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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 28, 2024 11:36:04 GMT -8
Nope. Like I said before, we've all seen GA books and know the defects and how to grade them. Except you I guess. Now you're just playin dumb while moving the goal posts again. Keep defending CGC genius. PS - they don't like you Chip. That's why they banned you. You're a major pain in the byoutox. And you have a terrible record. Like when you used to adjust the color on your scans. I don't have much respect for CGC dealers, and you're one of the worst. I've got a life and things to do besides this. Later Hulk Grader. Some people hate being shown they're wrong and social media empowers people to think that power in numbers is greater than merit in a discussion, so when people resort to insults to shut the conversation down that's how everyone knows the conversation is over. I haven't defended CGC in this discussion. I simply pointed out that the guys that made the video were ignorant.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 28, 2024 11:45:39 GMT -8
The people on the CGC boards trying to decipher grading notes on 9.6's and 9.8's are on a fool's errand. You CAN have notes on 9.6's and 9.8's. You can have high grade books with MULTIPLE notes, or you can have entire invoices WITHOUT notes. There is NO RHYME OR REASON to it, because notes are not meant to be exhaustive or informative for the general public. Notes are simply meant to be internal, for the graders and among the graders as they are grading the books. They're made on whims of the graders and nothing else. I've seen entire invoices with almost no notes and entire invoices with lots of notes. Trying to decipher grader's notes to find some sort of pattern and using those notes to identify some sort of crime is like trying to find a motive as to why a classroom fight happened by analyzing how children leave their toys a certain way in a sandbox. Saying "spine stress lines" notes on a 9.8 is going to become a scarlet letter is also ridiculous. Spine stress lines have been noted on 9.8's since CGC inception.
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scoot
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Post by scoot on Feb 1, 2024 17:44:25 GMT -8
More scandals at CGC.
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Post by scoot on Feb 4, 2024 5:10:17 GMT -8
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Post by scoot on Feb 4, 2024 5:10:43 GMT -8
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Post by scoot on Feb 5, 2024 21:53:11 GMT -8
We finally have proof that the case/holder is not tamper-evident. The reholder was not required and the books could be swapped without notice. This is huge news and very bad for anyone who owns a cgc book.
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Dax
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Post by Dax on Feb 5, 2024 23:24:28 GMT -8
We finally have proof that the case/holder is not tamper-evident. The reholder was not required and the books could be swapped without notice. This is huge news and very bad for anyone who owns a cgc book. This needs to be emphasized. And CGC's crappy case made all of this possible.
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Post by bodega on Feb 6, 2024 3:25:07 GMT -8
We finally have proof that the case/holder is not tamper-evident. The reholder was not required and the books could be swapped without notice. This is huge news and very bad for anyone who owns a cgc book. This needs to be emphasized. And CGC's crappy case made all of this possible. I wonder how many other scammers are out there doing the same thing. And for how long?
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 6, 2024 17:02:16 GMT -8
We finally have proof that the case/holder is not tamper-evident. The reholder was not required and the books could be swapped without notice. This is huge news and very bad for anyone who owns a cgc book. This needs to be emphasized. And CGC's crappy case made all of this possible. As with every product, EVERY PRODUCT has it's flaws. There isn't a perfect product. Even NASA, in an industry where perfection is the goal isn't perfect no matter how hard they try to be, with their near infinite resources, so if NASA can't do it, CGC never will. I haven't watched the video. I just can't watch these videos. They're all so poorly done. Does someone have the gist, 'proving' the cases are tamper proof? Many people who have opened hundreds, if not 1000's of CGC cases have testified that that these cases are NOT easy to open. Meanwhile, most of the people who quite likely may not have even opened a single case have an opinion on it.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 6, 2024 17:14:06 GMT -8
Nvm, just did a quick skip through.
Again, this guy spreading all sorts of misinformation, like Thorglor or whatever his name is found trimmed books when the books he looked at WERE NOT TRIMMED.
What a bunch if dorks.
So it seems that because Zaneglor was able to 'sell' a few books in compromised holders that some are asserting that the holder is not tamperproof.
Bad logic.
All you can surmise with this info, as far as I can tell, is that Zaneglor was allegedly able to reseal the holder in a way that prevented the tampering from being detected, but frankly, we have already seen dealers fooled by obviously tampered holders so that in an of itself doesn't prove that the holder is tamper proof.
So far, all it shows is that people aren't catching the tamper-evident safeguards built into the holder.
And THIS is definitely a possibility.
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Again, while everyone screams "the sky is falling" and "we need a new holder" I can definitively say that EVERY book that has been encapsulated since Dec 2023 is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to crack out.
So much so, that it's an actual problem. If you want to crack out a book out for your personal collection, or to press and resub, it is nearly impossible to do at this point.
So, still lots of misinformation / disinformation floating out there and lots of changes have been made already, of which nobody seems to be talking about.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 12, 2024 15:51:14 GMT -8
Man, some of those forum detectives over there are so sharp, they can spot imaginary color touch, tear seals and trimming on a Marvel #1 from a cell phone photo of a computer screen. But they're unable to actually post images and URLs. And then, they insinuate that CGC must have turned a blind eye or missed it...on a high profile, 7 figure book that everyone would have scrutinized. World class thinking going on over there among some of them.
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Feb 24, 2024 18:24:50 GMT -8
And now a video showing how easily the PGX case can be opened without any sign of tampering.
Between CGC, CBCS and PGX, this looks like the easiest case to swap books with.
Is it any wonder why scammers love plastic cases? CGC was a dream come true.
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kav
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Post by kav on Feb 24, 2024 18:27:59 GMT -8
I would never buy a slab ever. never have, never will.
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Post by ewertpc10 on Mar 11, 2024 18:56:25 GMT -8
Well, there is, at least, one video on YT about cracking trading cards out of their slabs. So comics are not an isolated collectible.
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