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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jul 8, 2019 7:56:35 GMT -8
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jul 8, 2019 8:37:36 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2019 8:07:58 GMT -8
We've discussed how, except in special situations, comic book grading companies cannot detect trimming. I've been considering this off and on for the past day... PGX, and to an extent, CBCS, aside, I'd be genuinely interested in understanding why you state this. In card trimming, there are no interior pages with which to compare, which is their downfall. Without the aforementioned "before and after", it's impossible to say "this was cut by the factory" or "this was cut by someone post-production." I agree with you, micro trimming is very difficult to detect...but I don't think it's impossible, unless trimmers are also cutting interior pages with lasers to match the cuts made along the edges...which I imagine is pretty difficult, since the pages don't generally line up with the cover. Silver age books are fairly easy to detect, since the cuts along the edges of the cover aren't going to match those along the edges of the pages. Maybe I'm missing something. By the way...I read that thread...I would not want to be part of the card collecting high end market. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jul 9, 2019 14:44:40 GMT -8
We've discussed how, except in special situations, comic book grading companies cannot detect trimming. I've been considering this off and on for the past day... PGX, and to an extent, CBCS, aside, I'd be genuinely interested in understanding why you state this. In card trimming, there are no interior pages with which to compare, which is their downfall. Without the aforementioned "before and after", it's impossible to say "this was cut by the factory" or "this was cut by someone post-production." I agree with you, micro trimming is very difficult to detect...but I don't think it's impossible, unless trimmers are also cutting interior pages with lasers to match the cuts made along the edges...which I imagine is pretty difficult, since the pages don't generally line up with the cover. Silver age books are fairly easy to detect, since the cuts along the edges of the cover aren't going to match those along the edges of the pages. Maybe I'm missing something. By the way...I read that thread...I would not want to be part of the card collecting high end market. This is a fair question. By, "special situations," I meant a variety of circumstances. For example, just as pressing can be detected if it's done improperly, so can trimming. Comic book grading companies and informed/experienced collectors can easily detect this type of trimming. But an experienced and skilled trimmer can produce a trimmed book which is undetectable by current methods. And this can be done using equipment and consumables that are in the same cost ballpark as a good pressing shop would employ. I say the above because of three things: 1) What the grading companies say about their ability to detect trimming, 2) Historical grading company trimming detection results, 3) Personal experience 1) What the grading companies say about their ability to detect trimming
linklink2) Historical grading company trimming detection resultsThere are an amazing amount of documented examples that show that grading companies cannot detect trimming. Examples usually involve books being submitted several times and getting different results (trimmed, untrimmed). For example: linkJ ourney into Mystery #83, Same book submitted 3 timesFirst Submission - CGC 6.0 Universal Second Submission - CGC 7.0 Restored (Trimmed) Third Submission - CGC 6.0 Universal 3) Personal experienceI'm against trimming, and feel very strongly about it. But I'm also very inquisitive by nature. I also believe that if you are sinking money into a hobby, it's advantageous to find out what the scammers are doing and how they are doing it. If you dig hard enough, and long enough, and talk to the right people, you can find out how successful trimming is done. I'm not being coy, but I'm uncomfortable discussing techniques which might encourage others (that's why I was being vague before). --- Oh, I did want to mention that laser trimming would probably not be used - at least not yet. Current laser cutting technology leaves an edge on paper that is easily identified since the material is being vaporized with intense heat (essentially burned away). There are also issues with surface reflectivity changes and soot removal that might be problematic. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jul 19, 2019 21:49:37 GMT -8
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Post by 50 Fiddy on Jul 20, 2019 20:06:39 GMT -8
Wow. At least the auction house is offering refunds for the doctored books. |
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