a spit in your eye, papers edge to him, that is the hallmark of his insincerity that has always plagued him. setting aside what you describe as contradictory policies, and i am not disagreeing with you, 25 million Californians did not all stop wearing masks. all the masks in the world will not stop a person from contracting the virus. is anybody wearing procedure gloves and changing them and or sanitizing them after touching anything? is anybody wearing safety earmuffs 24/7? is anybody changing air filters wherever they live, work, or play on a daily (everyday) basis? are the filters rated for .0000003 microns/parts per million? did everybody stop sneezing in private and stop and burn a napkin or their coat sleeve or the shirt sleeve or their sweater sleeve when they did? is everybody washing their clothes and shoes and their dog/cat/parrot every day? is everybody wearing a procedure head covering that cover the eyes and forehead and hair 24/7? is everybody sanitizing their automobile very time it is used? i agree, the lockdowns are/were not effective. for the reason i just stated. i almost forgot....that loaf of bread or vegetable or frozen dinner or candy bar or soft drink or carton of milk or package of cheese or package of lunchmeat that someone just handled in the grocery store and then put back after reading the ingredients and/or changing their mind about wanting it....was it sanitized or thrown away afterwards? or, did somebody else touch it? |
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 8:33:33 GMT -8
i do not understand the good dr. fauci. now he states that wearing 2 masks would be better and afford more protection?
6 physicians and nurses this a.m. all said wtf?
now that is confusing information to give to the public, and not timed very well. i am concerned he is going a bit overboard with the celebrity status thing, appearing on these various media non-journalism journalism shows. maddow, fox and cnn and radio all within the last 24 hours? really, he is emulating stardom a bit to much for my taste. it sort of lowers the respect quotient a little.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 26, 2021 9:43:35 GMT -8
Two points I have thoughts on: Governor Newsome’s announcement isn’t any type of huge change in the overall scheme, it just means individual counties will go about making and enforcing their own Covid related restrictions as had been the case up to six or seven(or eight?) weeks ago in CA. ICU capacities have apparently leveled off and returned to below the demarcated line that was crossed earlier when the “Stay at home” order was initiated. Second, a “false positive” being seen in someone asymptomatic or “less symptomatic” should result in an equal number percentage wise if I’m doing the math correctly. I don’t recall hearing or reading about this with any more specificity. Overall, I don’t believe the lockdowns were any more effective than they were because of contradictory policies, lack of compliance, and the inability or interest in enforcing regulations. The “lockdown” on paper looks great, but in practices has/had too many holes. i do not think the math is correct, steve. in fact, i am sure it is not. it is not a math issue...it is a faulty procedure issue and faulty equipment issue and faulty data issue, and a starting point of approximately 55% reliance issue to start with. A) and all these darn testing billings are not going to be paid until we straighten it out issue. B) as to governor newsome, i have never, truly never, heard him proclaim anything that was or is a huge change in any scheme about anything. he is just another politician using the california to the presidency roadway, that fell on his face. i do not consider him competent in the position, and certainly not attentive to his constituency. he has a bit of a spit in your eye, papers edge to him, that is the hallmark of his insincerity that has always plagued him. A) Are you saying that there is resistance with paying medical expenses by insurance companies because it isn't fully clear which Covid tests (and treatments) are positive?
B) Newsom is a lifer politician like Clinton. I heard he comes from a family that goes back nearly 80 years in politics and yes, he's a bald faced liar. That photo of him sitting in a restaurant after ordering restaurants closed should be the poster child of the pandemic for Californians.
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 9:44:15 GMT -8
Hello people out there in this comical book type internet communication forum. Over on the other forum Stu invited me to come over here and say hello to Vintage Comics. Hi, Roy! I decided I might as well do that and I could also use this opportunity to join in and become bestest good friends with Stu while I'm here. He was just pooper scoopered from the other forum again, so where can I find my new buddy? Where are you Stu? i have been informed that this most likely is not stu, because the post is much more eloquent and witty than what stu would post and is probably a member that stu tried to get moderation to remove on the cgc moderation board this morning, by claiming bugaboo is a previously banned member at cgc and stated the past and present board names of bugaboo that were used/are being used on cgc boards. (full disclosure: i notified cgc moderation concerning his post and it was removed). if so, then i apologize to bugaboo for assuming he was stu and/or using the bugaboo name, and i also apologize to moderation here for notifying moderation that this may be stu. i did not want to knowingly waste the time of moderation here. |
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 9:47:05 GMT -8
i do not think the math is correct, steve. in fact, i am sure it is not. it is not a math issue...it is a faulty procedure issue and faulty equipment issue and faulty data issue, and a starting point of approximately 55% reliance issue to start with. A) and all these darn testing billings are not going to be paid until we straighten it out issue. B) as to governor newsome, i have never, truly never, heard him proclaim anything that was or is a huge change in any scheme about anything. he is just another politician using the california to the presidency roadway, that fell on his face. i do not consider him competent in the position, and certainly not attentive to his constituency. he has a bit of a spit in your eye, papers edge to him, that is the hallmark of his insincerity that has always plagued him. A) Are you saying that there is resistance with paying medical expenses by insurance companies because it isn't fully clear which Covid tests (and treatments) are positive?
B) Newsom is a lifer politician like Clinton. I heard he comes from a family that goes back nearly 80 years in politics and yes, he's a bald faced liar. That photo of him sitting in a restaurant after ordering restaurants closed should be the poster child of the pandemic for Californians.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 26, 2021 10:10:15 GMT -8
A) Are you saying that there is resistance with paying medical expenses by insurance companies because it isn't fully clear which Covid tests (and treatments) are positive? a) yes.
I remember you telling me about the adjudication process and that this past year had a record number of 61% of Covid related claims are still in adjudication.
Does that mean that even though the headlines are showing these statistics as fact and binary (positive / negative) the source of the statistics, which is the actual medical billing and insurance industry in the US, is still disputing them?
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 10:19:34 GMT -8
yes. of course. business is business. 900 billion is not going to be sent out the door because somebody says: i told you that is what it was.
that is not how it works. after this process, then adjudication decisions will be reviewed by the u.s. government, because....the u.s. government insinuated the u.s. government into the adjudication process by agreeing to pay for covid associated health care. when all is said and done, the healthcare industry is not going to be
waking up with empty pockets. the u.s. government (the people) will.
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Post by barry on Jan 26, 2021 10:34:12 GMT -8
Regeneron's antibody cocktail effective in preventing Covid-19, company says
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Post by parker1865 on Jan 26, 2021 11:30:32 GMT -8
Regeneron's antibody cocktail effective in preventing Covid-19, company says
a not trick question: it has been being used in hospitals for a few months now, and as a treatment upon presentation of symptoms. so: why did persons that received the treatment die? not one or 2 or 3 or 4. many. way up there. $$? co-morbidities? |
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Post by barry on Jan 26, 2021 15:42:44 GMT -8
Regeneron's antibody cocktail effective in preventing Covid-19, company says
a not trick question: it has been being used in hospitals for a few months now, and as a treatment upon presentation of symptoms. so: why did persons that received the treatment die? not one or 2 or 3 or 4. many. way up there. $$? co-morbidities? I wasn't aware of that. The article makes it appear very safe with the only death in the control group and none in the treatment group. But it also mentions 3 late-stage trials without further information. |
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So he's either got a time machine or he saw something most people didn't. 
