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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 15, 2023 13:32:42 GMT -8
The people who wrote that narrative lived in a part of the world. To them it was the whole world. Also, translations vary as do interpretations. It COULD have been a localized flood. And the world's topography could have been different then. And there if I'm not mistaken, believe to be a LOT of water INSIDE the earth. Lots of variables. Except the bible says it was the whole world. So the bible is wrong. The bible doesn't say it. The English translation you read states is. But the English is a translation of Hebrew. Was it correctly translated from the Hebrew? That is often MIS translated or can be translated or interpreted more than one way. And that's just ONE of the possible variables. There are man concrete examples where I can show you that Hebrew was badly mistranslated and it changed the meaning of everything. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 15, 2023 13:35:02 GMT -8
Yeah, but that's the Old Testament where Yaweh was vengeful and wraith seeking. JC is talking about the new testament with the false prophet. Well Jesus did some smiting in the marketplace among other things. Hell he even smited a fig tree. And I didnt see where JC said he was only talking about the new testament. I'm pretty sure he rocks with Jesus Christ, if I'm wrong he can correct me. Either way it's meaningless to me. I prefer Norse mythology over Judeo / Christian mythology. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 13:35:23 GMT -8
Except the bible says it was the whole world. So the bible is wrong. The bible doesn't say it. The English translation you read states is. But the English is a translation of Hebrew. Was it correctly translated from the Hebrew? That is often MIS translated or can be translated or interpreted more than one way. And that's just ONE of the possible variables. There are man concrete examples where I can show you that Hebrew was badly mistranslated and it changed the meaning of everything. If the bible says in hebrew the flood only covered part of the earth then its a goofy incomplete document. Um what about everyone else then? |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 13:36:18 GMT -8
Well Jesus did some smiting in the marketplace among other things. Hell he even smited a fig tree. And I didnt see where JC said he was only talking about the new testament. I'm pretty sure he rocks with Jesus Christ, if I'm wrong he can correct me. Either way it's meaningless to me. I prefer Norse mythology over Judeo / Christian mythology. I like Epictetus so Zeus all the way. |
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 15, 2023 13:37:46 GMT -8
I'm pretty sure he rocks with Jesus Christ, if I'm wrong he can correct me. Either way it's meaningless to me. I prefer Norse mythology over Judeo / Christian mythology. I like Epictetus so Zeus all the way. Greek mythology is my 2nd favorite after Norse. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 13:38:45 GMT -8
I like Epictetus so Zeus all the way. Greek mythology is my 2nd favorite after Norse. I strongly recommend the book "a man in full" by tom wolfe. Epictetus city. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 13:39:29 GMT -8
I have several books I read once a year and thats one of them
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Post by jcjames on Mar 15, 2023 13:44:31 GMT -8
Well Jesus did some smiting in the marketplace among other things. Hell he even smited a fig tree. And I didnt see where JC said he was only talking about the new testament. Jesus didn't smite someone in the marketplace. Fake news. He cast out the money changers in his "Father's House", the Temple. Big difference. He did make a whip of cords and drove out the money-changers. Didn't specify whether anyone actually got hit (smote) or not, but didn't say no one was hit either. To anyone who maintains that Jesus is a fairy tale, then I supposed Socrates, Buddha or Julius Caesar are also "fairy tales" - because there's far more historically-credible writings about Jesus by eye-witnesses than there are about any of those folks. I always recommend the book, "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel, and if anyone reads that book and still thinks Jesus never existed or that the resurrection is a fairy-tale, then they're just being willfully ignorant. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 13:47:28 GMT -8
Jesus didn't smite someone in the marketplace. Fake news. He cast out the money changers in his "Father's House", the Temple. Big difference. He did make a whip of cords and drove out the money-changers. Didn't specify whether anyone actually got hit (smote) or not, but didn't say no one was hit either. To anyone who maintains that Jesus is a fairy tale, then I supposed Socrates, Buddha or Julius Caesar are also "fairy tales" - because there's far more historically-credible writings about Jesus by eye-witnesses than there are about any of those folks. I always recommend the book, "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel, and if anyone reads that book and still thinks Jesus never existed or that the resurrection is a fairy-tale, then they're just being willfully ignorant. Well to be fair tho socrates sounds more possible because he didnt have magic powers. |
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Post by parker1865 on Mar 15, 2023 13:49:22 GMT -8
Back to the thread topic: keep your weewee away from my peepee if not invited.
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 15, 2023 14:00:02 GMT -8
He did make a whip of cords and drove out the money-changers. Didn't specify whether anyone actually got hit (smote) or not, but didn't say no one was hit either. To anyone who maintains that Jesus is a fairy tale, then I supposed Socrates, Buddha or Julius Caesar are also "fairy tales" - because there's far more historically-credible writings about Jesus by eye-witnesses than there are about any of those folks. I always recommend the book, "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel, and if anyone reads that book and still thinks Jesus never existed or that the resurrection is a fairy-tale, then they're just being willfully ignorant. Well to be fair tho socrates sounds more possible because he didnt have magic powers. You know how I know man didn't land on the moon? The movie Capricorn One. That makes as much sense as "historically-credible" writing about Jesus. Whatever gets them through the night I guess. |
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Post by jcjames on Mar 15, 2023 14:01:49 GMT -8
He did make a whip of cords and drove out the money-changers. Didn't specify whether anyone actually got hit (smote) or not, but didn't say no one was hit either. To anyone who maintains that Jesus is a fairy tale, then I supposed Socrates, Buddha or Julius Caesar are also "fairy tales" - because there's far more historically-credible writings about Jesus by eye-witnesses than there are about any of those folks. I always recommend the book, "The Case For Christ" by Lee Strobel, and if anyone reads that book and still thinks Jesus never existed or that the resurrection is a fairy-tale, then they're just being willfully ignorant. Well to be fair tho socrates sounds more possible because he didnt have magic powers. I understand that response. The first issue though is the credibility of the written documented evidence including the eye-witness testimony itself. Once one sees that the historical written accounts of Jesus by the witnesses who then wrote (or narrated to disciple-writers) those accounts are indeed actual historical written accounts and not made up centuries later, then one can proceed to the next step. It's pretty well laid out that way in Strobel's book. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 14:03:19 GMT -8
Well to be fair tho socrates sounds more possible because he didnt have magic powers. I understand that response. The first issue though is the credibility of the written documented evidence including the eye-witness testimony itself. Once one sees that the historical written accounts of Jesus by the witnesses who then wrote (or narrated to disciple-writers) those accounts are indeed actual historical written accounts and not made up centuries later, then one can proceed to the next step. It's pretty well laid out that way in Strobel's book. The eye witness accounts were written 300 years later tho. Plato wrote his stuff right away. |
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 14:06:12 GMT -8
I dont think you can call it eye witness accounts if it was written 300 years later by ppl who did not eye witness it.
I know that would never hold up in court.
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 15, 2023 14:10:52 GMT -8
I dont think you can call it eye witness accounts if it was written 300 years later by ppl who did not eye witness it. I know that would never hold up in court. I'll wait for him to mention "faith". My brother turned to Jesus after years of being an alcoholic, he was a "born again", so I heard all this garbage for years. Him turning to christ didn't help him from blowing two marriages and an engagement, stealing money from our mother, or lying about having cancer for sympathy. But man did he believe. |
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