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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 11, 2022 12:03:48 GMT -8
If there are no consequences to the wrongdoing then the system is rigged and hopeless. i just watched the big short, 99 homes, and inside job. the system is rigged and hopeless. If all is hopeless why continue living?
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Post by kav on Dec 11, 2022 12:10:34 GMT -8
i just watched the big short, 99 homes, and inside job. the system is rigged and hopeless. If all is hopeless why continue living? because i dont need the world to be fair to enjoy life. since everyone has a different idea of fair any 'fair' world would be a dystopia.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 11, 2022 14:11:19 GMT -8
If all is hopeless why continue living? because i dont need the world to be fair to enjoy life. since everyone has a different idea of fair any 'fair' world would be a dystopia. Neither do I. But I do take time out of my life to fight for fairness for others when I have no real obligation to. It's worth pointing out though, that unfair and hopeless are not the same thing. If something was hopeless I'd have to think much harder about whether or not to do battle. Luke 14:31 Or what king on his way to war with another king will not first sit down and consider whether he can engage with ten thousand men the one coming against him with twenty thousand?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 22:59:35 GMT -8
A) But fantasies like the LLT serve only the rich and powerful, and further their horrendous agendas.
B) People see resto that isn't there all the time, and miss resto that is there all the time as well.Nope. A) The LLT is not a fantasy. You just keep dismissing it as such without any evidence to support your claim. Meanwhile, the true body of evidence supports it's investigation and frankly, there is way more evidence to support the LLT than the Zoonotic theory. You just never reference any of it and sweep it all under the excuse of politics. B) Nobody is perfect, but the two are not equal. More people in the general public MISS more resto than spot resto that isn't there statistically speaking. But once you learn to spot resto you greatly increase your chances of spotting resto that IS there and reduce making the mistake of spotting resto that isn't there. You keep trying to blur the lines in every discussion and I'm not sure why. A) One of us doesn't have any evidence, and is squandering their time and credibility in pushing a theory without basis, and which serves evil. B) Assertions without evidence. One of us is a line blurrer to be sure, and projection is very much a thing. But you do you - you're right more often than wrong, but just so incredibly annoying in the latter instances.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 23:02:30 GMT -8
you just won the internet! If there are no consequences to the wrongdoing then the system is rigged and hopeless. If there are no consequences to the wrongdoing There rarely are for the powerful.
then the system is rigged Of course it is.
and hopeless.
Sometimes it's rigged in our favor, so there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2022 23:04:02 GMT -8
If there are no consequences to the wrongdoing then the system is rigged and hopeless. i just watched the big short, 99 homes, and inside job. the system is rigged and hopeless. Shannon is SO good!
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 12, 2022 9:59:27 GMT -8
Nope. A) The LLT is not a fantasy. You just keep dismissing it as such without any evidence to support your claim. Meanwhile, the true body of evidence supports it's investigation and frankly, there is way more evidence to support the LLT than the Zoonotic theory. You just never reference any of it and sweep it all under the excuse of politics. B) Nobody is perfect, but the two are not equal. More people in the general public MISS more resto than spot resto that isn't there statistically speaking. But once you learn to spot resto you greatly increase your chances of spotting resto that IS there and reduce making the mistake of spotting resto that isn't there. You keep trying to blur the lines in every discussion and I'm not sure why. A) One of us doesn't have any evidence, and is squandering their time and credibility in pushing a theory without basis, and which serves evil. B) Assertions without evidence. One of us is a line blurrer to be sure, and projection is very much a thing. But you do you - you're right more often than wrong, but just so incredibly annoying in the latter instances. In regards to B) you're constantly doing this. Do I need to prove more people will miss actual resto than assume it's there when it isn't? That's just common sense. Meanwhile, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence in either direction for A) but as a jury have concluded that A) is what you say it is despite any evidence. which is exactly what you're accusing me of. But thank you for stating that I'm more often right than wrong. I agree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 16:14:34 GMT -8
A) One of us doesn't have any evidence, and is squandering their time and credibility in pushing a theory without basis, and which serves evil. B) Assertions without evidence. One of us is a line blurrer to be sure, and projection is very much a thing. But you do you - you're right more often than wrong, but just so incredibly annoying in the latter instances. In regards to B) you're constantly doing this. Do I need to prove more people will miss actual resto than assume it's there when it isn't? That's just common sense. Meanwhile, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence in either direction for A) but as a jury have concluded that A) is what you say it is despite any evidence. which is exactly what you're accusing me of. But thank you for stating that I'm more often right than wrong. I agree. In regards to B) you're constantly doing this. Guilty as charged, but I'm almost invariably correct in my assertions.Do I need to prove more people will miss actual resto than assume it's there when it isn't? I don't know what you need to do, but it would be interesting to see you attempt this, yes.
That's just common sense. Assertion without evidence.Meanwhile, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence in either direction for A) but as a jury have concluded that A) is what you say it is despite any evidence. which is exactly what you're accusing me of. Are you familiar with the term "word salad?"
Regardless, you have no evidence.
None at all.
And it's not up to anyone to provide evidence to disprove your evidence-free theories.But thank you for stating that I'm more often right than wrong. I agree. Common ground.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 12, 2022 16:22:21 GMT -8
In regards to B) you're constantly doing this. Do I need to prove more people will miss actual resto than assume it's there when it isn't? That's just common sense. Meanwhile, you haven't provided a single shred of evidence in either direction for A) but as a jury have concluded that A) is what you say it is despite any evidence. which is exactly what you're accusing me of. But thank you for stating that I'm more often right than wrong. I agree. In regards to B) you're constantly doing this. Guilty as charged, but I'm almost invariably correct in my assertions.But thank you for stating that I'm more often right than wrong. I agree. Common ground. I'm also almost invariably correct...and if I was a betting man I'd put money down that I'm more correct than you. But time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 23:56:05 GMT -8
An okay-ish article on how one might respond to those enamored of, or obsessed with, conspiracy theories: www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/through-the-social-science-lens/202005/how-should-we-respond-people-who-spread-conspiracyNot surprisingly, it's heavy on the liberal side, and regards conspiracy theories as dangerous rather than (for instance) sometimes true, annoying, valuable exercises in mental agility, ridiculous, and so on. I regard the theories and theorists as a mixed bag, and feel they have value if not pressed on others to the extent that the theorist destroys their own credibility, alienates (or actively antagonizes) those around them, distracts from demonstrably REAL issues surrounding a given concern, or (as the article expresses alarm over) they cause harm. One sentence stands out for me: If one is to engage, it is best done in a non-social media venue and calmly.In other words, best to discuss in person. My experience is that this can be as disastrous and counter-productive as online discussion due to the personalities common to most theorists, but it is an interesting bit of advice.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 13, 2022 10:26:50 GMT -8
If one is to engage, it is best done in a non-social media venue and calmly. That's common sense advice but impossible to do exclusively with the advent of the internet. But it is extremely effective.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 23:57:06 GMT -8
If one is to engage, it is best done in a non-social media venue and calmly. That's common sense advice but impossible to do exclusively with the advent of the internet. But it is extremely effective. Interventions can work. Or backfire. In my experience, conspiracy theorists tend toward extreme inflexibility, so I don't think any venue really works to pry them free of beliefs true or false.
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Post by kav on Dec 14, 2022 17:28:14 GMT -8
Or backfire. In my experience, conspiracy theorists tend toward extreme inflexibility, so I don't think any venue really works to pry them free of beliefs true or false. it is impossible to pry loose a conspiracy theorist but you can have fun with 'em. one dude said 911 was a govt conspiracy so i said the moon is a giant balloon-the real moon was blown up in the 60s. he shut up
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 14, 2022 17:40:21 GMT -8
Or backfire. In my experience, conspiracy theorists tend toward extreme inflexibility, so I don't think any venue really works to pry them free of beliefs true or false. one dude said 911 was a govt conspiracy Are you convinced it was NOT a government conspiracy? There are a lot of weird things about that day, including surrounding buildings that were untouched falling like they were blown up. People say it's crazy to think that way but governments have sacrificed their own people MANY times in the past. If you spoke out against this study while it was happening, would you be called a conspiracy theorist back in 1950? Likely. And yet many years later, we found out it was true. Tuskegee Syphilis Study is just such a government experiment. The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male[1][2][3] (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis.[4][5] The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study medical advancements meant it was entirely treatable. The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment, and more than 100 died as a result.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 22:01:08 GMT -8
one dude said 911 was a govt conspiracy Are you convinced it was NOT a government conspiracy? There are a lot of weird things about that day, including surrounding buildings that were untouched falling like they were blown up. People say it's crazy to think that way but governments have sacrificed their own people MANY times in the past. If you spoke out against this study while it was happening, would you be called a conspiracy theorist back in 1950? Likely. And yet many years later, we found out it was true. Tuskegee Syphilis Study is just such a government experiment. The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male[1][2][3] (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was a study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis.[4][5] The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study medical advancements meant it was entirely treatable. The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment, and more than 100 died as a result. 20/20 hindsight has nothing to do with 9/11 Truther nonsense.
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