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Post by Prince Namor on May 26, 2022 5:48:54 GMT -8
The Global Warming thread in the Water Cooler.
Mike started it before anyone knew he was a moderator.
It still stands protected even thought there have been reoccurring political arguments in it for years.
But moderation banned Joe Rogan because some of the idjits lost their minds over it.
It's just another example of blatant bias.
Why do you think that thread has lasted?
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Post by Prince Namor on May 25, 2022 22:36:54 GMT -8
Well... you're not going to change their mind. I started a thread about Tucker Carlson's use of the Replacement Theory throughout his show over the years and it got pulled immediately and I got a 2 day vacation. In theory, there was nothing political about it - he's used the concept of it repeatedly. But people will SEE it as a political thing because he's a mouth piece for the right. No sense in me arguing it. They won't change their mind. The most political thread on the entire forum was started by a moderator and it's still there.
And there's no arguing it isn't political. It absolutely is.
Which one is that?
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Post by Prince Namor on May 25, 2022 14:10:34 GMT -8
I have no idea what's going on in that Moderation Action Thread after my last post there and I don't care.
Well... you're not going to change their mind. I started a thread about Tucker Carlson's use of the Replacement Theory throughout his show over the years and it got pulled immediately and I got a 2 day vacation. In theory, there was nothing political about it - he's used the concept of it repeatedly. But people will SEE it as a political thing because he's a mouth piece for the right. No sense in me arguing it. They won't change their mind.
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Post by Prince Namor on May 25, 2022 10:15:56 GMT -8
Hmmmm
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Post by Prince Namor on Mar 11, 2022 3:35:58 GMT -8
U.S. manga sales more than doubled (in units) in retailers tracked by NPD BookScan in 2021, according to initial topline info from the company. Unit sales of manga in NPD-tracked accounts were 24.4 million units in 2021, up 15 million units from 2020, a growth rate of around 160%. Due to a classification issue involving some titles of My Hero Academia, the actual number of manga units sold was likely larger for both years, which might have affected the growth rate somewhat. Manga’s great year in 2021 is not a surprise; we’ve been seeing the category dominate in our monthly Top 20 Adult Graphic Novels charts, often accounting for most or all of the Top 20 (see, for example, December at "December 2021 NPD BookScan – Top 20 Adult Graphic Novels"). Dec 2021 Top Adult Graphic NovelsWe’ve also been seeing manga appear among the top sellers in comic stores, a rare appearance over the past decade (see, for example, "Top 20 Graphic Novels – December 2021"). LINK: US Manga Sales More Than Doubled in 2021
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Post by Prince Namor on Feb 1, 2022 19:56:38 GMT -8
Man, you are just another dis-ingenuous debater.
Really I'm not. I'm just looking for a basic, simple answer of WHO you think is doing this and WHY they are doing it and WHAT they have to gain from it.
You seem to think I'm against the idea it could happen, or IS happening or happened... I don't have a horse in the race either way, but I AM curious as to WHO you think is doing this and WHY they are doing it and WHAT they have to gain from it.
I don't want to read a 10,000 word thesis that I'm going to have to research your sources for - I already know I don't trust some of your sources - I don't want to put anymore time into it - it doesn't affect my life that much - so I asked for a simple breakdown and for some reason you can't seem to answer it.
I provided the who/what/how/why with a post that took me 2 hours to write - you just keep spinning this into a political direction. This is an APOLITICAL DISCUSSION.
What politics are you imagining now?
The facts are that Daszak took GREAT EFFORTS to deceive the scientific community over a span of 1.5 years, his deception was uncovered, he's been disgraced in the scientific community for NOT acting like a scientist and you can't admit what is black and white in front of any objective person because if you do, it will overturn everything else you seem to be guarding.
And you believe this benefited him... HOW? WHY did he do it?
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Post by Prince Namor on Feb 1, 2022 6:14:46 GMT -8
I'm going to point out one more thing.
You're constantly deflecting. You've used this deflection above 3 or 4 times. I even entertained it and explained to you HOW certain antiseptics CAN work and why they work with oil based proteins.
You just keep returning with the same deflections. Yes Roy. In the same way you've dismissed my thoughts as 'Fauci lied', I dismiss yours as mouthwash cures.
I GET Fauci's situation. Information on covid changed rapidly. The mouthwash cure guy is just full of .
Many of your allies have an underlying agenda. You're not too naive to be unaware of it, yet you don't seem to mind walking hand in hand with them and even making excuses for their stupidity. You want me to take you seriously when you try and justify mouthwash as a cure for covid19. Really?
Time will tell. I'm putting my chips on my bet and I'm certain that history won't be kind to the people on the other side of the table.
Yeah, when the white supremist groups, take out their anger on Asian-Americans (many who aren't even Chinese) because of it, I'll think of how hard many of you fought to stir up the racism in these nut jobs.
I've already been more or less right on everything else I argued with people on. I don't think this will be any different.
We can revisit when things are more clear and the dust settles.
And it obviously doesn't matter how much incorrect, bogus, or manipulative information you reiterate in order to get there does it? For you, like so many others on the Internet today, what YOU WANT is more important than the real truth.
Winning the argument and 'being right' is more important than worrying about little details of who you've sided with and what they're agenda is and what's true.... just so long as you can say 'Aha! See!' Even if it never is proven true or false, it makes your overall goal SEEM more true.
Still waiting on that whistleblower report to become real news.
But it doesn't matter if it becomes news or is even real, see? It's been SAID. It's been put out there. It could be 100% made up - but NOW, someone claiming to be an 'expert' has sent it out over the Internet and had it repeated by Roy and thousands of others and some dumb motherfuckers will think it's TRUE.
Is that the goal Roy? Does the end justify the means?
To get to the truth about anything, you have to be above it. You're right down there in the mud with it.
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Post by Prince Namor on Feb 1, 2022 5:51:19 GMT -8
So there is a MOUNTAIN of evidence - like a freaking MOUNTAIN of NON-POLITCAL evidence (and I didn't even pull out all the stops - there is WAY more where that came from - I just got tired of writing) which is basically a smoking gun with Peter Daszak's finger prints all over it, possibly even making Fauci and Collins look complicit, we had at least one intelligence agency conclude that they believe with 'moderate certainty' it was likely a lab leak, we had the other 4 agencies believe that "zoonotic origin" was of low certainty (again, does that mean they believe with higher certainty that it was a lab leak?) and you want absolute proof to say it might look like a cover up?
Redfield who is a virologist by trade stated it's likely a lab leak, Alina Chan who has been tracking this genetically since day 1 is convinced, Bret Weinstein and many other credible people have ALL gone on record stating that it's MOST LIKELY (like 90% chance) a lab leak from the WIV.
And the most important part is that there is not one shred of credible evidence that it was of zoonotic origin. Not a one.
And you can't even admit that it looks like a cover up.
I had a feeling this was a pointless discussion
It's a pointless discussion because you can't answer the basic guideline of research or Inquiry: Who, what, why and How.
when you started defending Fauci as though he'd never lied even though he's on film as doing so many times.
Well there's plenty of survival goods available on Alex Jones' website for you.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 31, 2022 20:18:41 GMT -8
Lets' start with: WHO is it that you think wants to 'cover it up'? WHY do they want to 'cover it up'? WHAT do they gain from it? None of those matter. Wrong answer.It's all obfuscation of what is germane.
I could say that about some of what YOU have put forth.
This is a conversation between me and you. The facts are laid out clearly and the evidence unequivocal.
Not hardly. People who claim cough syrup cure Co-Vid19 keep muddying the waters.
I've shared this more than once, but this article from Vanity Fair is probably one of the best I've ever read on the topic and it will tie all the above that I wrote together. It even sheds a little light on the questions you just asked.
The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins
And it's conclusion is we still don't know - certainly nothing is 'unequivocal' - and we may never know.
It IS, however a very well done article and lends more credibility to your quest than anything you've put forth so far.
You may want to use it as a guiding light, because some of the other quacks you quote, don't help your cause any.
I'm asking you the same question again, does this look like a cover up to you?
a) Yes
b) No
c) I don't know
A Magician sawing a woman in half LOOKS like someone getting sawed in half - doesn't mean it is.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 31, 2022 7:41:40 GMT -8
Lets' start with:
WHO is it that you think wants to 'cover it up'?
WHY do they want to 'cover it up'?
WHAT do they gain from it?
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 28, 2022 5:13:19 GMT -8
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 28, 2022 5:03:33 GMT -8
@prince Namor
Before I go into answering all of these questions, can I ask you one question?
Do you believe there was an intentional coverup or obfuscation of the investigation into the lab leak theory by Peter Daszak and/or possible parties involved with him?
I'm asking because it's relevant to the entire discussion.
I can only think of 3 possible answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) You don't know
I don't know. We may never know. Did Lee Harvey Oswald act alone? We may never know for sure. People can show me this and show me that, and I can even formulate an opinion on it, but... ultimately correlation does not imply causation.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 21:14:43 GMT -8
C) I am not 'new to information' or debates.
I am new to understanding how divided American politics are. You are now spreading misinformation about me. Quote me directly and stop putting words in my mouth.
You've accused me of saying the lab leak was the factual theory when I only stated it was now the preferred one.
Your exact quote from this thread on Jan 15th, was "..and now is looking to be the prominent theory for the origin of the lab leak theory."
Which is FALSE, by the way. It's BELIEVED by a large amount of people because of all of the misinformation repeated ad naseum, but the vast majority of government organizations who've investigated it say NO.
I replied: "You've also stated that the 'lab leak theory' is commonly regarded now as fact".
You're right. You never said it was FACT. You only alluded to it.
You've stated that IVM was primarily an animal drug which I've proven to be not true.
No. I said: "the drug is primarily created in dosage for animals, and, because of the misinformation out there, people may seek it out in ways that are not through a physician. That dosage is highly concentrated for large animals and could be toxic to humans."
You've accused me with an agenda when I have supported BOTH SIDE OF THE FENCE in this pandemic response
Example?
And you haven't admitted to being wrong once.
I just did.
Finally, you've spread misinformation in your few posts here that I've shown to be false. You need to take it down a level, leave out the politics and stick to the facts. Where did I spread misinformation?
I'm not political. I've NEVER been political. I will never be political.
Just the facts.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 20:44:19 GMT -8
B) Can we stop with the melodrama and politics?
I didn't mention any politics at all. What are you talking about. I called him a Senator. He IS a Senator.
I am reporting something that came out of a panel yesterday.
That panel had a lawyer who is representing 3 military WHISTLE BLOWERS from the DOD (not some insignificant organization) WHO HAVE BEEN NAMED PUBLICLY who are willing to go on record and state under threat of purgery that the officials involved in the pandemic response are doctoring evidence.
That is an EFFING STAGGERING accusation. It's Eric Snowden level e.
That is not 'some mysterious report' and if it becomes discredited then so be it but IT IS WORTH TALKING ABOUT. Where's the Report? It's not 'Eric Snowden level e' until there actually IS a report. So far we've seen NOTHING. Just a lot of TALK.
This is the essence of Propaganda. Big show. But nothing to show.
If they HAD something - they would've SHOWN it.
Instead it's the old trick - I've got something behind this door! It's going to blow the lid off of this! You'll see!
And then we never see it, but it gets everyone riled up.
I'm not riled.
This'll be like all of the other horse e these people come up with.
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Post by Prince Namor on Jan 26, 2022 20:34:58 GMT -8
And really, you're whole thing about Fauci changing his story on masks... do you not understand WHY? Are you being facetious or do you really not understand WHY there was a change in his stance on it?
From CNN:
While Fauci, along with several other US health leaders, initially advised people not to wear masks, Fauci later said that he was concerned that there wouldn’t be enough protective equipment for health care workers. This was also early in the pandemic before public health experts fully knew how contagious the disease was and how it spread.
Fauci explained that at that time, “we were not aware that 40 to 45% of people were asymptomatic, nor were we aware that a substantial proportion of people who get infected get infected from people who are without symptoms. That makes it overwhelmingly important for everyone to wear a mask.”
“So when people say, ‘Well, why did you change your stance? And why are you emphasizing masks so much now when back then you didn't -- and in fact you even said you shouldn't because there was a shortage of masks?’ Well the data now are very, very clear,” he said.
“We need to put that nonsense behind us about ‘well, they keep changing their minds,’ ” Fauci said.
As to Fauci’s other comments, while he occasionally sought to reassure Americans in the very early days of the virus, he consistently advised to follow CDC guidelines and that things could change.
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