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Post by kav on Dec 9, 2022 18:54:25 GMT -8
I think we're at an impasse. i'd appreciate it if you wouldnt say things like 'i cant believe you are really questioning this' which translates to 'i'm obviously right and you are obviously wrong' or 'I'm assuming you want to believe the vaccines work so badly that you just won't admit that they are not working', which calls for the operation of my mind and asserts i am intellectually dishonest. i make my argument based on my understanding of the immune systems and how vaccines work. mobilizing b and t lymphocytes, basophils, neutrophils and eosinophils, macrophages, natural killer cells, cytokines, dendritic cells, defensins, monocytes, and how they all interact. It probably would have been better if I hadn't said those things but I did because I was genuinely surprised at how much you either didn't know or don't believe about my position since I've been clear and posting on all the same points for a year. To me my argument is bulletproof. These are established, unequivocal facts. The vaccines do not stop transmission as they were advertised to. The vaccines do not prevent infection as they were advertised to. They do not eradicate Covid as they were advertised to. They are less effective than we were told they were. They are less safe than we were told they were. The majority of people who have Covid infections now are vaccinated. You can agree to disagree but those are the what the SCIENCE proves. i disagree but there is no point in debating it further. i could state for the third time that the more people that get vaccinated, the more vaccinated with covid there are, and if 100% were vaccinated then 100% of people with covid were vaccinated and that means nothing, for example but it would be pointless.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 9, 2022 18:57:31 GMT -8
The majority of people who have Covid infections now are vaccinated. i disagree but there is no point in debating it further. i could state for the third time that the more people that get vaccinated, the more vaccinated with covid there are, and if 100% were vaccinated then 100% of people with covid were vaccinated and that means nothing, for example but it would be pointless. What it means, is that the Covid vaccines do not prevent infection like we were told they were. Which makes my point.
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Post by kav on Dec 9, 2022 18:59:45 GMT -8
i disagree but there is no point in debating it further. i could state for the third time that the more people that get vaccinated, the more vaccinated with covid there are, and if 100% were vaccinated then 100% of people with covid were vaccinated and that means nothing, for example but it would be pointless. What it means, is that the Covid vaccines do not prevent infection like we were told they were. Which makes my point. i'm going to avoid repeating myself in rebuttal. as i said we're at an impasse.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 9, 2022 22:13:45 GMT -8
"Myocarditis can be a potentially lethal complication following mRNA-based anti Sars-COV-2 vaccination"
- German cardiologist society
Definitive pathological evidence from autopsy showing death from "mild" myocarditis induced from Covid-19 mRNA vaccines.
Quote below is from the "Show more" info section below the video summarising the video - includes link to study (published and peer reviewed)
"Our findings establish the histological phenotype of lethal vaccination-associated myocarditis.
Standardized autopsies
Performed on 25 persons
25 bodies found unexpectedly dead at home,
within 20 days following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination"
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 11:25:54 GMT -8
"Myocarditis can be a potentially lethal complication following mRNA-based anti Sars-COV-2 vaccination" - German cardiologist society Definitive pathological evidence from autopsy showing death from "mild" myocarditis induced from Covid-19 mRNA vaccines. Quote below is from the "Show more" info section below the video summarising the video - includes link to study (published and peer reviewed) "Our findings establish the histological phenotype of lethal vaccination-associated myocarditis. Standardized autopsies Performed on 25 persons 25 bodies found unexpectedly dead at home, within 20 days following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination" sigh. i keep repeating myself but its like youre not listening. i've already addressed myocarditis just like i explained 3 times about % rates of vaccinated people with covid.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 10, 2022 11:54:53 GMT -8
"Myocarditis can be a potentially lethal complication following mRNA-based anti Sars-COV-2 vaccination" - German cardiologist society sigh. i keep repeating myself but its like youre not listening. i've already addressed myocarditis just like i explained 3 times about % rates of vaccinated people with covid. You stated that mRNA vaccines are safe and refused to believe otherwise because it was all "noise", and yet the German Cardiologist Society performed autopsies on people who died suddenly and provided pathological proof that the vaccines caused "mild" myocarditis and the people died from complications arising from the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines. I genuinely don't understand your point. What am I not listening to? Did you watch the video?
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 12:03:18 GMT -8
sigh. i keep repeating myself but its like youre not listening. i've already addressed myocarditis just like i explained 3 times about % rates of vaccinated people with covid. You stated that mRNA vaccines are safe and refused to believe otherwise because it was all "noise", and yet the German Cardiologist Society performed autopsies on people who died suddenly and provided pathological proof that the vaccines caused "mild" myocarditis and the people died from complications arising from the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines. I genuinely don't understand your point. What am I not listening to? Did you watch the video? i'm not going to explain why myocarditis from vaccine is irrelevant again. i did not watch the video. i already understand you can get myocarditis from vaccines, and why it is irrelevant.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 10, 2022 12:41:59 GMT -8
You stated that mRNA vaccines are safe and refused to believe otherwise because it was all "noise", and yet the German Cardiologist Society performed autopsies on people who died suddenly and provided pathological proof that the vaccines caused "mild" myocarditis and the people died from complications arising from the Covid-19 mRNA vaccines. I genuinely don't understand your point. What am I not listening to? Did you watch the video? i'm not going to explain why myocarditis from vaccine is irrelevant again. i did not watch the video. i already understand you can get myocarditis from vaccines, and why it is irrelevant. 1st, I'm not sure why you'd even bother replying to my post if you're not going to have a proper discussion. Just to oppose something without explanation? It's a general coronavirus post with relevant information from someone credible who I have been posting info from for 3 years now. You really should watch the video. 2nd, pathological evidence showing Myocarditis induced from an mRNA vaccine shuts down the argument that many have been spewing that these vaccines are "safe" and not causing any harm. They're NOT as safe as you were told and the harm is being proven. This is NOT a small thing. 3rd, it firmly PROVES that there are MANY things unknown from these vaccines that we are STILL LEARNING as we experiment on humans by mandating them, or forcing them to take them to remain members of active society. . 4th, it's a public discussion that MUST be had. Because these were forced on people and the discussion was suppressed. Know exactly how safe or unsafe these actually are is the point. If you don't want to discuss that point, don't discuss but don't try to get me not to discuss it. 5th and finally, if you're trying to equivocate that side effects from Covid-19 are the same from a vaccine that has yet to be proven and it won't be proven by Kav posting on the Comic Book Forum. It will be proven through discussion and science . Some family members who are very close to me experienced myocarditis from vaccination that did not experience it from previous Covid-19 infection. They did not need to get vaccinated because they had full exposure to the original strains of Covid but did it because they were pressured into it. If you'd had this sort of thing so close to home hit your family, you'd be singing a different tune. So, pretend that vaccine injuries are not happening if you like, or that they are not as serious as Covid injuries but I'm not going to. The proof is coming out daily and I plan to share it.
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 12:44:51 GMT -8
i'm not going to explain why myocarditis from vaccine is irrelevant again. i did not watch the video. i already understand you can get myocarditis from vaccines, and why it is irrelevant. 1st, I'm not sure why you'd even bother replying to my post if you're not going to have a proper discussion. Just to oppose something without explanation? rather than explain it again when it didnt 'take' the first or second time i explained it, it would be better if you went back and sought out my posts. searching for an answer is always more effective than just hearing it. when one disagrees with something the mind tends to blot it out and they have no recall of it later. actively searching uses a different part of the brain. youre obviously good at learning i'm sure you are aware of this-active vs passive knowledge acquisition.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 10, 2022 12:47:09 GMT -8
Remember when we used to make fun of American Big Pharma commercials with all the side effects listed at the end of the commercial. "Complications may include suicide, death..." They're so bad that comedians parody them. Why don't they have commercials like that for these vaccines? Oh yeah, I know why. BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T FULLY TESTED THEM YET AND DON'T KNOW ALL THE SIDE EFFECTS YET. Unbelievable what people will choose to defend based on their own biases.
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 10, 2022 12:51:45 GMT -8
1st, I'm not sure why you'd even bother replying to my post if you're not going to have a proper discussion. Just to oppose something without explanation? rather than explain it again when it didnt 'take' the first or second time i explained it, it would be better if you went back and sought out my posts. searching for an answer is always more effective than just hearing it. when one disagrees with something the mind tends to blot it out and they have no recall of it later. actively searching uses a different part of the brain. youre obviously good at learning i'm sure you are aware of this-active vs passive knowledge acquisition. You made two points that I recall. 1) that these vaccines are "safe and effective", which they most certainly are not - I've already proven using your own words that they are neither safe nor as effective as they were advertised and 2) you contend that there is no difference between side effects from the vaccines and side effects from Covid-19 which is IMPOSSIBLE to prove yet, since studies are still coming out - they take time, which is why it traditionally takes a decade or longer from "idea to arm" for a full picture of pharmaceutical side effects You seem to pick and choose which information you listen to, just like when you said not to listen to Fauci but then to listen to some of what he said. You'd do better to say "we don't know yet" than to put your foot down and be adamant that they're safe.
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 12:59:09 GMT -8
rather than explain it again when it didnt 'take' the first or second time i explained it, it would be better if you went back and sought out my posts. searching for an answer is always more effective than just hearing it. when one disagrees with something the mind tends to blot it out and they have no recall of it later. actively searching uses a different part of the brain. youre obviously good at learning i'm sure you are aware of this-active vs passive knowledge acquisition. You made two points that I recall. 1) that these vaccines are "safe and effective", which they most certainly are not - I've already proven using your own words that they are neither safe nor as effective as they were advertised and 2) you contend that there is no difference between side effects from the vaccines and side effects from Covid-19 which is IMPOSSIBLE to prove yet, since studies are still coming out - they take time, which is why it traditionally takes a decade or longer from "idea to arm" for a full picture of pharmaceutical side effects You seem to pick and choose which information you listen to, just like when you said not to listen to Fauci but then to listen to some of what he said. You'd do better to say "we don't know yet" than to put your foot down and be adamant that they're safe. can you explain how part of a viral protein can have a worse effect than all of the viral proteins-plus the nucleic acid? if you can i'll be on board. covid viruses have the exact same protein as the vaccine, plus tons more and the active nucleic acid. its saying part is more dangerous than the whole.
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 13:03:57 GMT -8
in other words, the covid virus contains the vaccine, plus lots more.
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Post by kav on Dec 10, 2022 13:19:57 GMT -8
maybe we can still agree-do you think getting covid is worse than getting the vaccine?
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Post by vintagecomics on Dec 10, 2022 13:48:16 GMT -8
maybe we can still agree-do you think getting covid is worse than getting the vaccine? It all depends on demographics. This has been my point all along. You can't force a drug mandate across society assume it's the same for everyone. That's not science, it's tyranny. For young people with strong, vibrant immune systems, the vaccine can be worse than the with Covid-19 and the evidence seems to be bearing this out, which is why many countries have STOPPED offering vaccines for young people. For elderly or any people with co-morbidities, it will be the opposite and they likely should get vaccinated against Covid-19. Risk needs to be STRATIFIED and forcing it on people who don't need it is tyrannical. There was NO reason to inoculate millions of children for something they are naturally immune to when the risk is so low of complications from Covid-19 that the vaccines post a greater potential danger to them than SARS-Cov-2. the people who forced this on children. They deserve nasty things to happen to them. And that doesn't even touch the point that we don't yet know what the long term risks of these vaccines are. That takes years to figure out. Women's periods are being affected, and in much greater numbers than the media is sharing. Nearly every woman I know that's been vaccinated has been affected in some way. What if we damaged the human reproductive system across society? Something like that could significantly affect the human race. Things like that are things that nobody is discussing because it was censored from the public discussion.
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