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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:19:45 GMT -8
Current cultures and historically cultures do not have same morality rules though. Example some cultures honor killing of female children is A Ok. All religions have different morality rules although they may share some. Actually they do! All cultures have the same morality that "murder is wrong". Zero cultures would be okay with allowing people to kill anyone they wanted to. What differs is, as mentioned before, who gets to be considered "fully human" and deserving protection under that universal law of morality and who doesn't (in the example you raised, female children do not). That's where they betray the universal morality for their own convenience (like any immoral serial killer does too). Cultures are far more varied than you claim; universal taboos are virtually non-existent. But while you're still not responding to the topic, you're also refraining from trolling, and you're behaving as an adult. For this Zod thanks you.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 22:23:24 GMT -8
If youre saying the sum total of God's imbued morality is everyone cant kill anyone thats a pretty weak mandate. Never even hinted that. Name the culture or civilization that allowed anyone to kill anyone else for any reason. Just one. That's the beginning of understanding universal Laws of Human Nature. You're moved the goalposts, and still aren't responding to the OP. What is your opinion of conservative attacks on free speech? Are they just, moral, acceptable to you? |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 23:09:32 GMT -8
What government policy or law of any sort does not seek to control some aspect of the economy and/or impose some sort of morality? All laws are based on a certain form of morality, are they not? And seeks to punish those who act in opposition to that morality. e.g: fraud, slander/libel, endangerment, DUI, robbery, murder, rape, child abuse, etc. Clearly not all immorality is illegal (adultery for example), but it's hard to find any law that is not, at it's core, based on a specific morality, which may be referred to as "Natural Law" or "Laws of Human Nature". One may say that such "Natural Law" or "Laws of Human Nature" are those which are universal - and indeed they may very well be universal - but that doesn't take away from the fact that our civil laws are founded in these moral laws of human nature. You're not responding to the question posed in the OP. Do you support book bans and restrictions on academic freedom, and the rampant conservative attacks on free speech in general? Or do they trouble you? Well I quoted and bolded the only portion that I chose to respond to. As far as banning books, I think everyone has an idea of what books they don't want to pay for to house in grade-school libraries for children to peruse. Academic freedom, like all freedoms, do have certain limits, though if a college course on human sexuality included some graphic descriptions or images of, well, human sexuality... that would most likely be protected as academic freedom. However, if a college class on child-development included graphic descriptions and images of child-pornography, that should most likely not be protected as academic freedom. I don't agree with your description that there are "rampant" attacks on free speech in general coming from conservative side as opposed to the liberal side. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2023 23:14:41 GMT -8
You're not responding to the question posed in the OP. Do you support book bans and restrictions on academic freedom, and the rampant conservative attacks on free speech in general? Or do they trouble you? Well I quoted and bolded the only portion that I chose to respond to. As far as banning books, I think everyone has an idea of what books they don't want to pay for to house in grade-school libraries for children to peruse. Academic freedom, like all freedoms, do have certain limits, though if a college course on human sexuality included some graphic descriptions or images of, well, human sexuality... that would most likely be protected as academic freedom. However, if a college class on child-development included graphic descriptions and images of child-pornography, that should most likely not be protected as academic freedom. I don't agree with your description that there are "rampant" attacks on free speech in general coming from conservative side as opposed to the liberal side. Thank you!  Both liberals AND conservatives are guilty of these attacks, and Zod takes his liberal friends to task all the time about this. But - for instance - the brilliant writing of the devout Christian MLK Jr. is under attack by conservative groups. Can you possibly approve of this? |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 23:29:34 GMT -8
Well I quoted and bolded the only portion that I chose to respond to. As far as banning books, I think everyone has an idea of what books they don't want to pay for to house in grade-school libraries for children to peruse. Academic freedom, like all freedoms, do have certain limits, though if a college course on human sexuality included some graphic descriptions or images of, well, human sexuality... that would most likely be protected as academic freedom. However, if a college class on child-development included graphic descriptions and images of child-pornography, that should most likely not be protected as academic freedom. I don't agree with your description that there are "rampant" attacks on free speech in general coming from conservative side as opposed to the liberal side. Thank you! Both liberals AND conservatives are guilty of these attacks, and Zod takes his liberal friends to task all the time about this. But - for instance - the brilliant writing of the devout Christian MLK Jr. is under attack by conservative groups.
Can you possibly approve of this? Not familiar with this. What example are you referring to? |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 21, 2023 23:36:19 GMT -8
Actually they do! All cultures have the same morality that "murder is wrong". Zero cultures would be okay with allowing people to kill anyone they wanted to. What differs is, as mentioned before, who gets to be considered "fully human" and deserving protection under that universal law of morality and who doesn't (in the example you raised, female children do not). That's where they betray the universal morality for their own convenience (like any immoral serial killer does too). Cultures are far more varied than you claim; universal taboos are virtually non-existent.But while you're still not responding to the topic, you're also refraining from trolling, and you're behaving as an adult. For this Zod thanks you. Murder is wrong - universally. The corruption of that universal is that there are differing "exceptions" to that rule among differing cultures, but no culture abandons that moral law completely. Thus, it is universal (just also universally corrupted to some extent but in different ways in different cultures). No person honors, thanks and celebrates another who betrays that person. However, we do honor, thank and celebrate those who demonstrate great integrity and loyalty to us. Thus, trustworthiness is another universal Law of Human Nature (morality). |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 22, 2023 6:48:30 GMT -8
IMO book banning in elementary / middle schools is a big culture war, nothing burger. If the right wants to ban Babar the Elephant from the school library I could give two craps. The reason I don't care is the kids can just go to their local public library and get it there.
It would be nice to see politicians give a damn about issues that actually affect peoples day to day lives as opposed to these distractions.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 22, 2023 11:19:39 GMT -8
IMO book banning in elementary / middle schools is a big culture war, nothing burger. If the right wants to ban Babar the Elephant from the school library I could give two craps. The reason I don't care is the kids can just go to their local public library and get it there. It would be nice to see politicians give a damn about issues that actually affect peoples day to day lives as opposed to these distractions. If it's getting banned in schools it's likely getting banned in public libraries. It would be nice if people could see past politics and focus on solutions to problems rather than embroiling themselves with political division, which seems to be the only goal. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Feb 22, 2023 11:37:31 GMT -8
Not the same authorities have domain over school and public libraries so once again, you're wrong ( shocking ).
It's not very comforting to know that the answer to the OP's question appears to be a resounding "no".
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 22, 2023 11:52:45 GMT -8
Not the same authorities have domain over school and public libraries so once again, you're wrong ( shocking ). It's not very comforting to know that the answer to the OP's question appears to be a resounding "no". We were talking about cancel culture, and once something gets cancelled in one arena many others follow suit. You can't determine whether I'm right or wrong without analyzing the details. Shocking, I know....  |
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Post by theCapraAegagrus on Feb 23, 2023 5:51:19 GMT -8
If it's getting banned in schools it's likely getting banned in public libraries.
To be fair, do you have any examples of this? I'm not aware of this being a 'thing' in America, but could be a Canadian custom.  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:05:31 GMT -8
Universal except for the fact its not universal- It's universal because one cannot name a single culture or civilization that fully, completely and totally rejects the notion that "murder is wrong". Or "rape is wrong". Or "lying is wrong". etc.... Correct. Not only is there that, but if we are all connected somehow (and I believe both jcjames and kav agree we are) then by necessity we must share (or pass down and share) things that create our morality and by extension, aspects of our morality. It's innate. Just like hunger and survival. |
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Post by kav on Feb 23, 2023 12:07:48 GMT -8
except for sociopaths-they seem to be almost another species.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:42:48 GMT -8
If it's getting banned in schools it's likely getting banned in public libraries.
To be fair, do you have any examples of this? I'm not aware of this being a 'thing' in America, but could be a Canadian custom. Sorry, I meant in a peer pressure / court of public opinion way and not a legal way. In terms of cancel culture, if something is branded as "bad" then nobody will want to carry something "bad" and many venues will purge themselves of the offending gizmo. We've seen that across Woke society in many ways. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 23, 2023 12:43:25 GMT -8
except for sociopaths-they seem to be almost another species. But there is a specific reason for them as well. Finding the reason out is the mission. |
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