However, if I'm looking for an old comic online I will go to graded first. And the whole Newton Rings thing going with these new CGC cases is a bad deal if you get something not in the upper 9 range as you might not be able to see why a comic is lower grade.
I wonder if CBCS has this Newton Rings issue? I'll check that out this weekend.
The after pictures aren't all that great :: yet it sounds like this is supposed to appease people? I'm sure they'll fix this, but for now I have to label (pun intended) this a failure. There are other aspects to the new slab that many say they approve of (I think the grade number font is too big) so I'll guess things will smooth out.
I, and others I've read, are saying we would not purchase the new slabs with this problem because it's hard to tell Newton's ring from foxing, and for collectors who crack books out it's become a crap shoot hoping defects won't be discovered after the crack. Curious to see how it affects prices overall.
It looks like many of the new submissions are coming back with slight waviness on the top edge as well. The Newton Rings just made the books looks weird, but now this is actually making the book do something. But many of the loyalists are saying the Newton Ring effect has "improved". For my money, "improved" would have to mean "no longer an issue".
As a casual observer of this new launch, I'd have to say it appears as though they rushed into their response to having real competition.
And I don't like the look of the labels, either fwiw
Has anyone else received any books in the new slab? From what I'm hearing, the newton effect has become a pretty common issue. On older books, many people are seeing waviness in the books at the top and bottom. It sounds like a lot of the vintage guys are steering away from the new slabs until CGC gets things ironed out.
I've gotten a few back with the new slabs and the newton rings/effect are terrible. I haven't subbed any silver or golden yet but I think I'll hold back since there's so many issues with the new slab.
Lin Harrell May 21 at 12:28pm... Please take a look at the 7 pictures attached. Look at the top edge of the books. I just got these [and 23 other books] back from CGC. They were pressed by CCS Paper [CGC] before being graded by CGC. They are sealed in the new “floating book” CGC cases. In these examples you can see the top of the books look warped, wavy, or rippled [not flat]. Almost like the book is wider than the bag it was placed in. I do not see this happening with more modern books. The modern books lay flat in the case. ...
Lin Harrell ... Good points and I agree on the new holder putting to much pressure on the books. I removed a couple of the books from the new holders and the book is "pressed" between the top and bottom of the holder. There is a sheet of Mylar placed on the front and back of the book. My concern is not only with the wavy-ness and warping of all 25 books I received last week ... but with the constant pressure on the books. Comics are wider at the staples ... the new holder / case is pressing the book until the full book [from staples to edge] is making full contact with the the top and bottom of the new holder / case. I had some annuals graded and you can see and feel the new case bowing out as the book is pressed under the plastic. I just took a quick pic to attach. Wish I had a longer straight edge here, but you get the idea. The case is bowed up in the middle [both front and back].
CGC Response (Bradley Bradley - Grader at CGC Comics)
Bradley Bradley The new holder design requires an entirely different approach to encapsulation -- contending with the wide array of comics’ sizes, thicknesses, cuts and conditions. As with many new product launches we have experienced some unforeseen challenges with a limited number of books and have made the necessary refinements to provide our customers with the best product.
In this instance, there have been a few books that have had a problem with the mylar inside the holder having a "wavy" factor.
If you are not satisfied with your CGC encapsulated book, please contact CGC customer service at 877-662-6642 or email firstname.lastname@example.org. Thank you for your patience and feedback during this process. We remain committed to improving as a company and doing what is in the best interest of the hobby. like emoticon Like · 2 · May 21 at 12:40pm
Bradley Bradley Lin, I've not really been part of the design or QC process, so I can't say for sure. But I've been told that the wavy-ness issue appears to have been resolved. Like · May 21 at 1:00pm
Lin Harrell I just received these books and 23 others within the last week. Thanks for your help. I sent an e-mail to the address you provided. Like · May 21 at 1:41pm
Lin Harrell Yeah .... I received 25 CGC graded books this week. 23 of them on Thursday. 2 days ago. All in the new floating cases. I'm always sad when I ask about a problem and the manufacter says, "Yup, that's a known problem." I want to say, "WT? ... BUT you just sold me this". Now what do i do? ... and what do the collectors do who haven't noticed the problem yet? But mostly ... What do I do? Like · 1 · May 21 at 1:57pm
Lin Harrell I'm waiting to hear back from CGC. They have not said I can send any of them back to be placed in a new holder. I'll wait and see what they say. Like · 2 · May 21 at 5:08pm
Andrew CuevasMODERATOR Discussion - Yesterday 5:07 PM
Here's a perfect example of a flawless book that got "color rubbed" from the middle of the spine to the top. And also got "crooked" in encapsulation.....2 major flaws with the new cases for your viewing pleasure....
Certification #: 0286294003 Title: DC Comics Presents Issue: 26 Issue Date: 10/80 Issue Year: 1980 Publisher: D.C. Comics Grade: 9.6 Total Graded At: 343 Page Quality: WHITE Grade Date: 05/06/2016 Category: Modern Art Comments: Marv Wolfman story Jim Starlin & Steve Mitchell art Jim Starlin cover Key Comments: 1st app. of New Teen Titans in preview by Marv Wolfman & George Perez. 1st app. Raven, Cyborg & Starfire.
I posted this in another thread, but thought it might deserve its own post.
Here's the summary of my call with CGC regarding "Slabgate:"
1. They say they have recently solved the "wavy" problem and told me to go through all my books and send back any wavy ones for reholdering. This would be free of charge and they will also cover all postal expenses.
2. They said they used an extensive Quality Assurance process in testing the new cases prior to launch and that there was a known "ink rubbing" issue specifically with Batman comics printed after 2014. No other titles or years were affected.
3. I told them that the "ink rub" picture making its rounds on social media was not a Batman comic, and they said they were still looking into that issue but suspect there may be other factors at play with that particular book in the picture.
4. They have reduced the rainbow effect significantly. With their new process, there's only a rainbow around the pressure points on the vertical edges of the comic.
5. They said there have been no problems with signatures sticking to the inner sheets of the slab for Signature Series books. They said this had been thoroughly tested prior to launch.
6. They acknowledged all of the swirl on these issues out on social media and said that much of it really was baseless & unwarranted. I realize she was a PR person, but she sounded very sincere and confident so I was inclined to believe what she was telling me.
6. In addition, she offered a full refund for reholdering an invoice of mine that was currently in their possession as a goodwill gesture - I thought that was a very classy move on their part.
My takeaway: Get your wavy books reholdered for free & don't worry about the new CGC holders unless you've got new Batman books. I, for one, am going to keep sending my books to CGC.