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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 11:35:22 GMT -8
It's "your". I do not consider countries under the rule of a fascist state as socialist, you do. We can agree to disagree but I'll capitulate if that means we can move to how this matters for the US. Since you still deny the truth that has been cited to you from several independent sources, all of which clearly contradict your claim that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were "hardly" Socialist, and instead you still claim the sources I cited were wrong and that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were actually "fascist" governments, but supply no corroborating evidence of such a claim, then why would there be any point in discussing anything factual with you from this point forward?? Everything you claimed about the definition and economic status of the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations are simply your opinions - opinions that are universally contradicted by virtually all reputable sources cited on socialism and socialist countries. If you can make up any definition of what a socialist country is and is not, with no independent reliable reference to support your claim - then why should I try to engage you in discussing this topic whereby you just change the widely-held definition when it doesn't suit your opinion? You say you'll capitulate "if" it means we can move on with the discussion... not "if" you are proven wrong, not "if" the truth contradicts you, you just want to move on to the next statement where you will, in all likelihood, just continue to make up your own definitions based on your own opinions and claim everyone else is wrong. That's no discussion. I guess he never heard of the USSR the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 30, 2023 11:43:18 GMT -8
Since you still deny the truth that has been cited to you from several independent sources, all of which clearly contradict your claim that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were "hardly" Socialist, and instead you still claim the sources I cited were wrong and that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were actually "fascist" governments, but supply no corroborating evidence of such a claim, then why would there be any point in discussing anything factual with you from this point forward?? Everything you claimed about the definition and economic status of the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations are simply your opinions - opinions that are universally contradicted by virtually all reputable sources cited on socialism and socialist countries. If you can make up any definition of what a socialist country is and is not, with no independent reliable reference to support your claim - then why should I try to engage you in discussing this topic whereby you just change the widely-held definition when it doesn't suit your opinion? You say you'll capitulate "if" it means we can move on with the discussion... not "if" you are proven wrong, not "if" the truth contradicts you, you just want to move on to the next statement where you will, in all likelihood, just continue to make up your own definitions based on your own opinions and claim everyone else is wrong. That's no discussion. I guess he never heard of the USSR the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. He has. He defines them as "fascist", not "socialist". When one can make up any definition and apply it to anything one wants, discussions are pointless because truth has been jettisoned and replaced with opinion. Such is the case when discussing almost anything with liberals. They discard objective truth for their own opinion, thus making themselves the source of truth, i.e. they become their own "God". |
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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 11:45:11 GMT -8
I guess he never heard of the USSR the UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS. He has. He defines them as "fascist", not "socialist". When one can make up any definition and apply it to anything one wants, discussions are pointless because truth has been jettisoned and replaced with opinion. Such is the case when discussing almost anything with liberals. They discard objective truth for their own opinion, thus making themselves the source of truth, i.e. they become their own "God". Should I add that to my list of liberal debate strategies? "Change the meanings of words so youre right every time". |
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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 11:46:42 GMT -8
I guess thats how libs can push socialism and say 'its never been tried'-they merely change the meaning every time it gets tried-
Always wondered how they could mentally gyrate out of that one.
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Post by jcjames on Mar 30, 2023 11:48:43 GMT -8
He has. He defines them as "fascist", not "socialist". When one can make up any definition and apply it to anything one wants, discussions are pointless because truth has been jettisoned and replaced with opinion. Such is the case when discussing almost anything with liberals. They discard objective truth for their own opinion, thus making themselves the source of truth, i.e. they become their own "God". Should I add that to my list of liberal debate strategies? "Change the meanings of words so youre right every time". Pretty much! <GrammarNazi> And it's "you're" not "youre". That makes a big difference here dontcha know! </GrammarNazi> |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 11:49:04 GMT -8
Your argument is that the USSR wasn't a fascist state?
OK, I'll agree with whatever you 2 bozos want if we can just get the the meat of the matter and discuss why you both believe that the US is somehow turning into the USSR or any of the countries under its thumb.
Or we can just go around in circles arguing semantics and one of you can publicly fellate himself over "owning da libs".
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 11:49:50 GMT -8
He has. He defines them as "fascist", not "socialist". When one can make up any definition and apply it to anything one wants, discussions are pointless because truth has been jettisoned and replaced with opinion. Such is the case when discussing almost anything with liberals. They discard objective truth for their own opinion, thus making themselves the source of truth, i.e. they become their own "God". Should I add that to my list of liberal debate strategies? "Change the meanings of words so youre right every time". Sure, lets start with "insurrection" being defined as a "guided tour". |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 11:50:46 GMT -8
Should I add that to my list of liberal debate strategies? "Change the meanings of words so youre right every time". Pretty much! <GrammarNazi> And it's "you're" not "youre". That makes a big difference here dontcha know! </GrammarNazi> Words matter to some of us. If you're a real Doctor ( allegedly ) I would think words would matter quite a bit. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 30, 2023 11:51:15 GMT -8
I guess thats how libs can push socialism and say 'its never been tried'-they merely change the meaning every time it gets tried- Always wondered how they could mentally gyrate out of that one.  |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 11:52:02 GMT -8
It's "your". I do not consider countries under the rule of a fascist state as socialist, you do. We can agree to disagree but I'll capitulate if that means we can move to how this matters for the US. Since you still deny the truth that has been cited to you from several independent sources, all of which clearly contradict your claim that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were "hardly" Socialist, and instead you still claim the sources I cited were wrong and that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were actually "fascist" governments, but supply no corroborating evidence of such a claim, then why would there be any point in discussing anything factual with you from this point forward?? Everything you claimed about the definition and economic status of the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations are simply your opinions - opinions that are universally contradicted by virtually all reputable sources cited on socialism and socialist countries. If you can make up any definition of what a socialist country is and is not, with no independent reliable reference to support your claim - then why should I try to engage you in discussing this topic whereby you just change the widely-held definition when it doesn't suit your opinion? You say you'll capitulate "if" it means we can move on with the discussion... not "if" you are proven wrong, not "if" the truth contradicts you, you just want to move on to the next statement where you will, in all likelihood, just continue to make up your own definitions based on your own opinions and claim everyone else is wrong. That's no discussion. My apologies, what was I thinking. You guys love Russia now for some reason. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 11:53:21 GMT -8
I guess thats how libs can push socialism and say 'its never been tried'-they merely change the meaning every time it gets tried- Always wondered how they could mentally gyrate out of that one. So again I'll ask. How does this relate to the US and why do you think we're turning into the USSR? |
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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 11:55:56 GMT -8
Your argument is that the USSR wasn't a fascist state? OK, I'll agree with whatever you 2 bozos want if we can just get the the meat of the matter and discuss why you both believe that the US is somehow turning into the USSR or any of the countries under its thumb. Or we can just go around in circles arguing semantics and one of you can publicly fellate himself over "owning da libs". all socialist states become fascist-didnt you get the memo? |
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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 11:57:04 GMT -8
Since you still deny the truth that has been cited to you from several independent sources, all of which clearly contradict your claim that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were "hardly" Socialist, and instead you still claim the sources I cited were wrong and that the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations were actually "fascist" governments, but supply no corroborating evidence of such a claim, then why would there be any point in discussing anything factual with you from this point forward?? Everything you claimed about the definition and economic status of the USSR and Eastern Bloc nations are simply your opinions - opinions that are universally contradicted by virtually all reputable sources cited on socialism and socialist countries. If you can make up any definition of what a socialist country is and is not, with no independent reliable reference to support your claim - then why should I try to engage you in discussing this topic whereby you just change the widely-held definition when it doesn't suit your opinion? You say you'll capitulate "if" it means we can move on with the discussion... not "if" you are proven wrong, not "if" the truth contradicts you, you just want to move on to the next statement where you will, in all likelihood, just continue to make up your own definitions based on your own opinions and claim everyone else is wrong. That's no discussion. My apologies, what was I thinking. You guys love Russia now for some reason. Dont make me add another liberal debate strategy- "Assign things to your opponent they never said" Russia is a monster. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 30, 2023 12:16:54 GMT -8
Your argument is that the USSR wasn't a fascist state? OK, I'll agree with whatever you 2 bozos want if we can just get the the meat of the matter and discuss why you both believe that the US is somehow turning into the USSR or any of the countries under its thumb. Or we can just go around in circles arguing semantics and one of you can publicly fellate himself over "owning da libs". all socialist states become fascist-didnt you get the memo?  |
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Post by kav on Mar 30, 2023 12:19:37 GMT -8
all socialist states become fascist-didnt you get the memo? I know you changed the words in your head so it doesnt fit but ussr china venezuela et al - examples socialist and completely fascist. dont make me add yet ANOTHER liberal debate strategy. When you have no rebuttal post a |
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