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Post by steveinthecity on Feb 1, 2021 11:02:20 GMT -8
If you have 15 mins to listen to this article, it ties a lot of the info together and implicates Fauci to the Covid-19 related researching in Wuhan and the funding, even when it was banned for a short time by the Obama administration.
What is probably MOST disturbing is that Peter Daszak, who penned an article in the Lanclet back in FEBRURAY, 2020 before the pandemic even broke out tried to trash anyone who suggested that the virus was not of natural origin. Peter Daszak is apparently on the WHO team in Wuhan investigating the virus origins and has NO PLANS of investigating the Wuhan lab where most of the world's work on bat coronaviruses is performed.
If this is all true, something smells rotten in Wuhan.
This is long but worthwhile and nobody is being forced to read it.
So, I did a bit of reading and all the articles I find seem to say the same thing with none contradicting each other in any key evidence - not even the left wing apologist news sites (linked at the bottom) contradict the key facts relevant to the story.
This will give you some more insight not only into the investigation of the origins of the lab leak theory and funding but also into reparations as well as this pdf discusses lawsuits against China. This is a great 'all in one' piece on the Fauci involvement and the WIV studies.
In 2014 the US government enacted a Gain Of Function (COF) research moratorium under the Obama administration due to fears about the dangers of the research which included lab leaks.
Fauci circumvented the ban and in 2015 with a Federal grant paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) $3.7MIL to continue GOF research to circumvent the moratorium back home in the USA.
The grant given was to do GOF research at WIV on Flu, SARS and MERS by changing their characteristics to make them more contagious and more dangerous and then to study the effects.
Currently, the ethics of using a Federal grant by Fauci to circumvent GOF research off shore is being investigated.
What is MOST interesting about this is that the name Peter Daszak keeps popping up through all of this. He is the president of EcoHealth, a non profit company.
It turns out that Fauci's grant money was sent through Peter Daszak's EcoHealth non-profit company who works with the UK's NIH (National Institute of Health) and does GOF research for the NIH in WIV.
Important to remember that Peter Daszak was the person who penned the Lancelet article below in Feb 2020 at the start of the pandemic and this is what he said:
We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.
Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture.14 We want you, the science and health professionals of China, to know that we stand with you in your fight against this virus.
In emails obtained by other sources there are some interesting insights:
The 27 authors “strongly condemn[ed] conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” and reported that scientists from multiple countries “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” The letter included no scientific references to refute a lab-origin theory of the virus. One scientist, Linda Saif, asked via email whether it would be useful “to add just one or 2 statements in support of why nCOV is not a lab generated virus and is naturally occuring? Seems critical to scientifically refute such claims!” Daszak responded, “I think we should probably stick to a broad statement.”
Daszak certainly looks like he's trying to dissuade people from following any theory other than the natural origin theory at the Wuhan wet market and he is also extremely apologetic to the Chinese government.
Here is a video of Daszak admitting to the type of Coronavirus GOF research being done in Wuhan. This interview was taken on Dec 9 2019, just a few weeks before China announced the outbreak.
There's more. Apparently, Daszak has gotten $10's of millions in funding from the Pentagon for the same research and eventually hit up grant givers for $1BIL to continue research.
The reason why Peter Daszak's GOF research (and any scientist performing GOF research) would be wary of being blamed for a lab leak is obvious. The research money would dry up, just like it did in 2014 when Obama cut funding to GOF research in the US and even pulled back money that was slated for future research.
Here is the final kicker.
Peter Daszak is on the investigative team on the ground in Wuhan RIGHT NOW and there are NO plans to investigate the possibility of Covid-19 escaping from a lab.
You read that right. NO PLANS FOR THE INVESTIGATION TEAM TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF COVID-19 ESCAPING FROM A LAB. 
This is very possibly why China was so resistant to allowing investigators into Wuhan in the 1st place (really? It took a year to get a team on the ground to investigate the most serious global event to ever happen on planet earth?)
News sources questioning Daszak's role in the pandemic.
Finally, a GREAT from the WSJ penned by Alina Chan who was one of the earliest scientists to suggest that Covid-19 could have leaked from a lab and was ridiculed for suggesting so by her peers.
A team of WHO researchers has arrived in China but won’t investigate the possibility that the coronavirus originated in a lab.
Couple all of the above with the strong belief that Bret Weinstein believes that there is a 90% chance that Covid-19 escaped from a lab.
Now can someone explain to me why this isn't plastered all over the news?
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I think I’m detecting a pattern!  You make me really not want to read any links when words like this are sprinkled into the comments. I realize that’s my problem and not yours. |
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Post by barry on Feb 1, 2021 13:10:40 GMT -8
If you have 15 mins to listen to this article, it ties a lot of the info together and implicates Fauci to the Covid-19 related researching in Wuhan and the funding, even when it was banned for a short time by the Obama administration.
What is probably MOST disturbing is that Peter Daszak, who penned an article in the Lanclet back in FEBRURAY, 2020 before the pandemic even broke out tried to trash anyone who suggested that the virus was not of natural origin. Peter Daszak is apparently on the WHO team in Wuhan investigating the virus origins and has NO PLANS of investigating the Wuhan lab where most of the world's work on bat coronaviruses is performed. If this is all true, something smells rotten in Wuhan.
This is long but worthwhile and nobody is being forced to read it.
So, I did a bit of reading and all the articles I find seem to say the same thing with none contradicting each other in any key evidence - not even the left wing apologist news sites (linked at the bottom) contradict the key facts relevant to the story. This will give you some more insight not only into the investigation of the origins of the lab leak theory and funding but also into reparations as well as this pdf discusses lawsuits against China. This is a great 'all in one' piece on the Fauci involvement and the WIV studies.
In 2014 the US government enacted a Gain Of Function (COF) research moratorium under the Obama administration due to fears about the dangers of the research which included lab leaks.
Fauci circumvented the ban and in 2015 with a Federal grant paid the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) $3.7MIL to continue GOF research to circumvent the moratorium back home in the USA. The grant given was to do GOF research at WIV on Flu, SARS and MERS by changing their characteristics to make them more contagious and more dangerous and then to study the effects. Currently, the ethics of using a Federal grant by Fauci to circumvent GOF research off shore is being investigated.
What is MOST interesting about this is that the name Peter Daszak keeps popping up through all of this. He is the president of EcoHealth, a non profit company.
It turns out that Fauci's grant money was sent through Peter Daszak's EcoHealth non-profit company who works with the UK's NIH (National Institute of Health) and does GOF research for the NIH in WIV. Important to remember that Peter Daszak was the person who penned the Lancelet article below in Feb 2020 at the start of the pandemic and this is what he said: We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin.
Conspiracy theories do nothing but create fear, rumours, and prejudice that jeopardise our global collaboration in the fight against this virus. We support the call from the Director-General of WHO to promote scientific evidence and unity over misinformation and conjecture.14 We want you, the science and health professionals of China, to know that we stand with you in your fight against this virus.
In emails obtained by other sources there are some interesting insights: The 27 authors “strongly condemn[ed] conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin,” and reported that scientists from multiple countries “overwhelmingly conclude that this coronavirus originated in wildlife.” The letter included no scientific references to refute a lab-origin theory of the virus. One scientist, Linda Saif, asked via email whether it would be useful “to add just one or 2 statements in support of why nCOV is not a lab generated virus and is naturally occuring? Seems critical to scientifically refute such claims!” Daszak responded, “I think we should probably stick to a broad statement.”
Daszak certainly looks like he's trying to dissuade people from following any theory other than the natural origin theory at the Wuhan wet market and he is also extremely apologetic to the Chinese government.
Here is a video of Daszak admitting to the type of Coronavirus GOF research being done in Wuhan. This interview was taken on Dec 9 2019, just a few weeks before China announced the outbreak.
There's more. Apparently, Daszak has gotten $10's of millions in funding from the Pentagon for the same research and eventually hit up grant givers for $1BIL to continue research. The reason why Peter Daszak's GOF research (and any scientist performing GOF research) would be wary of being blamed for a lab leak is obvious. The research money would dry up, just like it did in 2014 when Obama cut funding to GOF research in the US and even pulled back money that was slated for future research.
Here is the final kicker. Peter Daszak is on the investigative team on the ground in Wuhan RIGHT NOW and there are NO plans to investigate the possibility of Covid-19 escaping from a lab.
You read that right. NO PLANS FOR THE INVESTIGATION TEAM TO INVESTIGATE THE POSSIBILITY OF COVID-19 ESCAPING FROM A LAB. This is very possibly why China was so resistant to allowing investigators into Wuhan in the 1st place (really? It took a year to get a team on the ground to investigate the most serious global event to ever happen on planet earth?) News sources questioning Daszak's role in the pandemic.
Finally, a GREAT from the WSJ penned by Alina Chan who was one of the earliest scientists to suggest that Covid-19 could have leaked from a lab and was ridiculed for suggesting so by her peers.
A team of WHO researchers has arrived in China but won’t investigate the possibility that the coronavirus originated in a lab. Couple all of the above with the strong belief that Bret Weinstein believes that there is a 90% chance that Covid-19 escaped from a lab.
Now can someone explain to me why this isn't plastered all over the news?
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Left wing apologists
I think we'll get to the bottom of this eventually after it's investigated. The world will demand answers. I'm keeping an open mind. I don't know if the US under the Obama administration (and Fauci) shares blame for outsourcing something so dangerous. I don't know if "weaponized" is the right term, or if it was just made more aggressive to develop useful vaccines. There are a lot of questions. I do believe it was developed and leaked out of that Wuhan lab though. |
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Post by barry on Feb 1, 2021 13:19:02 GMT -8
Watch the video.
Infectious Disease Expert Warns ‘Category 5’ COVID-19 Hurricane Is About To Hit
Michael Osterholm says the U.K. variant will take the U.S. to a frightening new level.
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Post by barry on Feb 1, 2021 13:26:11 GMT -8
Infectious disease expert warns double-masking ‘can do more harm’
“If you add on another mask, you may actually make it tougher for the air to move through the two-cloth area, and then at that point it causes more air to actually leak around the sides, which actually enhances your ability to get infected,” Osterholm told NBC anchor Chuck Todd on “Meet the Press” Sunday.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 15:32:55 GMT -8
This is long but worthwhile and nobody is being forced to read it.
So, I did a bit of reading and all the articles I find seem to say the same thing with none contradicting each other in any key evidence - not even the left wing apologist news sites (linked at the bottom) contradict the key facts relevant to the story.
This will give you some more insight not only into the investigation of the origins of the lab leak theory and funding but also into reparations as well as this pdf discusses lawsuits against China. This is a great 'all in one' piece on the Fauci involvement and the WIV studies.
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Left wing apologists
I think I’m detecting a pattern! You make me really not want to read any links when words like this are sprinkled into the comments. I realize that’s my problem and not yours. Are you talking about the left wing apologists comment?
That's not derogatory. My family knows that I've been critical of Trump for the last 4 years on many things but the topic at hand is solely focused on how news about the virus has been covered up or misused by the Democrats. I have no problem stating that a spade is a spade and I'm happy to discuss anything you want to discuss.
For the record, I consider myself an apologist. It's a term used in many circles. I have a lot of religious debates with people and am considered an apologist myself and I have no problem with the label.
Regardless of the sprinkled commentary (and yes I do get heated and passionate) the articles linked speak for themselves.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 15:34:54 GMT -8
Watch the video.
Infectious Disease Expert Warns ‘Category 5’ COVID-19 Hurricane Is About To Hit
Michael Osterholm says the U.K. variant will take the U.S. to a frightening new level.
Michael Osterholm is great. I quoted him back in March on the CGC chat forum and got ridiculed because it was Joe Rogan that he appeared on and everyone dismissed anything that was on a Joe Rogan podcast.
He was the 1st person to state publicly to my knowledge that covid-19 was likely transmitted through breathing vapor.
Thanks for the share!
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Post by Stu on Feb 1, 2021 15:47:12 GMT -8
I think I’m detecting a pattern! You make me really not want to read any links when words like this are sprinkled into the comments. I realize that’s my problem and not yours. Are you talking about the left wing apologists comment? That's not derogatory. My family knows that I've been critical of Trump for the last 4 years on many things but the topic at hand is solely focused on how news about the virus has been covered up or misused by the Democrats. I have no problem stating that a spade is a spade and I'm happy to discuss anything you want to discuss.
For the record, I consider myself an apologist. It's a term used in many circles. I have a lot of religious debates with people and am considered an apologist myself and I have no problem with the label.
Regardless of the sprinkled commentary (and yes I do get heated and passionate) the articles linked speak for themselves.
Oh cool, you have no problem being considered an apologist. If I call you a Hitler apologist all I have to say is "that's not derogatory" and you'll be cool with that? |
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Post by steveinthecity on Feb 1, 2021 16:10:40 GMT -8
I think I’m detecting a pattern! You make me really not want to read any links when words like this are sprinkled into the comments. I realize that’s my problem and not yours. Are you talking about the left wing apologists comment?
That's not derogatory. My family knows that I've been critical of Trump for the last 4 years on many things but the topic at hand is solely focused on how news about the virus has been covered up or misused by the Democrats. I have no problem stating that a spade is a spade and I'm happy to discuss anything you want to discuss.
For the record, I consider myself an apologist. It's a term used in many circles. I have a lot of religious debates with people and am considered an apologist myself and I have no problem with the label.
Regardless of the sprinkled commentary (and yes I do get heated and passionate) the articles linked speak for themselves.
Yes. Isn’t that the same thing you decry when certain popular media sources do it? Nothing wrong with calling a spade a “spade”, but the naming is only being applied when it suits the narrative your describing. I’m not hearing/reading you apply the same to more conservative leaning media sources. In my estimation, it’s picking sides. ”Heat” and “passion” are well and good, but you can’t claim neutrality when you only show or support one side of the argument.  Take a side, that’s fine, but be open about it. I’d be curious if you have any examples of how Republicans have covered up or misused the virus in any way? If not, that’s ok, but I think if there’s fault to be found, it’s spread around among quite a few persons and groups. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 16:23:47 GMT -8
Are you talking about the left wing apologists comment?
That's not derogatory. My family knows that I've been critical of Trump for the last 4 years on many things but the topic at hand is solely focused on how news about the virus has been covered up or misused by the Democrats. I have no problem stating that a spade is a spade and I'm happy to discuss anything you want to discuss.
For the record, I consider myself an apologist. It's a term used in many circles. I have a lot of religious debates with people and am considered an apologist myself and I have no problem with the label.
Regardless of the sprinkled commentary (and yes I do get heated and passionate) the articles linked speak for themselves.
Yes. Isn’t that the same thing you decry when certain popular media sources do it? Nothing wrong with calling a spade a “spade”, but the naming is only being applied when it suits the narrative your describing. I’m not hearing/reading you apply the same to more conservative leaning media sources. In my estimation, it’s picking sides. ”Heat” and “passion” are well and good, but you can’t claim neutrality when you only show or support one side of the argument. Take a side, that’s fine, but be open about it. I’d be curious if you have any examples of how Republicans have covered up or misused the virus in any way? If not, that’s ok, but I think if there’s fault to be found, it’s spread around among quite a few persons and groups. Well, to be fair you and I haven't interacted much and I'm not sure if you've been reading my posts on the CGC forum over the years but I've had plenty of criticisms of all sides of politics (or as political as I could be on that site).
At the start of the pandemic I was pretty critical of both Trump and my own government and actually, even though I didn't ever choose left or right sides I was probably more left swinging in my ideology than my right.
I think I just happened to drop into a conversation at a time when I think that the left is doing more harm than good (how they politicized the pandemic to oppose Trump with it) and I might look much more biased against Democrats.
As far as the term apologist, I've never had a negative association with that term and in fact, I'll say that you can probably safely call Fox news right wing apologists.
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 16:30:37 GMT -8
I’d be curious if you have any examples of how Republicans have covered up or misused the virus in any way? If not, that’s ok, but I think if there’s fault to be found, it’s spread around among quite a few persons and groups. Well, we know Trump flubbed it for sure (although most world leaders did)
He had military briefings about the pandemic in Wuhan way before the general public knew about it. Military saw reduced traffic in Wuhan and knew something was up even before any announcements were made.
He also tried to downplay it. It's all well known and I was critical of those things last Feb or March. In fact, I actually would argue with my kids that Trump was the problem and they were trying to convince me he wasn't 
Then there is criticism of not getting money to people who needed it. We had it much better in Canada where, good or bad, the Canadian government basically gave out money on what was almost an honor system.
There's lots of criticism to go around for all sides, but it's my personality to get hyper focused on a particular topic once I'm heated on it. And for it the last few months have been very revealing as to how the Democrats turned the tide on the battle of the pandemic after the election.
But if there's anything you want to discuss I'm down.
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Post by Stu on Feb 1, 2021 16:39:50 GMT -8
As far as the term apologist, I've never had a negative association with that term and in fact, I'll say that you can probably safely call Fox news right wing apologists. [/div][/quote] Then you'd better get back to whatever religious freak homeschooling you had because being called an apologist is an insult meant to degrade the person. |
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Post by steveinthecity on Feb 1, 2021 16:52:01 GMT -8
Yes. Isn’t that the same thing you decry when certain popular media sources do it? Nothing wrong with calling a spade a “spade”, but the naming is only being applied when it suits the narrative your describing. I’m not hearing/reading you apply the same to more conservative leaning media sources. In my estimation, it’s picking sides. ”Heat” and “passion” are well and good, but you can’t claim neutrality when you only show or support one side of the argument. Take a side, that’s fine, but be open about it. I’d be curious if you have any examples of how Republicans have covered up or misused the virus in any way? If not, that’s ok, but I think if there’s fault to be found, it’s spread around among quite a few persons and groups. Well, to be fair you and I haven't interacted much and I'm not sure if you've been reading my posts on the CGC forum over the years but I've had plenty of criticisms of all sides of politics (or as political as I could be on that site).
At the start of the pandemic I was pretty critical of both Trump and my own government and actually, even though I didn't ever choose left or right sides I was probably more left swinging in my ideology than my right.
I think I just happened to drop into a conversation at a time when I think that the left is doing more harm than good (how they politicized the pandemic to oppose Trump with it) and I might look much more biased against Democrats.
As far as the term apologist, I've never had a negative association with that term and in fact, I'll say that you can probably safely call Fox news right wing apologists.
I’ve probably been reading your posts since ‘09 or thereabouts. I told you in an earlier post that I enjoyed reading your comments and stories. I referenced the turkey sandwich incident as an example going way back, I think. “Apologist” isn’t necessarily negative, obviously, but can be “weaponized” in the context that it’s used. i don’t know if elections work all that differently in Canada, but in the States of course an opposition party will politicize any popular crisis or problem to gain an advantage at the polls. It seems no one is above that, at least on the National level. The pandemic is of huge interest to people, so of course that card gets played. Hopefully no harm comes to anyone as a result, but it will or won’t, depending on who tells the story.  |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 17:09:32 GMT -8
As far as the term apologist, I've never had a negative association with that term and in fact, I'll say that you can probably safely call Fox news right wing apologists.
I’ve probably been reading your posts since ‘09 or thereabouts. I told you in an earlier post that I enjoyed reading your comments and stories. I referenced the turkey sandwich incident as an example going way back, I think. “Apologist” isn’t necessarily negative, obviously, but can be “weaponized” in the context that it’s used. i don’t know if elections work all that differently in Canada, but in the States of course an opposition party will politicize any popular crisis or problem to gain an advantage at the polls. It seems no one is above that, at least on the National level. The pandemic is of huge interest to people, so of course that card gets played. Hopefully no harm comes to anyone as a result, but it will or won’t, depending on who tells the story. Ah yes, I remember you saying that.
Oh, I'm totally aware of the weaponizing of all information in politics.
OK, I see what you mean. My hard right leaning posts recently along with the term apologist made it look like i was being derogatory.
I didn't mean to weaponize the term 'apologist'. I just meant that pro-left sites themselves don't disagree with the facts I was presenting in regards to Fauci's involvement with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
I initially learned of the term while debating a lot of Christian theology decades ago and I actually always took it as a badge of honor. 
I generally take the 'apologist' role on the CGC forums because I'm often more supportive of controversial opinions than not when playing devil's advocate. 
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Post by parker1865 on Feb 1, 2021 17:18:59 GMT -8
Watch the video.
Infectious Disease Expert Warns ‘Category 5’ COVID-19 Hurricane Is About To Hit
Michael Osterholm says the U.K. variant will take the U.S. to a frightening new level.
Michael Osterholm is great. I quoted him back in March on the CGC chat forum and got ridiculed because it was Joe Rogan that he appeared on and everyone dismissed anything that was on a Joe Rogan podcast.
He was the 1st person to state publicly to my knowledge that covid-19 was likely transmitted through breathing vapor.
Thanks for the share!
it was actually johns hopkins. you may recall that, the next day i posted it on the cv19 thread. lot of pushback, as usual. i used the paint spray dissemination distance in a very light (less than 2mph wind). still got the giggles replies. including from bob. oh well. stripes/colors and all that. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 1, 2021 18:56:41 GMT -8
Michael Osterholm is great. I quoted him back in March on the CGC chat forum and got ridiculed because it was Joe Rogan that he appeared on and everyone dismissed anything that was on a Joe Rogan podcast.
He was the 1st person to state publicly to my knowledge that covid-19 was likely transmitted through breathing vapor.
Thanks for the share!
it was actually johns hopkins. you may recall that, the next day i posted it on the cv19 thread. lot of pushback, as usual. i used the paint spray dissemination distance in a very light (less than 2mph wind). still got the giggles replies. including from bob. oh well. stripes/colors and all that. Yeah, many of the boardies there just can't listen or properly debate anyone that can disagree with them.
I don't remember when you made the JH comment but to my recollection nobody was talking about it being airborne when you and I were talking about it.
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