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Post by vintagecomics on Aug 9, 2022 8:22:54 GMT -8
Could this explain the Trump raid? news.yahoo.com/trump-broke-law-removal-records-122500277.htmlIf Trump Broke Law on Removal of Records, Would He Be Barred From Office?Early reports that the FBI search of former President Donald Trump’s residence in Florida related to an investigation into whether he had unlawfully taken government files when he left the White House focused attention on an obscure criminal law barring removal of official records. The penalties for breaking that law include disqualification from holding any federal office.
Because Trump is widely believed to be preparing to run for president again in 2024, that unusual penalty raised the prospect that he might be legally barred from returning to the White House.
Specifically, the law in question — Section 2071 of Title 18 of the U.S. Code — makes it a crime if someone who has custody of government documents or records “willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies or destroys” them.If so, it's going to have the exact opposite effect they are intending to have...as with all other attempts at 'stopping Trump'. Trying to quash any progress by Trump supporters will only foment followers and make them push back even harder against the left. If you wanted to create resistance to your own cause, this would be the way to do it.
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Post by barry on Aug 10, 2022 4:24:15 GMT -8
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Post by parker1865 on Aug 10, 2022 5:15:22 GMT -8
I don't particularly make anything of it, and place it in the same category as the exact same issue POTUS Nixon encountered, without all the fanfare. I am not a fan of employing the word "raid" as a descriptor of the service of warrant and the process. The process was and is legal, until a Congressional review and U.S. Court determines it is not. The reason may or may not lend credence to any improper acts by any individual purportedly representing the U.S. interests, and could also lend credence that the acts were legal. It is 2022. What did anyone really expect, that is different from the preceding 2 years of any POTUS elections in 1952, 1960, 1968, 1972, 1980, etc., etc., or, more bluntly, any election since the establishment of the United States of America? Meanwhile, the Past POTUS is vacationing in NY today, so, what should we make of that, and is there a NYT guide offering? Perspective.....
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Post by barry on Aug 11, 2022 15:52:50 GMT -8
Here's my opinion.
I think Trump is an unbeatable candidate in the Primary Election. I also think he cannot win the General Election against anyone. I don't believe there was any material election tampering, and I think he lost to one of the worst candidates the Democrats have ever put forward. I think this raid will strengthen his base, but if he runs the Democratic base will strengthen even more. Trump is hated, and he's his own worst enemy because he never stops generating new enemies. His behavior during January 6th is unacceptable to most Americans and the GOP should figure this out and distance themselves from him as soon as possible. They need to stop him from playing Kingmaker.
If Trump doesn't run, I think Ron DeSantis would be a much stronger candidate in the General Election and has a decent chance of winning.
I think both Biden and Harris would lose against just about anyone except for Trump. The Democrats should find a better candidate.
I think both parties would benefit from more moderate candidates. I think the US is tired of hearing from the lunatic fringes.
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Post by microchip on Aug 12, 2022 1:05:24 GMT -8
Here's my opinion. I think Trump is an unbeatable candidate in the Primary Election. I also think he cannot win the General Election against anyone. I don't believe there was any material election tampering, and I think he lost to one of the worst candidates the Democrats have ever put forward. I think this raid will strengthen his base, but if he runs the Democratic base will strengthen even more. Trump is hated, and he's his own worst enemy because he never stops generating new enemies. His behavior during January 6th is unacceptable to most Americans and the GOP should figure this out and distance themselves from him as soon as possible. They need to stop him from playing Kingmaker. If Trump doesn't run, I think Ron DeSantis would be a much stronger candidate in the General Election and has a decent chance of winning. I think both Biden and Harris would lose against just about anyone except for Trump. The Democrats should find a better candidate. I think both parties would benefit from more moderate candidates. I think the US is tired of hearing from the lunatic fringes. Desantis is not moderate? There's nothing stopping the Dem's characterising him as a extremist...it's the single card they use these days. On the Dem's side, who have they go...Liz Chaney flipping to the Dem's? Thats if she survives whats coming before 2024.
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Post by barry on Aug 12, 2022 3:48:12 GMT -8
Here's my opinion. I think Trump is an unbeatable candidate in the Primary Election. I also think he cannot win the General Election against anyone. I don't believe there was any material election tampering, and I think he lost to one of the worst candidates the Democrats have ever put forward. I think this raid will strengthen his base, but if he runs the Democratic base will strengthen even more. Trump is hated, and he's his own worst enemy because he never stops generating new enemies. His behavior during January 6th is unacceptable to most Americans and the GOP should figure this out and distance themselves from him as soon as possible. They need to stop him from playing Kingmaker. If Trump doesn't run, I think Ron DeSantis would be a much stronger candidate in the General Election and has a decent chance of winning. I think both Biden and Harris would lose against just about anyone except for Trump. The Democrats should find a better candidate. I think both parties would benefit from more moderate candidates. I think the US is tired of hearing from the lunatic fringes. Desantis is not moderate? There's nothing stopping the Dem's characterising him as a extremist...it's the single card they use these days. On the Dem's side, who have they go...Liz Chaney flipping to the Dem's? Thats if she survives whats coming before 2024. I don't think I'd characterize Desantis as moderate, but others might. His views on abortion, guns, gender, climate and other issues seem to put him right of center. The Democrats are painting him as completely out of control and a threat to democracy. Ron DeSantis, unconstrained by constitutional checks, is flexing his power in Florida ahead of 2024 decision I could be wrong, but I don't see him enticing the moderate Democrat to switch sides for the next election. I don't think Cheney will survive. What's your opinion on all this?
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Post by parker1865 on Aug 12, 2022 4:32:16 GMT -8
Desantis is not moderate? There's nothing stopping the Dem's characterising him as a extremist...it's the single card they use these days. On the Dem's side, who have they go...Liz Chaney flipping to the Dem's? Thats if she survives whats coming before 2024. I don't think I'd characterize Desantis as moderate, but others might. His views on abortion, guns, gender, climate and other issues seem to put him right of center. The Democrats are painting him as completely out of control and a threat to democracy. Ron DeSantis, unconstrained by constitutional checks, is flexing his power in Florida ahead of 2024 decision I could be wrong, but I don't see him enticing the moderate Democrat to switch sides for the next election. I don't think Cheney will survive. What's your opinion on all this? My opinion is elect me.
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Post by vintagecomics on Aug 12, 2022 11:44:57 GMT -8
Desantis is not moderate? There's nothing stopping the Dem's characterising him as a extremist...it's the single card they use these days. On the Dem's side, who have they go...Liz Chaney flipping to the Dem's? Thats if she survives whats coming before 2024. The Democrats are painting him as completely out of control and a threat to democracy. That's what Democrats have been doing to ANYONE opposing them. All my US Liberal friends thought Trump was the greatest threat to democracy the US had ever seen. But they blindly swallowed the chum thrown to them that almost anybody could mail in a ballot with hardly any security checks. Personally, I'm in disbelief at how the US election was held. When I asked them why on earth the Democrats, who are now in power and screaming about democracy being threatened don't just make sure every frigging voting American HAS A VOTING ID like ALL OTHER DEVELOPED NATIONS so that it makes it EASIER FOR THEM ALL TO VOTE, they couldn't give me an answer. Almost every other developed and many POORER nations use voting ID to vote. But the most powerful county in the world doesn't make it happen. So who is the greatest threat to democracy? They just use specious, isolated political arguments to rile people up because NONE OF THEM are actually interested in solutions. They just pretend to be. And that article on Destantis moving 'unchecked'? Just more political whitewashing of the Dem's own sins. It's a hit piece and nothing more.
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Post by microchip on Aug 12, 2022 22:53:36 GMT -8
Desantis is not moderate? There's nothing stopping the Dem's characterising him as a extremist...it's the single card they use these days. On the Dem's side, who have they go...Liz Chaney flipping to the Dem's? Thats if she survives whats coming before 2024. I don't think I'd characterize Desantis as moderate, but others might. His views on abortion, guns, gender, climate and other issues seem to put him right of center. The Democrats are painting him as completely out of control and a threat to democracy. Ron DeSantis, unconstrained by constitutional checks, is flexing his power in Florida ahead of 2024 decision I could be wrong, but I don't see him enticing the moderate Democrat to switch sides for the next election. I don't think Cheney will survive. What's your opinion on all this? But that my point, the characterisation they use is now consistent, hyperbole piled upon hyperbole. Everyone will, if not already be numb to the hyperbolic accusations levelled at the opposition. And I don't think the Dem's know how not to do it. They have to go to extreme's to be focal point within their own party. Mildly attacking any Republican, will have you laughed at, firstly by the other Dem's. Chaney is now a hated figure. And her rhetoric again is her undoing, attacking the opposition, and zero acknowledgment, or recognition of her own shortcomings. She's her own worst enemy at this point.
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Post by barry on Aug 13, 2022 3:56:59 GMT -8
The Democrats are painting him as completely out of control and a threat to democracy. That's what Democrats have been doing to ANYONE opposing them. All my US Liberal friends thought Trump was the greatest threat to democracy the US had ever seen. But they blindly swallowed the chum thrown to them that almost anybody could mail in a ballot with hardly any security checks. Personally, I'm in disbelief at how the US election was held. When I asked them why on earth the Democrats, who are now in power and screaming about democracy being threatened don't just make sure every frigging voting American HAS A VOTING ID like ALL OTHER DEVELOPED NATIONS so that it makes it EASIER FOR THEM ALL TO VOTE, they couldn't give me an answer. Almost every other developed and many POORER nations use voting ID to vote. But the most powerful county in the world doesn't make it happen. So who is the greatest threat to democracy? They just use specious, isolated political arguments to rile people up because NONE OF THEM are actually interested in solutions. They just pretend to be. And that article on Destantis moving 'unchecked'? Just more political whitewashing of the Dem's own sins. It's a hit piece and nothing more. The Democrats lost all credibility smearing Trump. How many months/years did they play the Russia collusion/vote manipulation angle only for it to found to be a bunch of lies? No apology, no investigative journalism from the media. They just moved on to the next attack. At some point any intelligent person realizes it's all a game.
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Post by barry on Aug 13, 2022 4:11:36 GMT -8
But that my point, the characterisation they use is now consistent, hyperbole piled upon hyperbole. Everyone will, if not already be numb to the hyperbolic accusations levelled at the opposition. And I don't think the Dem's know how not to do it. They have to go to extreme's to be focal point within their own party. Mildly attacking any Republican, will have you laughed at, firstly by the other Dem's. Chaney is now a hated figure. And her rhetoric again is her undoing, attacking the opposition, and zero acknowledgment, or recognition of her own shortcomings. She's her own worst enemy at this point. I agree. Empathy is long gone, and the gaps have increased. The opposition is portrayed as a monster, rather then someone with a differing opinion. Both parties are guilty of this. But I must say, the Democrats have gotten worse over the years. Even those within their party are cancelled if they don't immediately virtue signal with the latest woke insanity.
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Post by vintagecomics on Aug 13, 2022 10:41:01 GMT -8
That's what Democrats have been doing to ANYONE opposing them. All my US Liberal friends thought Trump was the greatest threat to democracy the US had ever seen. But they blindly swallowed the chum thrown to them that almost anybody could mail in a ballot with hardly any security checks. Personally, I'm in disbelief at how the US election was held. When I asked them why on earth the Democrats, who are now in power and screaming about democracy being threatened don't just make sure every frigging voting American HAS A VOTING ID like ALL OTHER DEVELOPED NATIONS so that it makes it EASIER FOR THEM ALL TO VOTE, they couldn't give me an answer. Almost every other developed and many POORER nations use voting ID to vote. But the most powerful county in the world doesn't make it happen. So who is the greatest threat to democracy? They just use specious, isolated political arguments to rile people up because NONE OF THEM are actually interested in solutions. They just pretend to be. And that article on Destantis moving 'unchecked'? Just more political whitewashing of the Dem's own sins. It's a hit piece and nothing more. The Democrats lost all credibility smearing Trump. How many months/years did they play the Russia collusion/vote manipulation angle only for it to found to be a bunch of lies? No apology, no investigative journalism from the media. They just moved on to the next attack. At some point any intelligent person realizes it's all a game. We discussed the Russian Collusion in detail in the Watercooler on the CGC forums, if you can believe it. Moderation allowed it at the time. I can still remember all the usual fools condemning Trump like he was guilty. Meanwhile, I took a 'wait and see' approach and asked why intelligence was sharing information before the investigation. To me it all looked like nothing more than a political smear at the time. Anybody can go back and search the thread and find it. Meanwhile the usual maroons in that thread chose the wrong side....just as they did over the last two years during the Great Covid Wars. I'm absolutely flabbergasted that everyone knows the Russian collusion smear was manufactured out of nothing by Hilary Clinton and that she has not been charged / raided / investigated for it. This 'short game' play by political parties is doing so much harm to democracy and people's trust. Like, WHY ON EARTH WOULD ANYONE TRUST ANYTHING anymore? It's all lies and nothing is sacred.
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Post by barry on Aug 13, 2022 14:11:22 GMT -8
I disagree, but Maher believes Trump could win the General.
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Post by vintagecomics on Aug 13, 2022 14:23:09 GMT -8
Which part did you disagree with?
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Post by barry on Aug 13, 2022 14:41:42 GMT -8
Which part did you disagree with? That he can win the General. I explained a few posts back.
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