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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2022 8:39:46 GMT -8
It's a pointless discussion because you can't answer the basic guideline of research or Inquiry: Who, what, why and How.
Well there's plenty of survival goods available on Alex Jones' website for you.
Man, you are just another dis-ingenuous debater.
I provided the who/what/how/why with a post that took me 2 hours to write - you just keep spinning this into a political direction. This is an APOLITICAL DISCUSSION.
The facts are that Daszak took GREAT EFFORTS to deceive the scientific community over a span of 1.5 years, his deception was uncovered, he's been disgraced in the scientific community for NOT acting like a scientist and you can't admit what is black and white in front of any objective person because if you do, it will overturn everything else you seem to be guarding.
And the 'Alex Jones' poke is just another dis-ingenuous smear to try to discredit me. For the record? I don't think I've ever even been to his site.
I can't understand people's inability to stay away from public smear campaigns and just stick to the facts rather than spin, spin, spin.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2022 8:54:59 GMT -8
Yes Roy. In the same way you've dismissed my thoughts as 'Fauci lied', I dismiss yours as mouthwash cures.
I GET Fauci's situation. Information on covid changed rapidly. The mouthwash cure guy is just full of  .
Many of your allies have an underlying agenda. You're not too naive to be unaware of it, yet you don't seem to mind walking hand in hand with them and even making excuses for their stupidity. You want me to take you seriously when you try and justify mouthwash as a cure for covid19. Really?
Yeah, when the white supremist groups, take out their anger on Asian-Americans (many who aren't even Chinese) because of it, I'll think of how hard many of you fought to stir up the racism in these nut jobs.
And it obviously doesn't matter how much incorrect, bogus, or manipulative information you reiterate in order to get there does it? For you, like so many others on the Internet today, what YOU WANT is more important than the real truth.
Winning the argument and 'being right' is more important than worrying about little details of who you've sided with and what they're agenda is and what's true.... just so long as you can say 'Aha! See!' Even if it never is proven true or false, it makes your overall goal SEEM more true.
Still waiting on that whistleblower report to become real news.
But it doesn't matter if it becomes news or is even real, see? It's been SAID. It's been put out there. It could be 100% made up - but NOW, someone claiming to be an 'expert' has sent it out over the Internet and had it repeated by Roy and thousands of others and some dumb motherfuckers will think it's TRUE.
Is that the goal Roy? Does the end justify the means?
To get to the truth about anything, you have to be above it. You're right down there in the mud with it. I didn't dismiss it. Fauci said on public television in March of 2020 that masks don't work to preserve them. Then he flipped and said they do work. Then the CDC flipped again just a few weeks ago and stated that actually, masks DON'T work and we all need N95's.
But 'the science is changing'. 
No. We all knew 2 years ago that if you farted, you could smell it through your mask so if you can smell a fart, it doesn't filter out much. The flip-flopping wasn't the science, it was the politics.
You are so political you don't even make sense. You're convinced that only one side is right and one side is wrong. That's statistically IMPOSSIBLE.
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You keep reiterating 'mouthwash' the way Daszak reiterates 'conspiracy theory' to throw people off the trail, but I gave you a scientific explanation on why some antiseptics CAN and DO work. You've ignored addressing them and just keep throwing back 'mouthwash' as a smear. That's no different than a disingenuous headline contrast the truth in the article.
EDIT: Without saying whether I agree or disagree, the 'mouthwash' thing seems to be two things, an antiseptic wash and an antiseptic spray for the nostrils...because as Fauci stated the virus tens to build up in the nostrils and if the entry point is the mucous membrane at the mouth and nose, it seems plausible.
And JUST IMAGINE if it is actually true that a proper antiseptic can greatly reduce the chances of catching Covid by reducing the virus' ability to take hold early on and right at the entry point - 
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What the FREAKING HELL are you talking about racism for? 
We're talking about science. Facts. Discovery. The WIV. Are you saying we shouldn't investigate the origins of the pandemic because people are racist? Dude, that string of logic is nuts.
Are you saying we should only investigate if it's in America?
You realize that you are right on the same side as people who say science is racist right? There is a movement to SHUT DOWN S.T.E.M sciences because they believe science is racist.
They want to shut down the exact system that actually roots out racism.
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Whistleblowers take time. The legal process takes time. Discovery takes time.
It took 2 years for studies, legal challenges and evidence to build, but you are seeing a shift now.
In Canada, our PM is being charged for violating human rights by Brian Peckford, one of the guys who had a hand in writing the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
The wheels, as they say, are turning and history will be unkind to those who put personal and political interested above the welfare of the people.
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The end never justifies the means.
The truth can stand on it's own.
And Truth is the daughter of time, not of authority.
Enjoy your smear campaigns.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2022 16:52:38 GMT -8
you so readily accept this pseudo-science... even after it's been proven wrong... or just plain SILLY. I don't know of anyone who uses a mouthwash for their nostrils, but... Salivary glands and the throat are hotspots for virus reproduction. But they are NOT the primary targets for covid infection. So if people are pouring mouthwash in their nose... What is wrong with these people? My god, even Johnson & Johnson, the makers of Listerine, who could've made a FORTUNE just by staying quiet on the matter, issued a statement downplaying its use. You want credibility for your cause... people recommending this doesn't help. It makes them look silly. Did some reading. Funnily enough, Listerine might be effective against Covid. 
So, first of all, you're entirely wrong about how Covid infection works.
The virus generally enters through the nostrils and mouth where it sits and replicates for a few days before infection sets in and it spreads throughout the rest of the body. The principles of disinfecting the nostrils and mouth are to get the virus AS IT'S REPLICATING and reducing the viral load before it sets into the body.
Once it sets into the body, it can't be treated this way.
Even Fauci himself can be found quoted on video stating that the 'viral load in the nostrils among vaccinated and unvaccinated is about the same'
So the principle, as I explained twice, is this:
The spike protein, the DANGEROUS part of Covid is an oil based protein.
Any solvent that breaks down oil is going to break down the spike protein.
That's why alcohol based hand sanitizer works, as does ULTRA VIOLET LIGHT and BLEACH. 
The problem is, you can't pour bleach into your nose and mouth. You CAN shine an utlraviolet light and it WILL kill Covid in the nostrils.
What many medical staff are doing, and apparently this was done extremely effectively in Bangladesh, was they sprayed an iodine OR hydrogen peroxide mist into the nostrils and mouths of medical attendants and it seemed to have great effect.
The theory is this: If you can kill off the majority of the virus resting in the nostrils before it replicates and spreads into the body YOU REDUCE THE VIRAL LOAD or the amount of virus attacking the body and this in turn increases the chances of the body fighting it off on it's own with little effort AND it reduces severity if you do get sick.
So it seems that Trump's team may have actually been onto something but he was a lumbering oaf, couldn't say it properly and the media ran with it and villified and maligned his statements on the topic...and then it was buried from the public.
Amazing how that works, huh?
Here's some reading on the topic.
The NIH recommends studying Listerine among other things in his one
And this is some more recent reading from the NIH website.
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It seems that anybody politically charged misses the forest for the trees, meaning what is simple logic goes right over their heads.
Also, it's worth noting that I got this news all from a 'fringe source' the dreaded Joe Rogan. You won't hear anything about it on mainstream media because
a) it probably actually works and
b) because you can't monetize it....and well,
c) because we have trillions of vaccines to sell.
Anyway, there you go. I'd say that's a mic drop moment.
I know what you're going to say: It hasn't been clinically proven.
I know. That's because it seems impossible to get anyone to do or finish a trial that makes sense and may actually work.
Can you imagine when news possibly gets out one day that we could have prevented millions of deaths with mouthwash and iodine sprays?
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Post by Prince Namor on Feb 1, 2022 19:56:38 GMT -8
Man, you are just another dis-ingenuous debater.
Really I'm not. I'm just looking for a basic, simple answer of
WHO you think is doing this and WHY they are doing it and WHAT they have to gain from it.
You seem to think I'm against the idea it could happen, or IS happening or happened... I don't have a horse in the race either way, but I AM curious as to WHO you think is doing this and WHY they are doing it and WHAT they have to gain from it.
I don't want to read a 10,000 word thesis that I'm going to have to research your sources for - I already know I don't trust some of your sources - I don't want to put anymore time into it - it doesn't affect my life that much - so I asked for a simple breakdown and for some reason you can't seem to answer it.
I provided the who/what/how/why with a post that took me 2 hours to write - you just keep spinning this into a political direction. This is an APOLITICAL DISCUSSION.
What politics are you imagining now?
The facts are that Daszak took GREAT EFFORTS to deceive the scientific community over a span of 1.5 years, his deception was uncovered, he's been disgraced in the scientific community for NOT acting like a scientist and you can't admit what is black and white in front of any objective person because if you do, it will overturn everything else you seem to be guarding.
And you believe this benefited him... HOW? WHY did he do it?
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2022 22:31:57 GMT -8
The facts are that Daszak took GREAT EFFORTS to deceive the scientific community over a span of 1.5 years, his deception was uncovered, he's been disgraced in the scientific community for NOT acting like a scientist and you can't admit what is black and white in front of any objective person because if you do, it will overturn everything else you seem to be guarding.
And you believe this benefited him... HOW? WHY did he do it?
Isn't it clear?
Peter Daszak was performing Gain of Function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. He even stated it in his interview from late 2019 in detail. The money has been funnelled from both Fauci and the Pentagon through EcoHealth Alliance into the WIV for the research.
The clues are looking like the pandemic started out of WIV through an accidental lab leak, China looks to be covering it up, Daszak looks to be helping cover it up. Fauci looks to be involved in covering it up as well, although with all of his emails redacted, it's much tougher to prove Fauci's involvement/guilt than Daszak's, which have a lot more evidence and also conflict of interest.
It would help Daszak save his career if he could cover it up and he sure as hell tried to cover his tracks.
You're asking me to uncover every detail in what could be the greatest cover ups in human history. The questions you expect me to answer border on ridiculous sometimes.
What point are you trying to make that I'm missing?
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Also, no comments on the 'mouthwash'?
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 12, 2022 8:16:32 GMT -8
It would be nice after a debate if people came back and admitted to being wrong. 
The entire problem with society is rooted in the systemic problem that people refuse to back down when they're wrong.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 12, 2022 8:28:22 GMT -8
Most know that the protesters in Ottawa have been happening for 4 weeks now. What they may not know is that the protests were peaceful and mostly done by honest, hardworking Canadians.
The media and the Government have portrayed them as Nazis, radicals, insurrectionists. Our own Prime Minister called them 'fringe' and aligned them with rapists and misogynists. 
The CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Channel and it's subsidized by the Government. The CBC has been misportraying ALL protests during the entire pandemic. The CBC is basically a propaganda channel for the Canadian government, no different than the stuff that was behind the iron curtain in the 80s.
When 10,000+ people protested in Montreal, the CBC had a headline stating '100's protested' 
When 4 weeks ago there was a rally in Queen's Park, Toronto and 10,000 people gathered, they didn't even run an article on it. 
For the last 4 weeks, the protests in Ottawa have been conveyed as an 'annoyance', full of 'law breakers', Nazi flags and thugs robbing homeless people. 
Now that the tide has turned politically, and independent media has broken through the wall of lies put up by Legacy media the CBC has decided to put out a balanced piece.
Before this piece, you had REAL trouble finding any accurate footage or representation of what was actually happening on the ground in Ottawa.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 21, 2022 8:56:18 GMT -8
Most know that the protesters in Ottawa have been happening for 4 weeks now. What they may not know is that the protests were peaceful and mostly done by honest, hardworking Canadians.
The media and the Government have portrayed them as Nazis, radicals, insurrectionists. Our own Prime Minister called them 'fringe' and aligned them with rapists and misogynists. 
The CBC is the Canadian Broadcasting Channel and it's subsidized by the Government. The CBC has been misportraying ALL protests during the entire pandemic. The CBC is basically a propaganda channel for the Canadian government, no different than the stuff that was behind the iron curtain in the 80s.
When 10,000+ people protested in Montreal, the CBC had a headline stating '100's protested' 
When 4 weeks ago there was a rally in Queen's Park, Toronto and 10,000 people gathered, they didn't even run an article on it.
For the last 4 weeks, the protests in Ottawa have been conveyed as an 'annoyance', full of 'law breakers', Nazi flags and thugs robbing homeless people. 
Now that the tide has turned politically, and independent media has broken through the wall of lies put up by Legacy media the CBC has decided to put out a balanced piece.
Before this piece, you had REAL trouble finding any accurate footage or representation of what was actually happening on the ground in Ottawa.
This is how the media spins the actual news from what's happening on the ground to your screen.
On Friday, Feb 18th two people were trampled by police on Horses. This is the video.
The lady was using a 'walking assist' shouting "peace and love" as can be seen in the video.
The police below posted a picture and a statement saying someone 'threw' a bicycle at the horses. The 'bicycle' was the lady's walking apparatus.
The Ottawa Police released a tweet later that evening, Feb 18th 10:21PM stating that there were no injuries during police action of the protests.
An outright lie.
The woman is in hospital with a dislocated shoulder
Ontario Special Investigations are investigating the incident.
There was a reporter who was assaulted as well.She is seeking legal action against the police.
There has been NO VIOLENCE on the part of the protesters. They have all been peaceful.
The only violence has been coming from the police.
This sort of thuggery, lies and tyranny is what we're dealing with in Canada.
The most terrifying part of this all is that NONE OF THE CANADIAN MAINSTREAM MEDIA will carry any of this news.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 21, 2022 9:43:32 GMT -8
The Canadian legacy media has covered this entire event portraying the Canadians protesting were a bunch of nazis, extremists, trouble makers, radicals and terrorists. This is the media that everyone trusts.
Anyone who has seen ANY real footage of the protest knows that it was anything but.
The nazi and confederate flags shown all over the media were pics taken by Trudeau's own personal photographer and some suspect they were staged
The photographer has since deleted his twitter account
The Ottawa convoy protest was basically a 4 week long celebration of diversity, Canada and freedom.
I know dozens of people personally who went to Ottawa. Some have been there for weeks and they all had the same thing to say.
This quote from a friend of mine sums it all up after I asked him if he had any thoughts about his trip to Ottawa (he is still there):
Unity like I’ve never experienced. Powerful. Most Canadian experience I’ve ever had. Restored a lot of hope for me. Of course now the interim Ottawa police chief is claiming everyone will be arrested for participating in the last couple of days, so, 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 22, 2022 7:29:36 GMT -8
As the final nail in the coffin on what has been a misinformation campaign by the Canadian legacy media, the CBC has absolutely NO news of the elderly, indigenous woman who was trampled by a police horse.
You can do a search on their website.
They only article they have is this one, with a misleading headline:
This is the world that was brought to you by the 'scientists' and the intelligent that implicitly trusted their authorities over the last 2 years. It's a world of lies and twists, and even when the truth is uncovered, nobody cares anymore.
You can write a news article about a blatant lie and as long as you retract it, everything is OK because once the public has been swayed nothing else matters.
This is the news that shapes your world.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 27, 2022 15:45:00 GMT -8
The push to prevent ANY discussion from happening on EITHER side of any crisis is putting our society on a path towards destruction by perpetually dividing everyone into two camps.
What the media does is hide one side of a story and push another side calling anyone a traitor if they even question the narrative.
Like every contemporary war in since 9/11 the media leads the public to believe that the opposite side is irrational and 'crazy' and a narrative is pushed to gain public approval and no nuance is allowed.
With Iraq it was Weapons of Mass Destruction that never existed but ended up being an oil conquest.
With the Balkan war it was spearheaded as a humanitarian cause when the goal was to build a pipeline to destabilize Russia.
Why is this war any different?
Glen Greenwald, one of the most respected investigative journalists in the world offers a balanced view on what is happening in the war with Russia.
The main point I got from this video was comparing Cuba to the Ukraine and the idea roughly is this: How would the US react if hey felt that Cuba might side with Russia and allow a military installation just 100 miles from the US border? This mirrors the exact situation happening in Europe right now after Russia has been signalling for years that they would not respond kindly if Ukraine became a NATO member, allowing military bases just hundreds of miles from Moscow.
This is a balanced discussion on the topic that you wont' find any any mainstream news that cuts right through the quagmire and BS. Rather than read news articles, it's discussions like this that should be your first go to on a major crisis.
You can skip the first 15 minutes
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Post by vintagecomics on May 26, 2022 11:13:36 GMT -8
If you've been wondering why everyone is talking about Elon Musk and trying to slander and libel him publicly, this is why.
There is an organized campaign against Musk's takeover of Twitter.
Much of the campaign is funded by Bill Gates, The Clinton's, Obama, Soros and other like minded individuals who are opposed to more freedom of speech and a pulling back of the speech restrictions imposed by the mostly left swinging media already.
So what did they do? They spent MILLIONS trying to orchestrate a campaign against Musk.
Considering we've just experiencing the two largest censorship campaigns in human history - the suppression of the investigation into the Lab Leak Theory and the discussion on Vaccine Injuries, campaigns which are now undeniable and equivocal, you have to wonder why anybody would want more suppression of free speech and entanglement?
Do you still think this is all a conspiracy theory?
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Post by vintagecomics on Jun 7, 2022 7:27:16 GMT -8
This is one of the funniest things I've heard in years.
And just so that people are aware, until relatively recently I was so apolitical I didn't even know what the differences were between the left and the right...but the pandemic certainly made sure I found out.
This is Gold.
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Post by vintagecomics on Jun 10, 2022 11:35:21 GMT -8
44% THINK MUCH OF THE INFORMATION FROM NEWS ORGANIZATIONS IS FALSE
Almost half of those interviewed found themselves agreeing with the statement “much of the information we receive from news organizations is false.”
While this means a majority of Canadians have some trust in news organizations, more than 13 million adults (extrapolating 44% to an adult population of 29.5 million) don’t.
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52% THINK OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTS OF EVENTS CAN’T BE TRUSTED
More than half of those interviewed found themselves agreeing with the statement “official government accounts of events can’t be trusted”
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Post by Prince Namor on Jun 11, 2022 21:53:25 GMT -8
If you've been wondering why everyone is talking about Elon Musk and trying to slander and libel him publicly, this is why.
There is an organized campaign against Musk's takeover of Twitter.
Much of the campaign is funded by Bill Gates, The Clinton's, Obama, Soros and other like minded individuals who are opposed to more freedom of speech and a pulling back of the speech restrictions imposed by the mostly left swinging media already.
So what did they do? They spent MILLIONS trying to orchestrate a campaign against Musk.
Considering we've just experiencing the two largest censorship campaigns in human history - the suppression of the investigation into the Lab Leak Theory and the discussion on Vaccine Injuries, campaigns which are now undeniable and equivocal, you have to wonder why anybody would want more suppression of free speech and entanglement?
Do you still think this is all a conspiracy theory?
You’re using Brietbart as a source and claiming no politics? Hilarious. And most of that info is suspect, unsupported, and misleading, but you don’t care as long as it supports your agenda. |
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