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Post by vintagecomics on Nov 30, 2022 10:51:38 GMT -8
How much time do you actually spend on Twitter? I don't do social media (I have accounts of course...FB for Marketplace, IG I have and go on maybe once a week)...and I don't consider Twitter social media actually. I'm on every day and where I choose to spend my time online. It truly is the way to spread news, and get viewpoints that you'd never get otherwise. The trick is to curate your feed VERY carefully and choose wisely who you actually follow...and that means following people who would oppose your points of view. That doesn't mean your mind will be changed, it just gioves you a barometer of what's going on and will show the truth or hypocracy in whatever is going on. It lets you make your own decision. As for moderation, it has't changed one bit. There was always violence threatened,  and on Trwiier and as long as humans and SM exist, it'll happen. Same as on here, same as CGC boards. Moderation is being decried as being less prevalent on Twitter right now...it's simplly not the case. The ''news'' that it is is simply being fed to people now and it's an interesting talking point for some now. Honestly I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter myself, but I do have an account there. When I mentioned the moderation I did have specific examples in mind of threats made that had been reported and passed through as acceptable that certainly wouldn't have under the old regime. Same as when I said I could think of an example offhand of something that Twitter wasn't treating fairly and was biased about, to the detriment of the more conservative side. I do read both people I agree with and admire, and those I don't, to try and get a rounded view on a subject. I don't really want to exist in an echo chamber, and if my views can't survive being challenged, then they're not really worth holding in the first place, right? Having said that, I have my limits. Thank you for such a respectful response. I appreciate it. Hopefully you didn't think my reply was disrespectful. I just feel strongly about how cornered free speech has become and I believe it's by design. I believe Oligarchs have big things to gain by preventing free speech in a fair and reasonable manner. ---------------- The following is not directed at Cat but at the general public: As someone who never liked or disliked Musk, who never followed Musk very closely except for the public chatter I've been skimming across, I've noticed an EXTREMELY large change in direction that the chatter has taken. The chatter used to be mostly positive, praising Musk for trying to make the world a better place. The public chatter has down taken a deep nosedive and he is being attacked and maligned on very front. Half the world has vehemently turned on him. Is he kicking puppies? Screaming at babies? Raping natural resources at the expense of the people? No. The only thing that's changed is that he has bought Twitter to try to make the "public Town Square" a better place after the world has experienced the WORST CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN in human history. And what has happened is the Left has unified and mobilized against him and is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him trying to make something stick against him. So the VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE BEHIND THE CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN are now doing everything within their power to discredit and destroy Musk. The attacks of how hate speech has risen, attacks on his personal life, attacks on his other businesses - these are media projections by a smear campaign with no other purpose than to prevent Twitter from become a place for both sides of the political spectrum to have a voice. The Liberal media world has moved from making Trump a target of every news article to attacking Musk. And so all of these attacks need to be taken with a grain of salt. Has hate speech risen on Twitter? Twitter says otherwise. But who you listen to will often color your perception and if you only listen to one side you're only going to see one side. Remember that over the last 2 years the very same people who mistakenly censored two of the greatest issues the world has ever faced are the same people trying to shut down Musk.Once you realize that, why would you ever listen to them again? |
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Post by parker1865 on Nov 30, 2022 10:54:58 GMT -8
Git outta here, you Anarchist!
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Post by vintagecomics on Nov 30, 2022 11:11:01 GMT -8
Git outta here, you Anarchist! Baloney. |
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Post by parker1865 on Nov 30, 2022 12:37:00 GMT -8
Git outta here, you Anarchist! Baloney. That was good. |
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Post by Cat on Nov 30, 2022 13:11:04 GMT -8
Honestly I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter myself, but I do have an account there. When I mentioned the moderation I did have specific examples in mind of threats made that had been reported and passed through as acceptable that certainly wouldn't have under the old regime. Same as when I said I could think of an example offhand of something that Twitter wasn't treating fairly and was biased about, to the detriment of the more conservative side. I do read both people I agree with and admire, and those I don't, to try and get a rounded view on a subject. I don't really want to exist in an echo chamber, and if my views can't survive being challenged, then they're not really worth holding in the first place, right? Having said that, I have my limits. Thank you for such a respectful response. I appreciate it. Hopefully you didn't think my reply was disrespectful. I just feel strongly about how cornered free speech has become and I believe it's by design. I believe Oligarchs have big things to gain by preventing free speech in a fair and reasonable manner. ---------------- The following is not directed at Cat but at the general public: As someone who never liked or disliked Musk, who never followed Musk very closely except for the public chatter I've been skimming across, I've noticed an EXTREMELY large change in direction that the chatter has taken. The chatter used to be mostly positive, praising Musk for trying to make the world a better place. The public chatter has down taken a deep nosedive and he is being attacked and maligned on very front. Half the world has vehemently turned on him. Is he kicking puppies? Screaming at babies? Raping natural resources at the expense of the people? No. The only thing that's changed is that he has bought Twitter to try to make the "public Town Square" a better place after the world has experienced the WORST CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN in human history. And what has happened is the Left has unified and mobilized against him and is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him trying to make something stick against him. So the VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE BEHIND THE CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN are now doing everything within their power to discredit and destroy Musk. The attacks of how hate speech has risen, attacks on his personal life, attacks on his other businesses - these are media projections by a smear campaign with no other purpose than to prevent Twitter from become a place for both sides of the political spectrum to have a voice. The Liberal media world has moved from making Trump a target of every news article to attacking Musk. And so all of these attacks need to be taken with a grain of salt. Has hate speech risen on Twitter? Twitter says otherwise. But who you listen to will often color your perception and if you only listen to one side you're only going to see one side. Remember that over the last 2 years the very same people who mistakenly censored two of the greatest issues the world has ever faced are the same people trying to shut down Musk.Once you realize that, why would you ever listen to them again? Oh no, Roy, no problem with your post whatsoever mate. It was merely the 'baloney' one I took issue with. Hopefully my initisl response generally covered your post too, with the exception of the 'great reset' stuff. I simply don't know enough about that to really have an opinion. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Nov 30, 2022 13:20:40 GMT -8
Cool!
I think the main hurdle most of us have when discussing these topics is we all have different depths of understanding or experience on these topics.
And I think politicians use this against us, by appealing to the more ignorant majority.
What they absolutely DON'T want is people to learn and know more.
I'm a relative noob as many will attest, but I've spent the last 3 years digging in deep and trying to understand how things work out in the real world beyond just my television screen, which is why I have taken on the position I currently am in. I used to be much more passive about all of this stuff but have become much more active in it.
I think being passive and complacent is the entire reason we got here in the first place and I just don't want to neglect my own personal duty and be passive any longer.
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Post by parker1865 on Nov 30, 2022 13:24:10 GMT -8
Hopefully you didn't think my reply was disrespectful. I just feel strongly about how cornered free speech has become and I believe it's by design. I believe Oligarchs have big things to gain by preventing free speech in a fair and reasonable manner. ---------------- The following is not directed at Cat but at the general public: As someone who never liked or disliked Musk, who never followed Musk very closely except for the public chatter I've been skimming across, I've noticed an EXTREMELY large change in direction that the chatter has taken. The chatter used to be mostly positive, praising Musk for trying to make the world a better place. The public chatter has down taken a deep nosedive and he is being attacked and maligned on very front. Half the world has vehemently turned on him. Is he kicking puppies? Screaming at babies? Raping natural resources at the expense of the people? No. The only thing that's changed is that he has bought Twitter to try to make the "public Town Square" a better place after the world has experienced the WORST CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN in human history. And what has happened is the Left has unified and mobilized against him and is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him trying to make something stick against him. So the VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE BEHIND THE CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN are now doing everything within their power to discredit and destroy Musk. The attacks of how hate speech has risen, attacks on his personal life, attacks on his other businesses - these are media projections by a smear campaign with no other purpose than to prevent Twitter from become a place for both sides of the political spectrum to have a voice. The Liberal media world has moved from making Trump a target of every news article to attacking Musk. And so all of these attacks need to be taken with a grain of salt. Has hate speech risen on Twitter? Twitter says otherwise. But who you listen to will often color your perception and if you only listen to one side you're only going to see one side. Remember that over the last 2 years the very same people who mistakenly censored two of the greatest issues the world has ever faced are the same people trying to shut down Musk.Once you realize that, why would you ever listen to them again? Oh no, Roy, no problem with your post whatsoever mate. It was merely the 'baloney' one I took issue with. Hopefully my initisl response generally covered your post too, with the exception of the 'great reset' stuff. I simply don't know enough about that to really have an opinion. Get over it. If that is all it takes for you to get riled, all I can say is: Baloney |
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Post by Cat on Nov 30, 2022 16:38:49 GMT -8
Oh no, Roy, no problem with your post whatsoever mate. It was merely the 'baloney' one I took issue with. Hopefully my initisl response generally covered your post too, with the exception of the 'great reset' stuff. I simply don't know enough about that to really have an opinion. Get over it. If that is all it takes for you to get riled, all I can say is: Baloney I'm not riled. You merely gave me nothing to work with. What am I supposed to respond to? It was an unfriendly response, with nothing to offer. That's all. |
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Post by parker1865 on Dec 1, 2022 5:16:38 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 16:50:42 GMT -8
Honestly I don't spend a lot of time on Twitter myself, but I do have an account there. When I mentioned the moderation I did have specific examples in mind of threats made that had been reported and passed through as acceptable that certainly wouldn't have under the old regime. Same as when I said I could think of an example offhand of something that Twitter wasn't treating fairly and was biased about, to the detriment of the more conservative side. I do read both people I agree with and admire, and those I don't, to try and get a rounded view on a subject. I don't really want to exist in an echo chamber, and if my views can't survive being challenged, then they're not really worth holding in the first place, right? Having said that, I have my limits. Thank you for such a respectful response. I appreciate it. Hopefully you didn't think my reply was disrespectful. I just feel strongly about how cornered free speech has become and I believe it's by design. I believe Oligarchs have big things to gain by preventing free speech in a fair and reasonable manner. ---------------- The following is not directed at Cat but at the general public: As someone who never liked or disliked Musk, who never followed Musk very closely except for the public chatter I've been skimming across, I've noticed an EXTREMELY large change in direction that the chatter has taken. The chatter used to be mostly positive, praising Musk for trying to make the world a better place. The public chatter has down taken a deep nosedive and he is being attacked and maligned on very front. Half the world has vehemently turned on him. Is he kicking puppies? Screaming at babies? Raping natural resources at the expense of the people? No. The only thing that's changed is that he has bought Twitter to try to make the "public Town Square" a better place after the world has experienced the WORST CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN in human history. And what has happened is the Left has unified and mobilized against him and is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him trying to make something stick against him.
So the VERY SAME PEOPLE WHO WERE BEHIND THE CENSORSHIP CAMPAIGN are now doing everything within their power to discredit and destroy Musk. The attacks of how hate speech has risen, attacks on his personal life, attacks on his other businesses - these are media projections by a smear campaign with no other purpose than to prevent Twitter from become a place for both sides of the political spectrum to have a voice. The Liberal media world has moved from making Trump a target of every news article to attacking Musk. And so all of these attacks need to be taken with a grain of salt. Has hate speech risen on Twitter? Twitter says otherwise. But who you listen to will often color your perception and if you only listen to one side you're only going to see one side. Remember that over the last 2 years the very same people who mistakenly censored two of the greatest issues the world has ever faced are the same people trying to shut down Musk.Once you realize that, why would you ever listen to them again? Some very good points except for the sentence I quoted in green above. Twitter viciously censored the left as much if not more than conservatives. Democrats at large oppose ANYONE and ANYTHING which challenges their objectives. They wish the spectrum of acceptable speech to be narrowed to include their views only, and anything which falls outside of this ever narrowing window will be attacked, and anyone expressing such views silenced. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 3, 2022 17:39:57 GMT -8
And what has happened is the Left has unified and mobilized against him and is throwing everything including the kitchen sink at him trying to make something stick against him.
Some very good points except for the sentence I quoted in green above. Twitter viciously censored the left as much if not more than conservatives. Democrats at large oppose ANYONE and ANYTHING which challenges their objectives. They wish the spectrum of acceptable speech to be narrowed to include their views only, and anything which falls outside of this ever narrowing window will be attacked, and anyone expressing such views silenced. I think I made that post before I agreed to start separating the Left from Liberals as per your recommendation. So what you're saying is that the TRUE Left has been censored as much as Conservatives and that the Liberal agenda, which both the Left AND Conservatives disagree with? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 17:58:33 GMT -8
Some very good points except for the sentence I quoted in green above. Twitter viciously censored the left as much if not more than conservatives. Democrats at large oppose ANYONE and ANYTHING which challenges their objectives. They wish the spectrum of acceptable speech to be narrowed to include their views only, and anything which falls outside of this ever narrowing window will be attacked, and anyone expressing such views silenced. I think I made that post before I agreed to start separating the Left from Liberals as per your recommendation. So what you're saying is that the TRUE Left has been censored as much as Conservatives and that the Liberal agenda, which both the Left AND Conservatives disagree with [ is being promoted]? I added the missing words in green.  You've got it. I mean, there ARE some crazies on the left, just as there are crazies on the right, but most on the left have far more in common with the right than they have with liberals. Modern liberals (far too many anyway) are basically what you might call Bizarro conservatives. They am hate racism, so they supported Covid lockdowns which destroyed communities of color. And war am bad, so they're cheerleading the madness in Ukraine. And Joe Biden! Him am Einstein, liberal wish him could vote for Smart Guy Joe more than 3 times a day (legal limit in Bizarro Modern Liberal World). |
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