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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 8:02:30 GMT -8
A Minnesota University Is Under Fire for Dismissing an Art History Professor Who Showed Medieval Paintings of the Prophet Muhammad
Numerous organizations have rallied in support of professor Erika Lopez Prater, calling for the university to protect academic freedom.In a controversial move, an adjunct professor at Hamline University in St. Paul, Minnesota, has lost her job after showing her class Medieval paintings depicting the Prophet Muhammad, founder of the Islamic religion. The school’s decision not to renew the professor’s contract for the current semester has sparked debates over free speech, including a Change.org petition in support of the teacher, signed by at least 2,500 scholars and students of Islamic studies and art history, and a condemnation from PEN America of the “egregious violation” of academic freedom.----------------------------------------------------- tldr In an art history class a professor was discussing medieval paintings of Muhammad. Many Muslims believe it's blasphemous to do so. The professor gave the class a two minute warning to anyone who wanted to avoid the images bases on their beliefs. One student complained that it was offensive first to the professor and then escalated the matter. The contract of the professor was not extended. This has created a large debate over freedom of speech and concerns over limiting historical education. Thoughts, anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 12:20:43 GMT -8
Much more information needed. Does the professor - for instance - have a history of Islamophobic conduct and/or baiting and belittling people of faith, or people of particular faiths, or people of particular beliefs? Looking forward to your reply & a lot more information about this professor's prior conduct. Thanks Vin!
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 12:48:21 GMT -8
What I have realized from 3 years of constant discussion on a variety of topics, is that many if not MOST people, even the "smartest" people (and I say smartest in quotes because education DOES NOT necessarily equate to intelligence) DO NOT understand the consequences of their thinking when followed to a logical conclusion.
For example, namisgr's constant rebuttals defending science and science ethics are a prime example.
Nearly every single societal problem we have, whether it's rampant mental illness from social media, or the "climate change problem" created through scientific advancement or other issues, have all been created because people were unable to see the long term consequences of their progress.
When confronted on it by me, he would always reframe the discussion to deflect from the fact that each lane of progress has created has incurred it's own set of societal problems that are much larger in scope than could have been imagined at the outset.
The current Woke ideological agenda does exactly this:
They might understand the short or possibly mid term (although not likely as life is to complex to understand all possible outcomes) consequences of certain decisions, but not the long term ramifications.
And this is the PRIMARY reason for differences in ideology.
The Woke seem to prefer to fix the moment at the expense of the outcome.
The rest are far more concerned about the outcome at the expense of the moment.
And this will hold true for nearly every questionable idea over the last few decades, from monetary policy to vaccine mandates to hate laws.
In short, they may grasp the moment but miss the long arcing consequences.
By appeasing a complainant over their religious belief in a country where freedom of religion is the law, the result ultimately will be a limitation on freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of religion.
Just like in every single Woke model created, the appeal to protect the general public from all micro aggressoins against them simply increases the problem. It doesn't decrease it as there is no end to micro aggressions.
The way to strengthen yourself against a problem is to expose yourself to it. Not hide from it.
That's the evolutionary curve that's been in action since the beginning of time.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 13:09:34 GMT -8
What I have realized from 3 years of constant discussion on a variety of topics, is that many if not MOST people, even the "smartest" people (and I say smartest in quotes because education DOES NOT necessarily equate to intelligence) DO NOT understand the consequences of their thinking when followed to a logical conclusion. For example, namisgr's constant rebuttals defending science and science ethics are a prime example. Nearly every single societal problem we have, whether it's rampant mental illness from social media, or the "climate change problem" created through scientific advancement or other issues, have all been created because people were unable to see the long term consequences of their progress. When confronted on it by me, he would always reframe the discussion to deflect from the fact that each lane of progress has created has incurred it's own set of societal problems that are much larger in scope than could have been imagined at the outset. The current Woke ideological agenda does exactly this: They might understand the short or possibly mid term (although not likely as life is to complex to understand all possible outcomes) consequences of certain decisions, but not the long term ramifications. And this is the PRIMARY reason for differences in ideology.
The Woke seem to prefer to fix the moment at the expense of the outcome.
The rest are far more concerned about the outcome at the expense of the moment.
And this will hold true for nearly every questionable idea over the last few decades, from monetary policy to vaccine mandates to hate laws. In short, they may grasp the moment but miss the long arcing consequences. By appeasing a complainant over their religious belief in a country where freedom of religion is the law, the result ultimately will be a limitation on freedom of speech, freedom of expression and freedom of religion. Just like in every single Woke model created, the appeal to protect the general public from all micro aggressoins against them simply increases the problem. It doesn't decrease it as there is no end to micro aggressions. The way to strengthen yourself against a problem is to expose yourself to it. Not hide from it. That's the evolutionary curve that's been in action since the beginning of time. Namisgr = Vintage's Jor-El I feel your pain, bra. But I see that while you've posted a LOT of words, not a single one pertains to the topic of this teacher's prior conduct, or the dubious necessity of this stunt she pulled. Zod's question - posed as "honestly" as your title - remains whether she's a threat or menace. Actual content pertinent to the topic eagerly awaited; don't disappoint me or the Invisible Army, bro!
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 13:18:57 GMT -8
What I have realized from 3 years of constant discussion on a variety of topics, is that many if not MOST people, even the "smartest" people (and I say smartest in quotes because education DOES NOT necessarily equate to intelligence) DO NOT understand the consequences of their thinking when followed to a logical conclusion. Actual content pertinent to the topic eagerly awaited; don't disappoint me or the Invisible Army, bro! Google is your friend!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 13:28:07 GMT -8
Actual content pertinent to the topic eagerly awaited; don't disappoint me or the Invisible Army, bro! Google is your friend! And not yours I suspect. But I see you're emulating behavior you once repeatedly criticized - what's up with that? Are your standards so malleable, so reversible? Zod IS quite convincing of course... But the cover featuring the well-known racist baby article as presented in Newsweek was posted early on in the discussion you reference, so even this latest argumentative tactic of yours is a fail. I just hope your Invisible Army isn't too disappointed by this latest imminent fail of yours. Hang tough bra!
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 13:46:07 GMT -8
And not yours I suspect. But I see you're emulating behavior you once repeatedly criticized - what's up with that? Are your standards so malleable, so reversible? Zod IS quite convincing of course... But the cover featuring the well-known racist baby article as presented in Newsweek was posted early on in the discussion you reference, so even this latest argumentative tactic of yours is a fail. I just hope your Invisible Army isn't too disappointed by this latest imminent fail of yours. Hang tough bra! Your logic is flawed. I posted a link to a story and posed a question to the audience in regards to the story. I don't have any other links to the story and have no obligations to add them based on my question. If you have something to add feel free to offer your own supporting evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 13:54:52 GMT -8
And not yours I suspect. But I see you're emulating behavior you once repeatedly criticized - what's up with that? Are your standards so malleable, so reversible? Zod IS quite convincing of course... But the cover featuring the well-known racist baby article as presented in Newsweek was posted early on in the discussion you reference, so even this latest argumentative tactic of yours is a fail. I just hope your Invisible Army isn't too disappointed by this latest imminent fail of yours. Hang tough bra! Your logic is flawed. I posted a link to a story and posed a question to the audience in regards to the story. I don't have any other links to the story and have no obligations to add them based on my question. If you have something to add feel free to offer your own supporting evidence. Your logic is flawed. Projection.
Your premise is hopelessly flawed.
That you can't see this is sad at best.I posted a link to a story and posed a question to the audience in regards to the story. See above.I don't have any other links to the story and have no obligations to add them based on my question. See above.If you have something to add feel free to offer your own supporting evidence. See above.
The story hasn't wriggled its way out of the right-wing outrage echo-chamber yet, but when it does, I can all but guarantee that this is just the latest stunt by a disturbed, agenda-driven individual.
I do understand the appeal of such people to you, but...
Vintage fail imminent.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 14:07:33 GMT -8
Your logic is flawed. I posted a link to a story and posed a question to the audience in regards to the story. I don't have any other links to the story and have no obligations to add them based on my question. If you have something to add feel free to offer your own supporting evidence. The story hasn't wriggled its way out of the right-wing outrage echo-chamber yet, but when it does, I can all but guarantee that this is just the latest stunt by a disturbed, agenda-driven individual.
Hm. Well, the NYT ran the story, so you'd be wrong about it not "wriggling it's way out of the right-wing echo chamber". The rest of your post is just illogical.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 14:42:49 GMT -8
Your logic is flawed.
Projection.
Your premise is hopelessly flawed.
That you can't see this is sad at best.
I posted a link to a story and posed a question to the audience in regards to the story.
See above.
I don't have any other links to the story and have no obligations to add them based on my question. See above.
If you have something to add feel free to offer your own supporting evidence. See above.
The story hasn't wriggled its way out of the right-wing outrage echo-chamber yet, but when it does, I can all but guarantee that this is just the latest stunt by a disturbed, agenda-driven individual.
I do understand the appeal of such people to you, but...
Vintage fail imminent.
Hm. Well, the NYT ran the story, so you'd be wrong about it not "wriggling it's way out of the right-wing echo chamber". The rest of your post is just illogical. You're correct about the NYT story - I see it ran yesterday. When Zod searched for more info. after you refused to provide it - your new favorite tactic to avoid serious discussion, previously heavily criticized by you - a torrent of right wing outrage sites were the first to appear on several pages with the NYPost the best known, but no NYT story. However, your failure to recognize the hopelessly, comically flawed nature of your premise is what I've been addressing, and your refusal to recognize this as an ongoing issue with your many, many, many outraged posts here. Academic freedom - is it hate speech or education?
Were you trying to be clownish and self-defeating in the presentation of your ideas (assuming this is not your intent?), you could not do a better job of failing on every level. Zod would take you by the hand and lead you through your numerous errors, but Zod guesses this has been done by others, and to no avail.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 15:03:24 GMT -8
Zod wishes to add that after reading a few more articles on this (including the NYT piece Vintage refused to provide), it appears that this adjunct MIGHT be more guilty of naivete than deliberate provocation.
Islamophobic provocateurs have been so frequently sanctified by the right wing outrage apparatus that Zod assumed she was one of them without delving more deeply into the matter.
But this may be a situation more informed by academic geography and prior history than professorial intolerance and trolling, and one can only hope that this adjunct, were her intentions good, has learned from the experience.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jan 9, 2023 16:37:18 GMT -8
I don't have an obligation to provide information. That's not how discussion works. I posted the link and asked a question. It's not MY obligation to provide support for your opinion or questions. But I'm glad you almost admitted you were wrong about this simply being a "right wing echo chamber". It's a step in the right direction. When a discussion crosses the political barrier this is how great solutions are found.
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Post by kav on Jan 9, 2023 17:27:26 GMT -8
if Lays sold bread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2023 18:55:54 GMT -8
I don't have an obligation to provide information. That's not how discussion works. I posted the link and asked a question. It's not MY obligation to provide support for your opinion or questions. But I'm glad you almost admitted you were wrong about this simply being a "right wing echo chamber". It's a step in the right direction. When a discussion crosses the political barrier this is how great solutions are found. Zod was pleased to see you correct on the NYT find - he was beginning to feel guilty about constantly batting you around like a mole or other small field burrower. Zod is also pleased to see you embracing behavior you've repeatedly condemned, as this speaks volumes about your character. Finally, Zod has pondered and further researched this situation, and must reluctantly return to his initial impression of this instructor's actions. As much as Zod wants to believe in the possibility of humans rising above their primitive folly, no one is this naive/ignorant/insensitive/stupid - not even a college professor. The internet sleuths are no doubt combing through Prater's history, and will likely uncover some embarrassing moments which will reveal her true affinities and intentions. But in the meantime, it seems abundantly clear that this was a set up/stunt designed to feed red meat to the right wing outrage machine, but which has also gained some traction among such *august* outlets as the aforementioned NYT. Perhaps a liberal (?) Hispanic woman vs. a Black Muslim woman equals the need for some balance in coverage? Stand by for Ms. Prater's likely well-deserved cancellation.
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Post by kav on Jan 9, 2023 19:26:26 GMT -8
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