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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 31, 2018 10:11:35 GMT -8
I thunk up a new game while I was away.  Not sure if you guys would be interested in playing or not, but I'll put up some details later this afternoon when I'm back at the computer. Later. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 31, 2018 15:28:22 GMT -8
Too much going on with Halloween parties coming up.  I'll pick this up at another time. |
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Post by Stu on Oct 31, 2018 16:30:34 GMT -8
What's PIF?
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Oct 31, 2018 17:27:24 GMT -8
Pay It Forward
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Post by Jeffro on Nov 1, 2018 3:05:07 GMT -8
Can I be the junk donkey?
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Post by Stu on Nov 1, 2018 3:45:19 GMT -8
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2018 6:00:41 GMT -8
Can I be the junk donkey?  |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Nov 1, 2018 8:18:18 GMT -8
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2018 9:20:47 GMT -8
So, a little background first.
Trading Forums
Pros
Avoids all selling fees. The only cost is shipping.
A great way to get rid of a book you no longer want or need in return for some new reading material or a book you want or need for your collection.
Cons
It's almost impossible for two people to match up their wants/needs. This is the reason why mediums of exchange (currency, gold, etc.) were created.
Veterans of this board may remember when we had a Trading Forum here. It had quite a bit of participation, but I don't think a single trade was ever conducted. I eventually removed it.
PIF (Pay It Forward)
Pros
Facilitates active trading very well.
Cons
Susceptible to bad actors taking more than they offer, or using collusion with other bad actors to game the system.
Constant butthurt over value issues.
Easily stalled.
Veterans of this board may remember when I offered an alternative to PIF called the BTA (Brokered Trading Auction) which addressed the negative issues, but was overly complex. I think I wanted 15 participants to start it up, but only ended up with 9 so I removed it.
RAK (Random Acts of Kindness)
Pros
Great way to free up some space and allow others to enjoy a book that you no longer want or need.
Makes you feel awesome.
Cons
Possible shipping cost issues, but easily avoided if specified up front.
Scavenger Hunt
Pros
Really fun game that works well.
Cons
At least one person who wasn't playing found the sheer number of flashing items a bit distracting.
No one really cares about anything but 1st Place, so if a large lead develops it can demotivate other players from participating.
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Post by parker1865 on Nov 1, 2018 10:51:55 GMT -8
What is the game?
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Post by jaeldubyoo on Nov 1, 2018 14:47:27 GMT -8
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2018 20:05:53 GMT -8
So aaaanyway....one more piece of information.
A couple months ago, I found out that there were some new features added to the basic Scavenger Hunt program that looked pretty cool. One new feature allows the difficulty of the game to be changed by altering the frequency of the prizes that pop up (in my game, this was the flashing/moving comic book). I thought this was nice because it would allow me to reduce the frequency such that those who weren't playing the game wouldn't be distracted as much by all those flashing prizes. I also liked the idea of a prize being a rare event, rather than a common one. So I installed the upgraded game on my test forum, gave it a rigorous workout over a long period of time, and it works great - no problems whatsoever.
But we've played this game three times now, and I figured a lot of people might be tired of it, so I started thinking about how it could be made to be more interesting. Others have suggested a game 'buy-in' where everyone puts up a book in order to play, and the winner gets the loot. That would certainly work, but I thought the winner would probably end up with a bunch of books that he/she didn't really need or want. This led me to start thinking about an improved PIF-style format that I could couple with the Scavenger Hunt game.
What I came up with takes the best features of Trading Forums, PIF, RAK, BTA and Scavenger Hunt and attempts to eliminate all the problems. I could be wrong, but I think the people who have participated in Trading Forums and PIF-style trading may really like this game.
Please see the next post for details.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2018 20:23:49 GMT -8
PIF Hunt
1) Players post their offers and RAKs (if any) along with shipping information in an offer thread with a poll.
2) Each offer is evaluated on the merits of market value and market desirability, and is accepted by anonymous poll. Only players active in the round may vote in the poll. Acceptance is greater than or equal to 50%. If not accepted, the player has the option to either modify the offer until it IS accepted, or withdraw from the round. Once all offers are accepted, the offer threads are locked by Administration (me).
3) Scavenger Hunt is played over a 1 week period starting on a Sunday. The 1st Place Winner gets to pick one offer, or pass.
If 1st Place Winner picks an offer:
4) Winner must post an accepted offer for the next round, and is not allowed to participate in that round (This is the PIF part).
5) The offeror must ship the offer to the winner within one week.
6) The offeror gets to play the next round without submitting an offer. (A big, no-risk benefit).
7) Second Place winner gets to pick a RAK (if any) or pass to the Third Place winner. Third Place winner picks a RAK or passes to the Fourth Place winner, etc.
If 1st Place Winner passes:
8) 1st Place Winner gets to play the next round without submitting an offer. (A big benefit of being the 1st Place Winner).
9) Second place winner gets to pick one offer (#4 through #6 applies), or pass to third place winner. If passed, the process repeats until someone picks an offer or everyone passes. Note: #8 only applies to the 1st Place Winner.
10) RAKs (if any) are picked or passed in descending order starting with Second Place winner. A player is not eligible to pick a RAK if they have already chosen an offer.
11) Next round starts. Go to #1.
Other
A round cannot be played with less than 5 players. If a round doesn't generate 5 players, it's up to the remaining players to invite their friends, publicize the game, etc. until the 5 player minimum is met.
RAK (Random Act of Kindness) - a type of offer that doesn't require an offer in return. It's free and does not count as a regular offer. It doesn't require acceptance by anonymous polling.
As usual, I'll recuse myself from the game since I have administrative powers.
Only 'known' members, or vouched members are eligible to play. This means active TCBF members and well-known boardies from other forums. A vouched member is one in which an active TCBF member "vouches for" a new member and agrees to pay their debt if they renege on shipping an offer. A poll may be used to accept/reject new players if necessary.
Any player who reneges on shipping an offer will have their reputation destroyed and will also have their posting privileges removed on TCBF until the debt is paid.
I would encourage you to use the test forum to create your offers so that you can easily copy and paste the information/scans/pics to subsequent offers.
PIFs have a tendency to increase in value over time. Instead of forcing the game to be played in multiple levels with specified ranges ($10-$25, $25-$50, $50-$75, etc.) we'll just let this happen organically and open up a new additional game at a lower suggested price when the players decide it's warranted.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Nov 1, 2018 21:31:45 GMT -8
Although PIF Hunt would work fine with 5 players, it involves the real expense of people shipping comics to each other, so I wouldn't feel comfortable implementing it without at least 10 people expressing a strong interest in participating. At that level I think participation levels would be constant, stable, and probably even growing over time. If you are interested in participating, please let me know in this thread. Thanks. |
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Post by parker1865 on Nov 2, 2018 5:03:38 GMT -8
Now my head hurts. The Math and Rules requires mental acuity beyond my ability. I also hate going to post offices to pick up mail and mail mail. I really wanted to play a non-thinking just have fun game. I would be kicked out of participation and banned after the first Round for not getting anything right.
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