CBCS PSA about CGC?

Yes, you've missed the forest for the trees. The creation of PCS and the history of its creation itself is reason enough to call Borock a scumbag. The secrecy, the NDAs, Borock's name on the incorporation papers, getting the OPG to change its definitions, etc. And that's only part of CGC's premeditated stealth campaign to force the hobby to retroactively accept pressing as no big deal so CGC could create another revenue stream, the CPR/pressing/unrestoration service (PCS then, CCS now). Ironically Matt Nelson was one of the ones in the know back then.
It's funny too, Lou fine posted this on Tuesday:

"Stand alone pressing in and of itself prior to CGC was most certainly not as rampant as it is nowadays since it was considered to be restoration back then. Pressing in those wild wild west days was usually done as the final step in association with other restoration work being done on a book.

Unfortunately for the collecting hobby place (but fortunately for the speculative marketplace ), CCG made a business decision to shift pressing along with a few other former generally acknowledged restorative activities over to the additional revenue generating umbrella of unrestored activities. Nothing really wrong with that, except for the fact that they forgot to proactively mention this critical game changer to the collecting base until they were caught with their pants down around their ankles and had to react after the fact. :facepalm: Definitely left the impression, whether rightly or wrongly, of an uneven playing field where there were a few in the know raking in the money big time while everybody else was left to play on the losing side of the game."

Borock orchestrated all the back room deals and sketchy moves CGC made. Ironically (hypocritically) he reversed himself on some of these decisions when he went to CBCS.... because why? Money. Borock is the greediest hippy I've ever met.

More Lou:


Weren't you around for that wild and raucous, but fun times (well, probably not for the CGC boys ) back around 2005 or thereabouts when the whole pressing fiasco first came to light on these boards here. Let's see, if you joined in October of 2005, you might have just missed all of the fun as there were multiple threads that covered this, with some for well over a hundred pages on this controversy before the Mods were able to "macro trim" :wink: them back.

Definitely a game changer with the big boys at Metro apparently not even aware of this undisclosed practice in the beginning. Even Overstreet had to go back into his Glossary and revise his definition for "restoration" to take into account what CGC had been uncommunicatively doing from the get go. A real eye opener to the collecting base as board members here were finally able to figure out that pressing no longer fell under the long held historical umbrella definition of restoration, but was now being spun by Borock and CGC as something called "maximization of potential". O.o

Even before that controversy died out came the Church copy of Boy Comics #17 a few weeks later. Courtesy of before and after scans provided by board members like Masterchief, Danny boy (i.e. Comic-Keys), Red Hook, etc. we saw how a CGC 4.0 graded book could turn into a CGC 7.5 graded copy and then finally into a CGC 9.0 graded copy, all while residing in an unrestored blue label slab. :whatthe: After several controversial and heated days of angst on the boards here, word or spin finally came back down from the mountaintop that "disassembly and reassembly of a comic book in and of itself does not constitute restoration". O.o O.o

Courtesy of Masterchief and a few others who are probably no longer welcome here, we soon discovered with many more before and after scans of the exact same books that what we were seeing was really nothing more than just the tip of a huge iceberg. Needless to say, the barn doors were opened wide after that with an explosion of pressing ads as everybody was scrambling to squish squash their books into oblivion like there was no tomorrow. :whee:

This whole pressing issue would not have erupted into such a big controversy if CGC had been upfront about the whole thing and proactively informed the collecting base about these significant changes to the definition of restoration before they first opened their doors. Being the smart businessmen they are and with prior experience in other collecting fields, no doubt the owners at CCG knew that the collecting base would never had accepted changes of this magnitude in the first place. The smart play was to quietly and secretly sneak it in through the back door while nobody was looking, get the party going and then turn on the money machine once everybody found out because nobody would want to leave the party after that. hm

That's probably because you're not too bright yourself.



Makes sense you'd feel that way since you're just like him. All you talk about is pressing and flipping and speculating and potential maximization. You probably would've pulled the same shenanigans.