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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 11:24:56 GMT -8
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 11:35:02 GMT -8
Did Mike Royer fix Supe's face?
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 11:41:25 GMT -8
No. In fact, the only time Mike ever changed a Kirby face was Big Barda's. Kirby changed it back, telling him, "Never change the faces again." And he never again did. I think that story is a strong indication that Kirby wasn't always happy with the embellishments made to his art over the years.
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 11:41:54 GMT -8
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 11:44:11 GMT -8
No. In fact, the only time Mike ever changed a Kirby face was Big Barda's. Kirby changed it back, telling him, " Never change the faces again." And he never again did. I think that story is a strong indication that Kirby wasn't always happy with the embellishments made to his art over the years. That's a great story. May I ask how you came to know Mike Royer? |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 12:10:30 GMT -8
No. In fact, the only time Mike ever changed a Kirby face was Big Barda's. Kirby changed it back, telling him, " Never change the faces again." And he never again did. I think that story is a strong indication that Kirby wasn't always happy with the embellishments made to his art over the years. That's a great story. May I ask how you came to know Mike Royer? Some years ago a Guy named Richard Rae commissioned several pinup size Kirby recreations, and then started selling them as Kirby/Royer pieces, suggesting they contained Kirby pencils. That's the reason Mike switched to writing " From Kirby by Royer" on his pinups. Anyway, in an effort to set the record straight and separate himself from the  Rae was doing, he posted on the CGC forum. In his post he mentioned he lived in Medford, Oregon. I had no Idea! I found his modest little website and contacted him with interest in some of his pinups. We met at his home studio and just became friends. He doesn't really talk much about comics so much as his love of pre code Hollywood and Film Noir. |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 12:11:00 GMT -8
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 12:23:12 GMT -8
That's a great story. May I ask how you came to know Mike Royer? Some years ago a Guy named Richard Rae commissioned several pinup size Kirby recreations, and then started selling them as Kirby/Royer pieces, suggesting they contained Kirby pencils. That's the reason Mike switched to writing " From Kirby by Royer" on his pinups. Anyway, in an effort to set the record straight and separate himself from the Rae was doing, he posted on the CGC forum. In his post he mentioned he lived in Medford, Oregon. I had no Idea! I found his modest little website and contacted him with interest in some of his pinups. We met at his home studio and just became friends. He doesn't really talk much about comics so much as his love of pre code Hollywood and Film Noir. That's amazing! What a great way to get to know a comic book artist! |
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 12:28:26 GMT -8
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 12:28:38 GMT -8
{Mikes post}Howdy. Just like to say that I have never passed off the drawings in question as being inked over Jack's actual carbon. I've stated verbally and in writing on the card on each framed piece (when displaying them publicly) that they are RECREATED PENCILS inked by me. Over the years when I've set up at a convention with my Disney art (the art done in the last 7 yrs as a full time free lancer for the Disney stores. I never signed a work for hire contract and the actual drawings were mine) people have often asked why I don't capitalize on my association with Jack for almost a decade. Well, I'm proud of the work I created for over 21 1/2 years as a character artist for Disney, either on staff or as an independent contractor, and frankly, if anyone knew me at cons it was as Jack's letterer and inker, and I was getting a little tired that no one knew what I had done for 21 1/2 years FULL TIME after Jack Kirby. So, at the urging of a couple folks I picked out about 2 dozen or more of Jack's hero pin-ups that he'd done years ago for fans, sized them the way I wanted, traced the pencils (with a little fine tuning) and then inked them. I offered them via email to a couple collectors (who spread the word) @ $250.00 each or $200.00 each if someone wanted 2 or more. I didn't think that was an outrageous price. I signed the pieces Kirby & Royer because they were Jack Kirby drawings that I recreated and it would have been stupid and rather egotistical to just sign them Royer. I only have a few of them left. Everyone that bought from me KNEW that I had recreated Jack's pencils on a light board and then inked them. I never passed them off as anything else. And, let's face it...if Jack's carbon was actually under my inks on those 11X14 pieces of Strathmore, the price would have been one hell of a lot more than what I was asking. Another thing...I tried to ink the pieces as I would have done in the 1970s. It takes a little while to recapture that "mind-set." I priced the pin-ups according to the time invested. Excuse me, but I seem to be suffering from an overactive blather and am rambling, but I don't want to be tared with the same brush that is being wielded upon others. There are fans of Jack Kirby who don't like my inks on him. All well and good. MY favorite Kirby inker is Joe Sinnott. But I would like to take this opportunity to point out that I was the only inker who ever KEPT UP with Jack Kirby. That meant lettering an entire book in less than 2 days and then inking 3 pages a day. Even Colletta and his stable of assistants couldn't do that. Yeah, I would have liked to have had the time to "pretty" up Jack, but I had a wife and 3 little kids to support and those generous folks at DC finally let Jack have his way to let me letter and ink on the West coast, but only for LESS than they were paying Vinnie. At least I have the satisfaction that after he retired and didn't have to worry about "politics" Jack told people that I was his favorite inker. And if I ever really did anything for Jack, it was to prove to DC that he COULD produce complete books away from the "old world" that they believed ended at the Hudson River. DC hoped and expected me to FAIL...but I DIDN'T. Oh well, I've gotten off the topic. Anyone remember what that was? Jeeez, while I'm at it, let me get something else off my chest. The Green Arrow postage stamp. Way back, sometime in the last decade, DC asked me to take a drawing of Jack's (one of his 1950s cowboy characters...Bullseye, or something like that) which had been inked by someone with no empathy for Jack's pencils and turn it into Green Arrow in the style of 1970s Kirby/Royer. I took Jack's composition, redrew the costume completely and tried my best to do Jack's 1970s line and then inked it. It's always pissed me off that whenever the stamp art (which was first done for a trade pb collection) is discussed it's referred to as pencilled by Jack Kirby and inked by Mike Royer. Let me show you the source material and I defy anyone to say I JUST inked it. Okay...as Stan would say:"'Nuff said." I'm outta here. Thanks for the forum. I remain, as always, COMICLY, Mike Royer Medford, Oregon
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Post by Bats on Jan 28, 2017 12:34:03 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing that, Siggy  |
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 18:13:52 GMT -8
Thanks for sharing that, Siggy  Association: Aged Batman (and Superman, I guess)  |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Jan 28, 2017 22:50:11 GMT -8
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Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on Jan 28, 2017 23:26:10 GMT -8
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Post by Bats on Jan 29, 2017 2:11:30 GMT -8
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Rae was doing, he posted on the CGC forum. In his post he mentioned he lived in Medford, Oregon. I had no Idea! I found his modest little website and contacted him with interest in some of his pinups. We met at his home studio and just became friends. He doesn't really talk much about comics so much as his love of pre code Hollywood and Film Noir.
