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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 17:18:41 GMT -8
A thread I recently bumped here got Zod thinking about the ethics of buying comics, primarily from private parties.
One may also encounter dilemmas when buying from established comic retailers who may not be up on what's hot and what's not, but those are often very situational and may contain variables - if not variants! - including one's relationship with the retailer, and one's perception of their character, needs and practices.
Does anyone have a story to share about "doing the right thing" when buying a comic whose owner may not recognize its value?
And more generally, does anyone have feelings about what should guide one's conduct when buying from a private party who may be trusting you (as a relative expert) not to cheat them?
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Post by kav on Jan 14, 2023 18:17:04 GMT -8
this was a huge argument on CGC forum. My camp said no way we could take advantage of someone like that. Other camp went with 'its not my job to educate'.
not my 'job' to rescue a drowning child either, but i'd do it anyway.
as you would expect it was the boardies who have a history of nastiness in their posts that went with the 'not my job'.
What kind of person you are is determined by what you make your job.
People's moral center was clearly exposed in that brew-haw-haw.
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Post by kav on Jan 14, 2023 18:18:22 GMT -8
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Post by kav on Jan 14, 2023 19:07:22 GMT -8
anyone who undercuts someone on valuable books because they dont know the value is a POS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 19:13:54 GMT -8
this was a huge argument on CGC forum. My camp said no way we could take advantage of someone like that. Other camp went with 'its not my job to educate'. not my 'job' to rescue a drowning child either, but i'd do it anyway. as you would expect it was the boardies who have a history of nastiness in their posts that went with the 'not my job'. What kind of person you are is determined by what you make your job. People's moral center was clearly exposed in that brew-haw-haw. Interesting! Not surprised that the nastier types were against trying to be fair. One of the exceptions to trying to do unto others happens when high volume dealers let goodies slip into their dollar boxes that really don't belong there. In that case, Zod does think all's fair, as what such dealers may lose on a few books here & there is more than made up for by their getting a buck a pop for dreck. But if some amateur gramps sets up at a small show with books CLEARLY underpriced, Zod really does feel an obligation to say something to them, even on those books Zod would like to pick up for a song himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 19:15:01 GMT -8
anyone who undercuts someone on valuable books because they dont know the value is a POS. Yeah - even if the seller is a bit of a jerk, I agree. |
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Post by jcjames on Jan 25, 2023 17:27:47 GMT -8
this was a huge argument on CGC forum. My camp said no way we could take advantage of someone like that. Other camp went with 'its not my job to educate'.not my 'job' to rescue a drowning child either, but i'd do it anyway. as you would expect it was the boardies who have a history of nastiness in their posts that went with the 'not my job'. What kind of person you are is determined by what you make your job. People's moral center was clearly exposed in that brew-haw-haw. Those are the ones who knowingly sell fake signatures and trimmed books without acknowledging the fakery or the trimming. AKA, scammers and scum. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 21:59:39 GMT -8
this was a huge argument on CGC forum. My camp said no way we could take advantage of someone like that. Other camp went with 'its not my job to educate'.not my 'job' to rescue a drowning child either, but i'd do it anyway. as you would expect it was the boardies who have a history of nastiness in their posts that went with the 'not my job'. What kind of person you are is determined by what you make your job. People's moral center was clearly exposed in that brew-haw-haw. Those are the ones who knowingly sell fake signatures and trimmed books without acknowledging the fakery or the trimming. AKA, scammers and scum. In far too many cases, yes. The opposition to Hammer & his ilk by such fraudsters often seems more like professional jealousy than anything else. |
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Post by microchip on Feb 7, 2023 19:42:59 GMT -8
Does anyone have a story to share about "doing the right thing" when buying a comic whose owner may not recognize its value? Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. |
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Post by kav on Feb 7, 2023 19:49:36 GMT -8
Does anyone have a story to share about "doing the right thing" when buying a comic whose owner may not recognize its value? Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. bought a small collection from a lady who knew nothing about comics and I could have named any price but I just offered $100 less than the value of the books and made $100 selling them on ebay. I was going thru them and saw hulk 178, 179...and was getting excited to tell her the value of 181 but sadly nope it wasnt there. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 23:13:30 GMT -8
Does anyone have a story to share about "doing the right thing" when buying a comic whose owner may not recognize its value? Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Yeah - very weird.Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. People who deal in/sell comics - pros - have specialized knowledge which is generally unknown or unavailable to trusting sellers aka amateurs.All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. The expert/professional merchant - generally a seller - is buying from a potentially innocent collector with far fewer resources and less knowledge in this instance, so Latin not applicable.
Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. See above.I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. That's very nice.  There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. See above. |
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Post by jcjames on Feb 14, 2023 8:56:36 GMT -8
Does anyone have a story to share about "doing the right thing" when buying a comic whose owner may not recognize its value? Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. There's doing one's due diligence, then there's being frauded. What say you in the case of a person selling a book that is known to the seller to be trimmed with a fake signature, and yet advertising it as "complete" and not acknowledging the fraudulent signature? Does caveat emptor absolve the seller of any guilt? |
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Post by kav on Feb 14, 2023 11:41:45 GMT -8
Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. There's doing one's due diligence, then there's being frauded. What say you in the case of a person selling a book that is known to the seller to be trimmed with a fake signature, and yet advertising it as "complete" and not acknowledging the fraudulent signature? Does caveat emptor absolve the seller of any guilt? I think 'what would Jesus do' applies in situations like this. One can justify it all they want but if you give someone 5 bucks for action #1 you are an  . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 16:54:54 GMT -8
Is it's an episode of Pawn Stars, where the buyer is being filmed, and they will still only give them 60% of the current market value. Otherwise no, there's no obligation to do someone else's due diligence. All the latin masters came up with phrases to protect the buyer, not the seller. Exceptions to this exist of course, kids, and ...um kids. Your job is not to protect people from their own stupidity unless you want to. I run a business, and so many times I've given people discounts, even 100% discounts. There's no payback from the recipient what so ever, there is no obligation on them. Time and time again, I've done a good deed because I felt obligated. But the obligation only existed in me, no one ever knew of the obligation I had concocted in my head. Business it seems, is just business at the end of the day. There's doing one's due diligence, then there's being frauded. What say you in the case of a person selling a book that is known to the seller to be trimmed with a fake signature, and yet advertising it as "complete" and not acknowledging the fraudulent signature? Does caveat emptor absolve the seller of any guilt? This is a good point, but Chip makes the mistake of confusing/reversing the merchant with the novice in his example. The question returns to that of how one uses one's superior mercantile knowledge when encountering a trusting and potentially vulnerable amateur seller. If one takes advantage, one is little better than a thief, at least in Zod's view. |
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