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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 20:31:21 GMT -8
There is political pressure on the FDA, so much so that the deputy Director and Director of Vaccine assessment in the FDA, the top two senior people responsible for approving vaccines who have been there for decades, RESIGNED IN PROTEST due to political pressure on them.
What pressure? To try and address the issue of Co-vid as quickly as possible? That IS pressure. How is that relevant to your cause? Because it looks suspicious to you? That's vague.
If you can't agree that there is controversy within those organizations, we can't move forward until we discuss that because those are the key organizations that are influencing the flow of information and fact checking worldwide.
As the US goes, so goes the world. Most of the rest of the world could give two s about what it is the U.S. wants.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 19:58:53 GMT -8
Also, in regions that Ivermectin has been used worldwide, Covid has not spread to the same degree that it has spread in the civilized world. Nobody is talking about that. Why? India has 4 times the population of the US, much denser population, much worse health care systems, an extremely low vaccination rate (not that vaccines stop the spread of the disease ) and they have a fraction of the infections. Why is that?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 19:49:37 GMT -8
a) It's unproven that it treats co-vid 19 www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809In other words: based on my small amount of research I would NEVER think of using this drug as treatment for co-vid 19 and it is IRRESPONSIBLE for the media personalities who are promoting it to do so. ESPECIALLY from the kooks who are promoting it. There is NOTHING that I have found that would make this a topic that needs discussing further. Why are you still accepting this as some kind of alternative? a) There is suppression of information going on, just like China has been obfuscating the lab leak theory making full conclusions difficult. This is well documented with Ivermectin for those who want to follow the actual information.
There was a massive meta-study that has been talked about extensively that concluded that it was effective and that meta study took a massive hit by the media There was a fraudulent study within the meta study that corrupted it but what the media didn't report was that once you removed that fraudulent study, the meta study still showed a large benefit from Ivermectin.
By who? Everything I've read from the rest of the world says it's NOT sufficient to continue research. (See below) There have been some randomized clinical trials showing benefit as well.
By who? Every one I've read about says NO. (See below)
The largest of the clinical trials is the Oxford PRINCIPLE study, which has been going on since June of 2021 (why the heck someone wouldn't want a trial sooner is beyond me) and has been very strange in the sense that it seems to keep getting delayed. The trail was STOPPED because they said they ran out of Ivermectin in Dec 2021.
That they ran out of Ivermectin is ridiculous because it's readily available from countries like India, who handed Ivermectin out to 100's of millions of people. I can order it right now.The PRINCIPLE trials being delayed caused an outrage among doctors because 1) IVM is readily available and
2) after 6 months, THEY STILL HAVE NOT CONCLUDED THESE TRIALS during a time when an outcome is of grave importance. The vaccine trials were done in 2 months. So how is it that an IVM trial, 6 months in keeps getting stalled???
Finally, like the lab leak, the most telling thing about IVM is the constant delays, obfuscation of information, media twists, media misinformation with a co-ordinated campaign to call it a 'horse drug' and lack of co-operation within the medical community.
Did you know that Merck who owned the patent on Ivermectin and administered it nearly 4 billions times declared the drug as 'unsafe' for treatment on Covid after they got a $361 MIL grant for the US to find a 'cure for Covid'? Like the lab leak, there are FAR too many shady things going on with IVM. Hmmm....
So Merck signs a deal with the US Government to supply its experimental Co-vid 19 treatment in December of 2020 www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-merck-co/merck-signs-356-million-u-s-supply-deal-for-its-experimental-covid-19-treatment-idUSKBN28X1FX The people who claim that Ivermectin cures Co-vid 19 want to know WHY they aren't recommending Ivermectin as a cure. In February 2021, Merck, the developer of the drug, issues a statement saying that there is no good evidence ivermectin is effective against COVID‑19, and that attempting such use may be unsafe. And of course the people who claim that Ivermectin cures Co-vid 19, automatically assume it MUST be foul play at hand.
Even though....
After reviewing the evidence on ivermectin, the European Medicines Agency (EMA) advised against its use for prevention or treatment of COVID‑19 and that "the available data do not support its use for COVID‑19 outside well-designed clinical trials."
www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-advises-against-use-ivermectin-prevention-treatment-covid-19-outside-randomised-clinical-trials
and...
The U.S. National Institutes of Health COVID‑19 Treatment Guidelines state that there is insufficient evidence for ivermectin to allow for a recommendation for or against its use.
www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/
and...
In the United Kingdom, the national COVID‑19 Therapeutics Advisory Panel determined that the evidence base and plausibility of ivermectin as a COVID‑19 treatment were insufficient to pursue further investigations.
www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n747
and quote from it:
Caroline Wood, spokesperson for the UK’s RECOVERY trial, told The BMJ that the UK COVID-19 Therapeutics Advisory Panel—the independent panel of experts that recommends what treatments should be proposed for testing through the various UK platform trials10—were unconvinced of the biological rationale for an antiviral effect. “They felt the evidence of a clinically relevant anti-inflammatory effect was weak and that the current clinical evidence and meta-analyses were not sufficiently robust to recommend ivermectin [for further study].”
Smaller randomised control trials are under way or being registered in several countries. A preprint published on 23 February by researchers in Mexico stated: “In non-critical hospitalized patients with COVID-19 pneumonia, neither ivermectin nor hydroxychloroquine decreases the number of in-hospital days, respiratory deterioration, or deaths.”11 And a small double blind, randomised control trial in Colombia done between July and November 2020 and published in March found that the duration of symptoms was not significantly different compared with the placebo for patients with mild covid-19 symptoms given a five day course of ivermectin at 10 times the recommended dose.
and... for our Spanish speaking readers:
The Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency, Brazilian Society of Infectious Diseases, and Brazilian Thoracic Society issued position statements advising against the use of ivermectin for prevention or treatment of early-stage COVID‑19.
pebmed.com.br/anvisa-se-manifesta-contra-o-uso-da-ivermectina-na-covid-19/
Did THEY all get a deal from the U.S. government too?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 6:51:55 GMT -8
Here it is. Back in the days when people still weren't sure if smoking caused lung disease and cancer... wait, did you know that once there was a SERIOUS debate in American Society on if smoking caused lung disease and cancer? There was! But, how? Doesn't it just make sense? Not when propagandists use what's called 'Inventing Conflicts of Interest'. Here's a taste: "The tobacco industry's program to engineer the science relating to the harms caused by cigarettes marked a watershed in the history of the industry. It moved aggressively into a new domain, the production of scientific knowledge, not for purposes of research and development but, rather, to undo what was now known: that cigarette smoking caused lethal disease. If science had historically been dedicated to the making of new facts, the industry campaign now sought to develop specific strategies to “unmake” a scientific fact."If you are SERIOUS about the TRUTH, as you say, and you're not just trying to push an agenda... this is a very important study for you to read. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3490543/
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 6:43:28 GMT -8
I'm not sure if you actually trust the CDC/FDA/Fauci or you're posting this as an example of gaslighting.
Did you read it? Much of what he says is discredited.
Did you see my post in the Coronavirus thread about how 3 DOD employee whistleblowers (their names have been made public) are ready to testify under oath that the CDC/FDA/Fauci have been misleading the public with vaccine statistics and that the statistics have even been doctored internally within the DOD?
That's some pretty damning stuff.
And NONE of it is being given any screen time on MSM?
Shouldn't that be a headline?
It would be if any of it was true. Odds are its more BS from Senator Johnson who is a master of repeating BS so that people believe it without any proof. That people are repeating it on the Internet, despite not one single source that I have found anywhere to substantiate it is very telling. Maybe they eventually will, but so far I've found nothing.
The idea that you're presenting this as fact - REPEATING his misinformation - and thus far it is only misinformation if a liar like he is presents it without verification - plays right into the hands of propaganda manipulation. You are the TOOL of information manipulators.
You even repeated information FROM his mysterious report that no one else has seen, regarding miscarriages and other boogie man, fear mongering statistics (a blatant tactic of these people) as if it were verified information!!!
Shame on you Roy.
As someone who preaches daily about truth in information, you should know better.
The deeper you go down the rabbit hole, the more it looks like the media is a propaganda arm of the authorities and nothing more. They only show you what they want to show you.
I know you say you're new to all of this... do you know the concept of 'Inventing Conflicts of Interests'? If you're truly doing this because you want the TRUTH and want to understand how it's used against us, BY ALL SIDES, it helps to have an understanding of the weapons used. I'm going to find some information for you on it to read...
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 6:29:38 GMT -8
We know that the nostrils hold the viral load - Fauci has stated it multiple times
The Covid protein is oil based from what I understand, so it makes sense that any solvent that can break down oils will break down the spike protein.
I can't comment in detail on the mouthwash as it's new to me, but if soap kills Covid on contact, and hand sanitizer kills covid on contact then the right mouthwash will likely kill Covid on contact.
I assume it depends on what is in the mouthwash - it would need a solvent that breaks down oil.
From what little I heard, the 'mouthwash' is actually a specific type of spray used as a mist into the nostrils.
So based on what I wrote above, why wouldn't the right mouthwash work?
Really? You really just wrote this? First of all... you're very quick to jump on Fauci or the CDC changing their stance on something, even though they are dealing with a virus that they didn't have all the information on originally, and obviously had to make adjustments as time went on, but then... you so readily accept this pseudo-science... even after it's been proven wrong... or just plain SILLY. I don't know of anyone who uses a mouthwash for their nostrils, but... Salivary glands and the throat are hotspots for virus reproduction. But they are NOT the primary targets for covid infection. So if people are pouring mouthwash in their nose... What is wrong with these people? My god, even Johnson & Johnson, the makers of Listerine, who could've made a FORTUNE just by staying quiet on the matter, issued a statement downplaying its use. You want credibility for your cause... people recommending this doesn't help. It makes them look silly.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 6:12:47 GMT -8
Which point do you want to discuss first?
Ivermectin? One of the safest drugs in the world.
When taken properly, there have been 3.74 BILLION administered doses with only 5800 adverse effects...out of almost 4 BILLION doses.
If someone takes too much aspirin it becomes dangerous. Does that make aspirin dangerous?
If someone takes too much of anything it's not good for ou.
Pick a point and let's stick to it rather than throw everything at the wall and then see what sticks.
a) It's unproven that it treats co-vid 19 b) the drug is primarily created in dosage for animals, and, because of the misinformation out there, people may seek it out in ways that are not through a physician. That dosage is highly concentrated for large animals and could be toxic to humans. c) the research on Ivermectin safeness doesn't take into account its use with other medications. Once again, people are using it in a non-prescribed way, and that could, mixed with other medications cause unsafe or life-threatening conditions. The FDA says no, to its use of it for co-vid 19. And a news source I find much less compromised than american sources said this: www.bbc.com/news/health-58170809In other words: based on my small amount of research I would NEVER think of using this drug as treatment for co-vid 19 and it is IRRESPONSIBLE for the media personalities who are promoting it to do so. ESPECIALLY from the kooks who are promoting it. There is NOTHING that I have found that would make this a topic that needs discussing further. Why are you still accepting this as some kind of alternative?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 25, 2022 15:24:50 GMT -8
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 25, 2022 15:21:03 GMT -8
Which story is it? This one? www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-satirearticle/fact-check-report-on-cdc-whistleblower-saying-vaccines-never-meant-to-stop-covid-from-satirical-website-idUSL1N2TX1GZThat was a BS story... or this: www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/cdc-whistleblower-white-house-demanded-larger-say-in-messaging-coming-out-of-cdc-in-spring-and-summer-2020-98115653939Wait, that shows BS coming from the OTHER direction... is it this one: www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95484Hmm, more unverified misinformation... is it part of this BS info: firstdraftnews.org/articles/biden-conspiracy-theory-vaccine-deaths-vaers/You mean not a single news source is repeating this information from a Senator who is seeking re-election? Isn't he the guy who told us using mouthwash could stop the spread of co-vid? I can't take what Dr. Robert Malone says as factual based upon what I've read about him now... I don't know Roy, I'm not seeing anything factual from anyone you're referencing. You say these doctors are 'highly regarded' and 'experts from around the world', but they're still claiming people should use hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as means to treat co-vid when: piper.filecamp.com/uniq/laAmkZt8NtlqCneA.pdfOne of his experts, Dr. Pierre Kory once once claimed that if people took ivermectin weekly, they wouldn't get sick, and then promptly came down with co-vid. . I don't know, man. The more I look at this stuff, the more I just see a lot of unverified misinformation. You think the NYT prints some BS, just a short look at what some of these guys are saying and then trying to find verifiable PROOF is ridiculous. I can't find any information about these whistleblowers at all other than what this nut job Senator Johnson claims. Are you trying to present this information as fact?
Let's pull back the telescope a little bit.
They told you that masks don't work. Then they told you that masks do work.
No. 'They' never told me that. The President tried to tell me very early on that masks DIDN'T work. 'They', that you refer to said that if YOU wear a mask and the other person wears a mask, your chances of getting infected go down.
They told you that 50% of people had asymptomatic spread. Now nobody is talking about asymptomatic spread because it was never true.
No. They still believe asymptomatic spread is there. Not sure where you get this. Well, I AM sure, but...
They told you that Covid was deadly to children. Swimming pools and the flu are more deadly to children.
Not sure where you get this either. What I heard in general, early on, was that it was older people who were at risk the most and children the least.
They told you the vaccines would stop spread. The vaccines don't stop spread.
They told you that the vaccines would stop infections. The vaccines don't stop infections.
They told you the vaccines would stop hospitalizations. The vaccines don't stop hospitalizations.
They've basically lied about everything.
Once again, my understanding from the beginning of the vaccines, was that it HELPED protect you. It wasn't a be-all, do-all answer to everything. I did not immediately get vaccinated. I got sick. NOW I'm vaccinated, because I need it if I want to travel outside the U.S. But no one ever promised me it was a miracle drug.
Now you're using these exact same people to fact check information. You don't see the problem here? What people? I'm looking for ANYTHING that can verify what Senator Johnson's panel of experts are saying. And what about the lies that THEY'VE told us? On one hand you're blasting the government because the vaccine wasn't 100% fool proof in its destruction of co-vid 19, and then you're siding with a guy who claimed MOUTHWASH would protect us. You don't see the problem there?
MOUTH WASH! THAT is your source of information?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 25, 2022 15:07:39 GMT -8
You've also stated that the 'lab leak theory' is commonly regarded now as fact, when that isn't true at all. It's been blasted all over the media for last few years to where the general public seem to now believe it, but last October the US Intelligence community released their report on it and this is what they found: 'The probe assessed that the Chinese government did not have foreknowledge of the outbreak and that the virus was likely not engineered.' 'No specific origin story was presented' and of the 8 teams put together to do independent research, one (the FBI) leaned towards a lab leak (with moderate confidence), four others (and the National Intelligence Council) leaned towards zoonosis (with low confidence), and three were unable to reach a conclusion.
That's hardly a consensus in favor of it. Quite the opposite. What some senator from Wisconsin thinks, I could care less. I want facts.
You say you're new to all of this. Just remember - those who want to spread propaganda know that all you have to do is repeat a lie over and over and over and over and people will start to believe it, regardless of if it is true.
Are you finding real facts or are you just repeating the lies of others?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 25, 2022 14:57:24 GMT -8
Which story is it? This one? www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-satirearticle/fact-check-report-on-cdc-whistleblower-saying-vaccines-never-meant-to-stop-covid-from-satirical-website-idUSL1N2TX1GZThat was a BS story... or this: www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/cdc-whistleblower-white-house-demanded-larger-say-in-messaging-coming-out-of-cdc-in-spring-and-summer-2020-98115653939Wait, that shows BS coming from the OTHER direction... is it this one: www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/95484Hmm, more unverified misinformation... is it part of this BS info: firstdraftnews.org/articles/biden-conspiracy-theory-vaccine-deaths-vaers/You mean not a single news source is repeating this information from a Senator who is seeking re-election? Isn't he the guy who told us using mouthwash could stop the spread of co-vid? I can't take what Dr. Robert Malone says as factual based upon what I've read about him now... I don't know Roy, I'm not seeing anything factual from anyone you're referencing. You say these doctors are 'highly regarded' and 'experts from around the world', but they're still claiming people should use hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin as means to treat co-vid when: piper.filecamp.com/uniq/laAmkZt8NtlqCneA.pdfOne of his experts, Dr. Pierre Kory once once claimed that if people took ivermectin weekly, they wouldn't get sick, and then promptly came down with co-vid. . I don't know, man. The more I look at this stuff, the more I just see a lot of unverified misinformation. You think the NYT prints some BS, just a short look at what some of these guys are saying and then trying to find verifiable PROOF is ridiculous. I can't find any information about these whistleblowers at all other than what this nut job Senator Johnson claims. Are you trying to present this information as fact?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 25, 2022 10:49:37 GMT -8
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 15, 2022 8:24:01 GMT -8
But it's much mellower than the show that preceded it. Uh, it's 'mellower' because the majority of mainstream media is liberal and they don't have a scapegoat to slaughter.
Just wait until the next Republican president takes office and it will be much less 'mellow'
What is happening right now is far more insidious IMO than having a 'meathead' in office.
A scapegoat to slaughter? Do me a favor and list the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Trump Administration, including the President himself, and the people indicted (and convicted) for crimes under the Obama Administration. Take Politics out of it and just think of them as two separate Presidential terms. It's a LANDSLIDE. He wasn't a scapegoat, his was one of the most corrupt administrations in the history of this country and if anything, the media has DOWNPLAYED it. It's NOT about Republican vs Democrat, it's about CRIMES THAT WERE COMMITTED. It's about FACTS. And let me tell ya... there's a bigger one coming with this Jan 6th hearing... DISPROVE my facts. What has the media protected Joe Biden from? Stories about his son that the Justice Department has already cleared him of? What else? Taking Politics out of it, how about you back up the statements YOU'VE made with actual facts.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 15, 2022 8:05:11 GMT -8
1) I agree, "ALL NEWS has been manipulating information for decades". But how is it you've avoided pointing out Fox's very blatant news fabrications as well? You seem to zero in very specifically on the left, but avoid pointing out the same behavior on the right. It looks suspiciously slanted, Roy... especially in light of the fact that Fox News has been doing it openly, and blatantly for DECADES now. They are the ones who changed the game in the first place. They're the one's who brought us into this world of celebrity and News as predicted by the classic 1976 movie 'Network'. 2) I'm curious as to how you view the Jan 6th protests that you seem to think the NYT is so corrupt about reporting on... The Times has got certain facts about it incorrect. Without question. But Fox News reported that it was a 'false flag operation', and that 'Antifa' may be behind it, it was 'mostly peaceful', it was a 'setup', etc. despite the fact that we NOW know some of the Fox Personalities who said these things were in text contact with White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and FULLY AWARE of what was going on. They have been outright EXPOSED for lying directly to the public about it. OUTRIGHT PROOF that the information was falsely presented. Yet... Roy is nowhere to be found on this angle of the topic. That looks suspiciously slanted Roy... 3) "they were reprimanded by the courts for publishing material they shouldn't have in #3.." Holy . You're defending the rights of a bunch of right-wing kooks? Project Veritas have a LONG and very OPEN history of distorting facts and making up pure to try and smear the left. A CLEARLY political organization for the extreme right wing, that is under FEDERAL INVESTIGATION. How are you being non-political there, Roy? You're not taking the side of Joe Rogan there, who at least TRIES to be impartial and present some opposing viewpoints. You're taking the side of outright propaganda criminals. Outright propaganda criminals of the FAR-RIGHT who have NEVER retracted the lies they've been caught in. 4) Speaking of lies... people like Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones, two of the loudest all stars for the FAR-RIGHT have been taken to court for SLANDER, and in both instances, rather than retract things they said, have used the defense that they're 'entertainers' and people can't be expected to 'literally believe' the words that come out of their mouths. You think that's any LESS of an issue of misinformation than the NYT's getting a fact wrong on a story??? The NYT's has a circulation of 5 million people - just Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson combined reach that many people. If you want to get into slander and defamation lawsuits filed vs the two sides, loudmouths of the right vs loudmouths of the left - it's very TELLING. Just google your favorite or least favorite of the right or the left and look at the results. 5) When it comes to the Hunter Biden stories... you forget how the right created fake information in the first place to try and give some validity to the story. Or are you again only ranting from one side of the debate, despite claiming to be unpolitical? And he was cleared of any wrongdoing by a Republican committee in Congress. Why is it still a story? How a fake persona laid the groundwork for a Hunter Biden conspiracy deluge
Again, how about if you reframe your questions so that they are not 'this vs that' and not divisive as parker already pointed out.
YOU are making this a political discussion.
I don't watch television.
I don't watch the news.
I am not political AT ALL.
The only reason I've followed politics in the past year and the reason I may look like a pro right supporter to people who don't know me, is because THE MAJORITY OF THE MEDIA is liberal and they have been spreading lies during this pandemic that have destroyed society, which is the main reason I have become more active and vocal about how I feel about everything in general.
I did not even realize this pandemic was so politicized until I saw guys like namisgr, tth2, Dowling, paperheart, drbanner and others walk in lockstep with the Biden army.
Like, how shallow can you be?
You simply caught me at a snapshot in time where I have been more active than I have ever been in my entire life and the opposition happens to be liberal and not conservative.
If it was during ether war on Iraq by the two Republican hawks, I'd look like a Liberal supporter to everyone.
Just ask Parker, who dogged me for years about my 'communist' and 'liberal' views on Wal Mart several years ago before the pandemic.
I DON'T CHOOSE POLITICAL SIDES. EVER. I think politics are disgusting, flawed, immature, ridiculous, childish.
I choose the position that I think is right in any given situation and in this pandemic, the left has abused their power far too much, lied about the pandemic measures and destroyed society IMO.
And you answered none of the points.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 14, 2022 8:37:47 GMT -8
For the record, I think Biden and his administration is clueless. I think the Democratic party is clueless. It's all a show. They're . But it's much mellower than the show that preceded it. Oh, and unvaccinated Glenn Beck has Co-Vid again.
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