scoot
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Post by scoot on Dec 24, 2023 17:14:32 GMT -8
CGC finally responds! Read the comments
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Post by scoot on Dec 26, 2023 16:26:07 GMT -8
boards.cgccomics.com/topic/530817-asm-252-cgc-98-record-sale-something-fishy-going-on/?do=findComment&comment=13039580Might have already been posted, but finally a reply from CS. As expected, but they are definitely aware. Thank you for contacting us. I would like to confirm for you we are currently going through a full investigation into this situation. At this time we do not have more information regarding this. Rest assured once we have more information we can share we will let our customers know. I am sorry we currently do not have a timeline for when we will be able to offer more insight. Thank you for your understanding.
I would also just like to personally thank you for reaching out to us via email. While the original post on our boards (now over 130 pages since it was posted this month) was a huge benefit to bringing this to our attention, we truly appreciate you and so many others contacting us directly via email regarding this. If you have any other questions, please let us know. Thank you!
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Dec 27, 2023 15:06:03 GMT -8
This guy shows how the scam is done.
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 27, 2023 19:35:04 GMT -8
This guy shows how the scam is done. I said this over on the CGC Boards. Action figure collectors have been aware of how to dismantle sonic welding and posts / ports in plastic for years. It was no real secret that the possibility existed, but nothing that was openly discussed when it came to CGC slabs.
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kav
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Post by kav on Dec 27, 2023 19:36:15 GMT -8
This guy shows how the scam is done. I said this over on the CGC Boards. Action figure collectors have been aware of how to dismantle sonic welding and posts / ports in plastic for years. It was no real secret that the possibility existed, but nothing that was openly discussed when it came to CGC slabs. then there's the re-shrink wrap-very easy to do.
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Post by bodega on Dec 28, 2023 3:30:40 GMT -8
This guy shows how the scam is done. Wow. That's unbelievably easy to do.
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Post by Buzzetta on Dec 28, 2023 6:46:07 GMT -8
CCG and CGC Comics Statement on Holder Tampering Incident
The Certified Collectibles Group (CCG), which includes Certified Guaranty Company (CGC), is aware of an incident involving an individual tampering with CGC Comics holders. Based on our initial review, we believe that the incident affects a few hundred comic books.
CCG exists to protect the collecting community, and in the last 36 years we have certified more than 85 million collectibles, each one backed by a comprehensive guarantee. The trust that we have built with our community sometimes makes us a target of bad actors and, despite our vigilance, this individual tampered with some of our holders.
If you purchased one of the books that this individual tampered with, we will ensure that you are appropriately compensated for losses arising from any failures in our services. We expect to share a list of books that we believe are impacted as soon as possible.
We have also retained a leading private investigative service and outside counsel to conduct a comprehensive review of this incident and our processes, and to help ensure that this individual is held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. We have already made significant improvements to our processes as a result of this incident, and we will continue to take appropriate steps to help ensure that this type of incident does not happen again.
We expect to share more information when we have it. In the meantime, if you have any questions or would like to share any information with CCG, please reach out to us at ReportFraud@CollectiblesGroup.com.
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Post by McLovin on Dec 28, 2023 14:19:52 GMT -8
There's no way I'd ever trust a CGC book.
Who knows what's really inside if all it takes to switch the book out is a screwdriver, a heat gun, some solvent, and about 5 minutes. You could teach a 10 year old to do it.
There's no way this scam is limited to only one criminal. I'll bet this has been done tens of thousands of times by hundreds of people. This guy was just dumb enough to get caught red-handed.
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Post by Prince Namor on Dec 28, 2023 16:30:42 GMT -8
There's no way I'd ever trust a CGC book. Who knows what's really inside if all it takes to switch the book out is a screwdriver, a heat gun, some solvent, and about 5 minutes. You could teach a 10 year old to do it. There's no way this scam is limited to only one criminal. I'll bet this has been done tens of thousands of times by hundreds of people. This guy was just dumb enough to get caught red-handed. It's very possible someone could get REALLY good at it and be doing tremendous damage. Imagine the amount of 4.0's that they could be putting into 6.0 cases - especialy when the cover looks decent - and people either would never suspect or would think, 'Oh that CGC is being inconsistant again!'. Just in smaller books like that, it could be a $150-$300 bump, PLUS give the dealer an extra 6.0 to submit. Someone with a big collection of raw and slabs with multiples of books... it;'s crazy what could be going on...
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Post by Shadow Moon on Dec 29, 2023 18:40:59 GMT -8
I see the CGC cheerleaders are out in force in that stupid ASM #252 thread.
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Post by Shadow Moon on Dec 29, 2023 18:48:20 GMT -8
And here's CBCS' slab being defeated just like CGC's, although a little more difficult.
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Post by Shadow Moon on Dec 29, 2023 19:54:08 GMT -8
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scoot
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Post by scoot on Dec 30, 2023 5:53:11 GMT -8
I'm going to change the name of the thread. This is much bigger than a reholder/relabel scam. This involves every CGC case in existence.
CGC doesn't have a tamper-proof case. CGC doesn't even have a tamper-resistant case. CGC lied about that, and every book inside a CGC case is now highly suspect.
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Dax
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Post by Dax on Dec 31, 2023 5:54:21 GMT -8
CGC will pretend this scandal is limited to one scammer. They will publish a short list of books and buy off those who complain (as usual). The cheerleaders will wave their pom poms and chant that everything is back to normal so that they can continue to flip slabs. We've seen this all before, many times. The problem is that's all BS. This scam has been going on for years and years by countless scammers and CGC has always been aware of it. Their crappy case enables it. Here's just one example from CGC's website forum posted back in 2014. I'm sure the board detectives could find hundreds more examples if they were motivated. My First "fake" CGC slabbed bookThe case was opened, a fake label replaced the real (restored) one, and the case was resealed. Easy peazy lemon squeezy. You have no idea what's inside any CGC case until you break it out and inspect it.
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Post by crossingtherubicon on Dec 31, 2023 6:56:37 GMT -8
CGC will pretend this scandal is limited to one scammer. They will publish a short list of books and buy off those who complain (as usual). The cheerleaders will wave their pom poms and chant that everything is back to normal so that they can continue to flip slabs. We've seen this all before, many times. The problem is that's all BS. This scam has been going on for years and years by countless scammers and CGC has always been aware of it. Their crappy case enables it. Here's just one example from CGC's website forum posted back in 2014. I'm sure the board detectives could find hundreds more examples if they were motivated. My First "fake" CGC slabbed bookThe case was opened, a fake label replaced the real (restored) one, and the case was resealed. Easy peazy lemon squeezy. You have no idea what's inside any CGC case until you break it out and inspect it. I did a search on Facebook and this was the first one that came up in the results. Scammers, counterfeits and fakes. 2/17/23" The case was completely solid and intact with no cracks or anything to indicate it had been opened. As a matter of fact it almost fooled the third person company I sent it into to be verified. However they had a photograph of the original comic with that serial number and they didn't quite match so they did a little more looking since it was such an expensive book. I finally had them go ahead and crack open the case and it turns out there's not even a Hulk comic in this case nor any kind of comic book at all. Simply copy paper."
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