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Post by Cat on Dec 27, 2023 22:25:40 GMT -8
I disagree with this completely
the details you are leaving out (which you started to include with this post) are the heart of what everyone else is saying (negative about you)
of course to you they are not important but that's where the disagreement lies between your version and theirs (again it's more than one person)
for the record what you did wasn't wrong, I think the problem is how you did it
it speaks of your character (in their eyes and unfortunately in mine as well if it's true)
so forgive me but the devil is in the details
and I think I know you well enough now that I believe what was said about you is true
Which details am I leaving out?  I was there and there are witnesses so it's not just my word. ALL THREE OF US agree on the story. None of the people talking trash were there. They heard everything 2nd hand and the story was spread by a bunch of jealous dealers who thought they were going to have a shot at the books. Every step of our deal was above board, we worked out all the details favorably, nothing was forced, nothing was pushed, the deal was cut peacefully and there were no hard feelings or problems until people started gossipping. After that the floodgates opened. After the gossip started the selling dealer even confirmed that our deal was still good. Y'all accuse me of posting fake news about Covid, but now you're running with news like this.   "It wasn't a problem until other people alerted the guy I'd ripped him off, okay? Why couldn't they have just left it alone?" BTW Roy, you think that headline is wacky, for us it's just another Thursday post from you. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 28, 2023 7:33:10 GMT -8
Which details am I leaving out? I was there and there are witnesses so it's not just my word. ALL THREE OF US agree on the story. None of the people talking trash were there. They heard everything 2nd hand and the story was spread by a bunch of jealous dealers who thought they were going to have a shot at the books. Every step of our deal was above board, we worked out all the details favorably, nothing was forced, nothing was pushed, the deal was cut peacefully and there were no hard feelings or problems until people started gossipping. After that the floodgates opened. After the gossip started the selling dealer even confirmed that our deal was still good. Y'all accuse me of posting fake news about Covid, but now you're running with news like this. "It wasn't a problem until other people alerted the guy I'd ripped him off, okay? Why couldn't they have just left it alone?" BTW Roy, you think that headline is wacky, for us it's just another Thursday post from you. Cat, I just saw in the Jimjum12 thread that you have a need for medications and have trouble affording them. I didn't realize you were ill, so for that reason I'm going to stop arguing with you. Hope all is well. |
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 9:21:29 GMT -8
This is supercalifragilisticexpialidocious !
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Post by Prince Namor on Dec 28, 2023 9:30:56 GMT -8
i would tell him what the book is worth i.e. what he should ask, what he should take and/or get for it and what i would pay for it
one time he had a strangers in paradise 1 1st print book that i told him i would like to buy and he asked what it's worth and i told him and he sold it to me for half that because of the relationship we've built over time
i can't tell you the number of times i've corrected someone i know because i would rather them know who they are dealing with for both good and bad prices (like when i tell them something they have is overpriced), karma is a real thing
honor and integrity i learned a long time ago are huge in this community, once word gets out you have neither, good luck
My ex's dad was an international tradesman. His job was to source things. One day a client of his told him they needed a special resin. The resin was very expensive. I think it was like $10K a shot. My ex's dad found the resin IN THE SAME BUILDING as the client. So my ex's dad bought the resin, had it shipped to himself, then turned around and shipped it to the client for a good profit. Do you think my ex's dad should have told the client that the resin was a few floors away for cheaper?
You did that to another DEALER that you said is well known and respected. You did it face to face. You essentially LIED to his face but ommitting information you knew, so you could get a better deal.
In everything you say about this, you are CONFIRMING exactly what people think of you. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Dec 28, 2023 9:50:24 GMT -8
My ex's dad was an international tradesman. His job was to source things. One day a client of his told him they needed a special resin. The resin was very expensive. I think it was like $10K a shot. My ex's dad found the resin IN THE SAME BUILDING as the client. So my ex's dad bought the resin, had it shipped to himself, then turned around and shipped it to the client for a good profit. Do you think my ex's dad should have told the client that the resin was a few floors away for cheaper?
You did that to another DEALER that you said is well known and respected. You did it face to face. You essentially LIED to his face but ommitting information you knew, so you could get a better deal.
In everything you say about this, you are CONFIRMING exactly what people think of you. He is not the only dealer / flipper guilty of trying to get the best deal. We had someone on the CGC boards score a Batman Adventures 12 at a small / local con in a .50 cent box and then bragged how he haggled him down to .25 cents. He ended up selling the book for 4 figures and absolutely knew he was getting over on the dealer. The issue here is Vintage's need for attention and making everything about himself. Did he get over on the dealer...highly likely, but if he were a normal person and hadn't been trying to make himself the center of attention, this likely would've gone down as just another story. |
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 10:23:14 GMT -8
My ex's dad was an international tradesman. His job was to source things. One day a client of his told him they needed a special resin. The resin was very expensive. I think it was like $10K a shot. My ex's dad found the resin IN THE SAME BUILDING as the client. So my ex's dad bought the resin, had it shipped to himself, then turned around and shipped it to the client for a good profit. Do you think my ex's dad should have told the client that the resin was a few floors away for cheaper?
You did that to another DEALER that you said is well known and respected. You did it face to face. You essentially LIED to his face but ommitting information you knew, so you could get a better deal.
In everything you say about this, you are CONFIRMING exactly what people think of you. And even haggled down the ask. That is the most laughable part of all. Anyone want to know how and when and where Roy is at NYCC? All you have to do is be in front of a table with your back to the floor, or be sifting through boxes and you will hear other dealers say, "(Expletive of your choice) It's Roy. Just smile." or something like that. But all of these people are haters and backstabbers. Yeah, okay there. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Dec 28, 2023 10:41:03 GMT -8
He provided a service for a client. Different scenario.
You did that to another DEALER that you said is well known and respected. You did it face to face. You essentially LIED to his face but ommitting information you knew, so you could get a better deal.
In everything you say about this, you are CONFIRMING exactly what people think of you. And even haggled down the ask. That is the most laughable part of all. Anyone want to know how and when and where Roy is at NYCC? All you have to do is be in front of a table with your back to the floor, or be sifting through boxes and you will hear other dealers say, "(Expletive of your choice) It's Roy. Just smile." or something like that. But all of these people are haters and backstabbers. Yeah, okay there. I have 100% heard iterations of the above said at conventions around the US. That being said, most have no issue taking his money. I think I have only heard of one national dealer from Houston, TX refusing to sell to him. I think it says quite a lot about Vintage when people are happy that the above happened. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 28, 2023 10:48:15 GMT -8
And even haggled down the ask. That is the most laughable part of all. Anyone want to know how and when and where Roy is at NYCC? All you have to do is be in front of a table with your back to the floor, or be sifting through boxes and you will hear other dealers say, "(Expletive of your choice) It's Roy. Just smile." or something like that. But all of these people are haters and backstabbers. Yeah, okay there. There's nothing wrong with haggling especially when all the risk is on the buyer. It's common practice among almost all dealers, but most actually nickel and dime far worse than just 10%. In a situation like that, where the buyer assumes all the risk and the seller assumes none, negotiation is an expected part of the business. If someone is buying slabbed books and getting a known quality, it would have been a very different deal, but with raw books ALL the risk is on the buyer. If the buyer misses a popped staple or some other defect, it's ALL ON THE BUYER. In capitalism a deal is always a negotiation and if the two can't agree on terms, a deal isn't met. In tyranny and communism, it's when one person pushes the values onto the other person, which is what you actually are espousing. The seller was not a novice, had all the info they needed and willingly agreed to do the deal. That's all that matters. |
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 11:29:27 GMT -8
And even haggled down the ask. That is the most laughable part of all. Anyone want to know how and when and where Roy is at NYCC? All you have to do is be in front of a table with your back to the floor, or be sifting through boxes and you will hear other dealers say, "(Expletive of your choice) It's Roy. Just smile." or something like that. But all of these people are haters and backstabbers. Yeah, okay there. There's nothing wrong with haggling especially when all the risk is on the buyer. It's common practice among almost all dealers, but most actually nickel and dime far worse than just 10%. In a situation like that, where the buyer assumes all the risk and the seller assumes none, negotiation is an expected part of the business. If someone is buying slabbed books and getting a known quality, it would have been a very different deal, but with raw books ALL the risk is on the buyer. If the buyer misses a popped staple or some other defect, it's ALL ON THE BUYER. In capitalism a deal is always a negotiation and if the two can't agree on terms, a deal isn't met. In tyranny and communism, it's when one person pushes the values onto the other person, which is what you actually are espousing. The seller was not a novice, had all the info they needed and willingly agreed to do the deal. That's all that matters. Not what I heard but whatever. I do not trust you. Seems that many people around the United States do not trust you either. I would never do business with you. I came close a couple of times actually. I came real close. I am glad I didn't. Based on our interaction over the last month and personal experiences between you and I alone, I will never do business with you. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 28, 2023 11:32:34 GMT -8
The seller was not a novice, had all the info they needed and willingly agreed to do the deal. That's all that matters. Not what I heard but whatever. |
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Post by kav on Dec 28, 2023 11:33:49 GMT -8
It seems to me if the seller sold books that later got an additional 45% and the next person to buy the books made "a ton", then the seller was a novice and objectively had NO IDEA what the books were worth.
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Post by quantumcomics on Dec 28, 2023 11:39:15 GMT -8
A 6 month ban on the CGC boards has just come down for Vintage and this is the first time I've ever seen a cumulative ban that doesn't single out a specific incident. This combined with his last suspension which was 3 months means he'll have been suspended from the CGC boards for 9 out of 12 months...combining that with his multiple suspensions as the pandemic was going on makes me wonder what one has to do to actually get permanently banned.
Who here actually thinks that the 9 months off from posting there will make him reflect on his behavior?
Who here thinks this will actually make him triple down and believe he's always right and always persecuted?
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 11:39:59 GMT -8
Not what I heard but whatever. Enjoy your front seat on the patio until June. |
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 11:42:05 GMT -8
Roy: "I never notify posts"
Mike: Roy has reported on over 20 posts in under 48 hours.
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Post by quantumcomics on Dec 28, 2023 11:46:07 GMT -8
It seems to me if the seller sold books that later got an additional 45% and the next person to buy the books made "a ton", then the seller was a novice and objectively had NO IDEA what the books were worth. The bottom line is that the dealer undergraded and undervalued the books and the person who's better at grading than 99.9% of people in the hobby did nothing to dissuade him...even though he had a strong suspicion that the books would grade out much better and therefore cha ching. I know what he paid for the group of books and I know what the #1 sold for and if I were that dealer I would've thrown up, several times. Life changing money for a lot of people. |
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