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Post by vintagecomics on Oct 26, 2022 6:27:11 GMT -8
Oh please. If that is the best you can do, then your knowledge of history is very shallow. When the Nazi Card is played as a response to a statement of such Conflicts in today's global turmoils, it is emotion and not cerebral logic being displayed. I enjoy discussions. But you are vintagecomic's attack dog, following me around and making negative comments. Discussing anything with you would be a waste of my time. I'm going to put you on ignore right after I post this. I'm letting you know in advance so you don't think I'm being rude. He's not my attack dog and I believe he brings up valid points. The point he's trying to make here is that there is history to every conflict and it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. ------------------------------------------ There is a large, concerted media movement attacking anyone who questions the US involvement in the conflict. Why is that? I posted about it a few months ago and nobody even cared to respond. There is a large push [again] to label everyone who speaks negatively of the US' involvement as a spreader of 'misinformation' or 'disinformation'. Why is that? We saw this before with the pandemic. Anyone that didn't agree with the mainstream narrative was censored, attacked, shut down or cancelled, EVEN THOUGH THE MAINSTREAM NARRATIVE ENDED UP BEING WRONG. This is just a new event with the same game being played, putting people against each other, shoring public support and waging another way against something at the expense of the people involved. It likely, really has almost nothing to do with Russia wanting to invade Ukraine. It's more like the West wants Russia to invade Ukraine and Russia has no choice but to do it. All of that Ukraine / Russia / Trump / Clinton stuff from 2014-2020 has a LOT to do with what's happening right now but nobody cares. All they see is the moving boogeyman.
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Post by vintagecomics on Oct 26, 2022 6:35:14 GMT -8
This is a very interesting study for various reasons. For me, it's most interesting that the study paints people who I believe are HONORABLE (like Glen Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard) as people spreading misinformation, while the most dishonorable people are labelled as spreading correct information. Also surprising to me is that Fox news is bang in the middle. Imagine that? But probably the MOST interesting thing about that this piece, which itself purposes to blow the whistle on misinformation may actually be spreading misinformation. I'm going to need a scientist to figure this one out. Anybody? DISINFORMATION AND RUSSIA-UKRAINIAN WAR ON CANADIAN SOCIAL MEDIAThis is the piece I was talking about. ANYBODY who has an interest in this conflict should take a good, long HARD look at this piece of work. It's garbage political manipulation posing as science just like during the pandemic. The POTUS and the PM of Canada, both proven-beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt liars are marked as trust worthy. But Tulsi Gabbard and Glen Greenwald, two people I'd trust for factual information if my life depended on it are accused of spreading misinformation and lumped in with RT. This is how tyranny and true corruption work. And the public just eats it up. It's utterly ridiculous. From the 'study'
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Post by tacoman on Oct 26, 2022 6:41:55 GMT -8
I enjoy discussions. But you are vintagecomic's attack dog, following me around and making negative comments. Discussing anything with you would be a waste of my time. I'm going to put you on ignore right after I post this. I'm letting you know in advance so you don't think I'm being rude. He's not my attack dog and I believe he brings up valid points. The point he's trying to make here is that there is history to every conflict and it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. ------------------------------------------ There is a large, concerted media movement attacking anyone who questions the US involvement in the conflict. Why is that? I posted about it a few months ago and nobody even cared to respond. There is a large push [again] to label everyone who speaks negatively of the US' involvement as a spreader of 'misinformation' or 'disinformation'. Why is that? We saw this before with the pandemic. Anyone that didn't agree with the mainstream narrative was censored, attacked, shut down or cancelled, EVEN THOUGH THE MAINSTREAM NARRATIVE ENDED UP BEING WRONG. This is just a new event with the same game being played, putting people against each other, shoring public support and waging another way against something at the expense of the people involved. It likely, really has almost nothing to do with Russia wanting to invade Ukraine. It's more like the West wants Russia to invade Ukraine and Russia has no choice but to do it. All of that Ukraine / Russia / Trump / Clinton stuff from 2014-2020 has a LOT to do with what's happening right now but nobody cares. All they see is the moving boogeyman. You are a well known conspiracy junkie. Sometimes a duck is just a duck. Get your head out of the propaganda farms and the conspiracy sites and maybe it will clear up for you.
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Post by tacoman on Oct 26, 2022 6:43:36 GMT -8
This is a very interesting study for various reasons. For me, it's most interesting that the study paints people who I believe are HONORABLE (like Glen Greenwald and Tulsi Gabbard) as people spreading misinformation, while the most dishonorable people are labelled as spreading correct information. Also surprising to me is that Fox news is bang in the middle. Imagine that? But probably the MOST interesting thing about that this piece, which itself purposes to blow the whistle on misinformation may actually be spreading misinformation. I'm going to need a scientist to figure this one out. Anybody? DISINFORMATION AND RUSSIA-UKRAINIAN WAR ON CANADIAN SOCIAL MEDIAThis is the piece I was talking about. ANYBODY who has an interest in this conflict should take a good, long HARD look at this piece of work. It's garbage political manipulation posing as science just like during the pandemic. The POTUS and the PM of Canada, both proven-beyond-a-shadow-of-a-doubt liars are marked as trust worthy. But Tulsi Gabbard and Glen Greenwald, two people I'd trust for factual information if my life depended on it are accused of spreading misinformation and lumped in with RT. This is how tyranny and true corruption work. And the public just eats it up. It's utterly ridiculous. From the 'study'
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 26, 2022 6:44:24 GMT -8
Oh please. If that is the best you can do, then your knowledge of history is very shallow. When the Nazi Card is played as a response to a statement of such Conflicts in today's global turmoils, it is emotion and not cerebral logic being displayed. I enjoy discussions. But you are vintagecomic's attack dog, following me around and making negative comments. Discussing anything with you would be a waste of my time. I'm going to put you on ignore right after I post this. I'm letting you know in advance so you don't think I'm being rude. My goodness. Your interpretation of my posts is bizarre. I don't care who you are, or what your misguided interpretation of my posts are. I assure you I do not troll you. I simply question your interpretation of events. To make the claim that I am an attack dog for any other member is silly and simply pouting, and avoiding challenges to your statements and position of U.S. and world affairs. You started a thread on a subject of interest to the world, and any posts that questions your reasoning and conclusions of the Conflict, are answered in confusing avoidance. I understand if you think you are being informative by posting news that is available on a daily basis via any media method. That is not enjoying discussions. It is quite the opposite. I hope you do not assume that members are completely oblivious to the Conflict, and you are simply educating members. That is arrogance, not an invitation to discuss. As an example: member Tacoman responds to a member thus: " Or maybe you just oppose anything the President supports". You are silent. You respond to member Vintage (paraphrasing) " you are missing the point... read such and such....". You respond to my post/statement that we should not be supporting this Conflict, thus: "Would you have allowed NAZI Germany blahblahblah...". And you do not expect to be challenged? I could list many other examples in this thread and other threads of your curious commentary, but that is not my purpose in life. Are you fascinated by the death and destruction this Conflict is causing, at the expense of the world and the danger of world war, that you are dedicated to posting every article about it? Where in anything you posted is YOUR opinion on anything about the Conflict, other than answering in the negative of avoiding challenges? You reply to invitation to discussion and explaining your position si "I am going to ignore you and you don't want me to think you are rude. Fair enough. You are not rude. Why publicly post you are placing another member on ignore, as if it is a badge of honor and superiority to another member? After all, you could have simply ignored without the lookatme posturing, no? Stating I am following you around with negative comments is silly and elementary school pouting. Sillier is stating I am another member's attack dog. I don't know the member. I have never met the member. In fact, have only met 2 members over the years that are associated with this forum and/or CGC. What I do know, is Vintage has always stated his position clearly without gobbledygobbledness and avoidance. He is a liitle hung up and paranoid about Walmart, and he says negative things about me because he thinks I like him (I don't), BUT, he doesn't avoid conversations. Maybe you could emulate those traits, instead of thinking you are being targeted. Have you ever experienced armed Conflict? If so, I would be very surprised that you would avoid robust conversation. I am not harmed by your ignoring me (a supposed punishment of some sort, in your mind). You are. Maybe you will understand that, in the future. Suffice it to say, am not a supporter of shootemup Rambo stuff that does not completely digest the dangerous consequences. You appear to thrive on the good guy bad guy aspect. That is usually, as history informs us, wrong.
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Post by vintagecomics on Oct 26, 2022 6:54:13 GMT -8
US military forces 'fully prepared' to cross into UkraineU.S. military forces are "fully prepared" to cross into Ukraine at a moment's notice to fight a war against Russia . The Army's 101st Airborne Division, which boasts the "Screaming Eagles" moniker, has been deployed to Europe for the first time since World War II , practicing with live tank and artillery rounds not far from the Black Sea, across which Russia has taken territory from Ukraine, including Crimea, at a forward operating site on NATO's eastern flank, according to CBS News .
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Post by tacoman on Oct 26, 2022 6:55:22 GMT -8
I enjoy discussions. But you are vintagecomic's attack dog, following me around and making negative comments. Discussing anything with you would be a waste of my time. I'm going to put you on ignore right after I post this. I'm letting you know in advance so you don't think I'm being rude. My goodness. Your interpretation of my posts is bizarre. I don't care who you are, or what your misguided interpretation of my posts are. I assure you I do not troll you. I simply question your interpretation of events. To make the claim that I am an attack dog for any other member is silly and simply pouting, and avoiding challenges to your statements and position of U.S. and world affairs. You started a thread on a subject of interest to the world, and any posts that questions your reasoning and conclusions of the Conflict, are answered in confusing avoidance. I understand if you think you are being informative by posting news that is available on a daily basis via any media method. That is not enjoying discussions. It is quite the opposite. I hope you do not assume that members are completely oblivious to the Conflict, and you are simply educating members. That is arrogance, not an invitation to discuss. As an example: member Tacoman responds to a member thus: " Or maybe you just oppose anything the President supports". You are silent. You respond to member Vintage (paraphrasing) " you are missing the point... read such and such....". You respond to my post/statement that we should not be supporting this Conflict, thus: "Would you have allowed NAZI Germany blahblahblah...". And you do not expect to be challenged? I could list many other examples in this thread and other threads of your curious commentary, but that is not my purpose in life. Are you fascinated by the death and destruction this Conflict is causing, at the expense of the world and the danger of world war, that you are dedicated to posting every article about it? Where in anything you posted is YOUR opinion on anything about the Conflict, other than answering in the negative of avoiding challenges? You reply to invitation to discussion and explaining your position si "I am going to ignore you and you don't want me to think you are rude. Fair enough. You are not rude. Why publicly post you are placing another member on ignore, as if it is a badge of honor and superiority to another member? After all, you could have simply ignored without the lookatme posturing, no? Stating I am following you around with negative comments is silly and elementary school pouting. Sillier is stating I am another member's attack dog. I don't know the member. I have never met the member. In fact, have only met 2 members over the years that are associated with this forum and/or CGC. What I do know, is Vintage has always stated his position clearly without gobbledygobbledness and avoidance. He is a liitle hung up and paranoid about Walmart, and he says negative things about me because he thinks I like him (I don't), BUT, he doesn't avoid conversations. Maybe you could emulate those traits, instead of thinking you are being targeted. Have you ever experienced armed Conflict? If so, I would be very surprised that you would avoid robust conversation. I am not harmed by your ignoring me (a supposed punishment of some sort, in your mind). You are. Maybe you will understand that, in the future. Suffice it to say, am not a supporter of shootemup Rambo stuff that does not completely digest the dangerous consequences. You appear to thrive on the good guy bad guy aspect. That is usually, as history informs us, wrong. He just told you he put you on ignore and your response is to write a tldr page of garbage. You are one confused little lap monkey.
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 26, 2022 7:03:21 GMT -8
He's not my attack dog and I believe he brings up valid points. The point he's trying to make here is that there is history to every conflict and it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. ------------------------------------------ There is a large, concerted media movement attacking anyone who questions the US involvement in the conflict. Why is that? I posted about it a few months ago and nobody even cared to respond. There is a large push [again] to label everyone who speaks negatively of the US' involvement as a spreader of 'misinformation' or 'disinformation'. Why is that? We saw this before with the pandemic. Anyone that didn't agree with the mainstream narrative was censored, attacked, shut down or cancelled, EVEN THOUGH THE MAINSTREAM NARRATIVE ENDED UP BEING WRONG. This is just a new event with the same game being played, putting people against each other, shoring public support and waging another way against something at the expense of the people involved. It likely, really has almost nothing to do with Russia wanting to invade Ukraine. It's more like the West wants Russia to invade Ukraine and Russia has no choice but to do it. All of that Ukraine / Russia / Trump / Clinton stuff from 2014-2020 has a LOT to do with what's happening right now but nobody cares. All they see is the moving boogeyman. You are a well known conspiracy junkie. Sometimes a duck is just a duck. Get your head out of the propaganda farms and the conspiracy sites and maybe it will clear up for you. I note the absence of any reply by you to my question(s). Interesting. It s especially interesting that the post you are responding to is interpreted by you as conspiracy. Then, if so, counteract the conspiracy propaganda information with your historical information. Ducks can swim... can you (metaphor, so don't get indignant)?
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 26, 2022 7:05:25 GMT -8
My goodness. Your interpretation of my posts is bizarre. I don't care who you are, or what your misguided interpretation of my posts are. I assure you I do not troll you. I simply question your interpretation of events. To make the claim that I am an attack dog for any other member is silly and simply pouting, and avoiding challenges to your statements and position of U.S. and world affairs. You started a thread on a subject of interest to the world, and any posts that questions your reasoning and conclusions of the Conflict, are answered in confusing avoidance. I understand if you think you are being informative by posting news that is available on a daily basis via any media method. That is not enjoying discussions. It is quite the opposite. I hope you do not assume that members are completely oblivious to the Conflict, and you are simply educating members. That is arrogance, not an invitation to discuss. As an example: member Tacoman responds to a member thus: " Or maybe you just oppose anything the President supports". You are silent. You respond to member Vintage (paraphrasing) " you are missing the point... read such and such....". You respond to my post/statement that we should not be supporting this Conflict, thus: "Would you have allowed NAZI Germany blahblahblah...". And you do not expect to be challenged? I could list many other examples in this thread and other threads of your curious commentary, but that is not my purpose in life. Are you fascinated by the death and destruction this Conflict is causing, at the expense of the world and the danger of world war, that you are dedicated to posting every article about it? Where in anything you posted is YOUR opinion on anything about the Conflict, other than answering in the negative of avoiding challenges? You reply to invitation to discussion and explaining your position si "I am going to ignore you and you don't want me to think you are rude. Fair enough. You are not rude. Why publicly post you are placing another member on ignore, as if it is a badge of honor and superiority to another member? After all, you could have simply ignored without the lookatme posturing, no? Stating I am following you around with negative comments is silly and elementary school pouting. Sillier is stating I am another member's attack dog. I don't know the member. I have never met the member. In fact, have only met 2 members over the years that are associated with this forum and/or CGC. What I do know, is Vintage has always stated his position clearly without gobbledygobbledness and avoidance. He is a liitle hung up and paranoid about Walmart, and he says negative things about me because he thinks I like him (I don't), BUT, he doesn't avoid conversations. Maybe you could emulate those traits, instead of thinking you are being targeted. Have you ever experienced armed Conflict? If so, I would be very surprised that you would avoid robust conversation. I am not harmed by your ignoring me (a supposed punishment of some sort, in your mind). You are. Maybe you will understand that, in the future. Suffice it to say, am not a supporter of shootemup Rambo stuff that does not completely digest the dangerous consequences. You appear to thrive on the good guy bad guy aspect. That is usually, as history informs us, wrong. He just told you he put you on ignore and your response is to write a tldr page of garbage. You are one confused little lap monkey. Sigh...he read it, of course. Can you answer my question I posed to you? I am very interested.
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 26, 2022 7:07:45 GMT -8
Or maybe you just oppose anything the President supports. I would be interested, seriously, in understanding why the U.S. should support the Conflict, if you are of the opinion the U.S. should be supporting it. In case tacoman thinks he was not asked to opine on his position, instead of playing schoolyard nanananana.
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Post by barry on Oct 27, 2022 2:26:25 GMT -8
I enjoy discussions. But you are vintagecomic's attack dog, following me around and making negative comments. Discussing anything with you would be a waste of my time. I'm going to put you on ignore right after I post this. I'm letting you know in advance so you don't think I'm being rude. it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. True. It started on 2/27/14 with the Russian invasion of Crimea. The world did nothing, this emboldened Putin and led to the current invasion of Ukraine. This is how the real world works. There are consequences for weakness, real or perceived. Consult your history books for countless analogs. If we sat around and did nothing, Putin would invade other countries and become more entrenched and dangerous. Conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories. I'm sure someone out there is blaming "The Knights Templar" as well, but it doesn't mean I need to read their fevered ramblings.
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Post by barry on Oct 27, 2022 3:26:45 GMT -8
Great summary.
Retired general says Russia showing 'real dysfunction'
Retired Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling tells CNN's John Vause why Russian forces are dealing with shortages of crucial supplies and explains the impact of US military aid given to Ukraine.
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 27, 2022 3:35:24 GMT -8
it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. True. It started on 2/27/14 with the Russian invasion of Crimea. The world did nothing, this emboldened Putin and led to the current invasion of Ukraine. This is how the real world works. There are consequences for weakness, real or perceived. Consult your history books for countless analogs. If we sat around and did nothing, Putin would invade other countries and become more entrenched and dangerous. Conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories. I'm sure someone out there is blaming "The Knights Templar" as well, but it doesn't mean I need to read their fevered ramblings. The timeline is a little longer than that. It starts in 17 March 91, and the reform Movement. The attempted Coup in Aug 91 followed, and the secession of the Baltic States in Sept. 91, which eventually led to The Orange Revolution of 2004 placing NATO SUPPORTER Yushenko in power, instead of the USSR Puppet Yanuckovych, followed by the promises and wooing of the West Euro NATO partnerships (WITH THE FULL SUPPORT OF THE U.S). However, these promises were not kept, and by 2010, Communist Hardliner Yanukovych defeated Yushenko, ending the possibility of a NATO alliance. The Kremlin and Ukriane then signed a Gas Deal, and by doing so, the Soviet Navy was given a lease (meaning the SOVIETS NOW OWNED IT FOR AS LONG AS THEY WANTED), and Yanukovych exited talks with the EU, and immediately entered economic talks with Moscow. This was the beginning of the Kiev protests. I could continue up until now, BUT, I simply wanted to clear up the real start of the issue: the Failure of the Euro NATO Alliance and the U.S. to vote in Ukraine as a member between 2004 and 2010. Moscow has, since the Sept. 91 Secession, stated over and over and over, that it will eventually use Military Force to return Ukraine to its rightful owner: The Soviet Union. The point: the weakness AND CONSEQUENCES was and is the NATO Western Europe Alliance and the U.S. to consummate the partnership with Ukraine between 2004 and 2010, knowing that Moscow intended to invade. Truth in editing: Removed last sentence, so members are not offended and Moderation has been acknowledged by me.
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Post by Buzzetta on Oct 27, 2022 4:25:04 GMT -8
it didn't just start when Russia invaded the Ukraine 7 months ago even though everyone would like to pretend that's the case. True. It started on 2/27/14 with the Russian invasion of Crimea. The world did nothing, this emboldened Putin and led to the current invasion of Ukraine. This is how the real world works. There are consequences for weakness, real or perceived. Consult your history books for countless analogs. If we sat around and did nothing, Putin would invade other countries and become more entrenched and dangerous. Conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories. I'm sure someone out there is blaming "The Knights Templar" as well, but it doesn't mean I need to read their fevered ramblings. I agree with this. However, let us play Monday morning quarterback. How would things have played out if intervention was used? There are a few ways to look at this given the state of the world at the time. (Coming off of various economic crisis and the ongoing military presence in the Middle East.) It boils down to the debate on Neville Chamberlain. Did Chamberlain appease and / or acquiesce or did he do what he had to do with the understanding that England had to bide it's time until it was ready to respond with conviction?
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Post by parker1865 on Oct 27, 2022 4:44:13 GMT -8
The Chamberlain academic debate has had a fault line that has very rarely been addressed, although I once read a Paper by a brilliant USAWC Grad, that concluded the failure to share and convince the populace of the logic of position undermined TRUST.
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