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Post by copperagekids on Oct 5, 2018 18:10:20 GMT -8
If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. Newton rings are nothing more than light refraction, they do not effect the grade of a slabbed book. Books that are sent back to CGC to be reholdered for Newton rings are not graded again, unless the case is cracked to the degree that the book could be damaged or removed from the holder. Eithr of those latter 2 possibilities would require regrading as once the structural integrity of CGC's holder is compromised, the grade on the label becomes null and void. They are just reholdered. Just like sending a book back in a CGC holder that has a cosmetic crack in the holder, no difference in reholdering a slab for Newton Rings.
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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Oct 5, 2018 19:27:40 GMT -8
If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. Not sure if you have heard of shaken comic book syndrome.Books can be damaged while in the holder,especially being shipped back and forth.Not sure if the pressure causing these rings would hold them in place better than previous,but I'm pretty sure it could still happen. Edit-I have seen examples of scs in cases not cracked or damaged.I believe Ditch may have pictures or a link?
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Post by Bats on Oct 6, 2018 1:20:21 GMT -8
If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. My understanding is that the comic could be regraded at the point of encapsulation. It would appear (from feedback) that most books remain the same grade if the capsule is undamaged. However, there are stories of books being downgraded for no apparent reason.
Regarding Newton Rings, thinking logically, is it worth the time and effort to reholder when it's just as likely to come back with the same problem?
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Post by Bats on Oct 6, 2018 1:26:19 GMT -8
I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. Not sure if you have heard of shaken comic book syndrome.Books can be damaged while in the holder,especially being shipped back and forth.Not sure if the pressure causing these rings would hold them in place better than previous,but I'm pretty sure it could still happen. Edit-I have seen examples of scs in cases not cracked or damaged.I believe Ditch may have pictures or a link? I was unaware of this at the point I bought a slabbed Batman #300. I'm now scared to even move the box it's in
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Post by Stu on Oct 6, 2018 11:13:46 GMT -8
If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. I'm a little confused, Newton rings don't affect the comic so there would be no replacement of the comic, just the slab case.
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Post by Stu on Oct 6, 2018 11:16:12 GMT -8
Oh look, there was another page to read before responding and a CAK sighting too, wow, my lucky day!
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Post by Stu on Oct 6, 2018 11:23:44 GMT -8
I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. Not sure if you have heard of shaken comic book syndrome.Books can be damaged while in the holder,especially being shipped back and forth.Not sure if the pressure causing these rings would hold them in place better than previous,but I'm pretty sure it could still happen. Edit-I have seen examples of scs in cases not cracked or damaged.I believe Ditch may have pictures or a link? SCS is much better these days and I rarely hear people complain about it. It used to be much worse and all of the examples back then were in a slab that wasn't damaged, that was the point. And when people asked Borock how they were going to fix SCS he said "Don't shake your comics?" Borock has always been a dick.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 6, 2018 14:47:18 GMT -8
Could somebody please clarify 1) if the Grading date is the same date as encapsulation, and 2) is there a way to know if it was a request for a replacement encapsulation because of the appearance? 1) CGC Certification Verification only records the grading date. Encapsulation is the next step in the process, so it may be on the same day or shortly thereafter. Also, when a book is re-encapsulated, the grade date is not changed. This is why you can see books with ancient grading dates sitting in new cases. 2) Re-encapsulation may happen for a variety of reasons: to get the book out of a Creep Engine Case to prevent further damage, a scratched or cracked case, newton rings, unwanted debris inside case (human hair, insects, dirt, etc). CGC does not record the reason for re-encapsulation in their public database.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 6, 2018 14:48:47 GMT -8
Could somebody please clarify 1) if the Grading date is the same date as encapsulation, and 2) is there a way to know if it was a request for a replacement encapsulation because of the appearance? If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? No, the book is not regraded, only re-encapsulated. And as I mentioned, the grade date is not changed after re-encapsulation.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 6, 2018 14:52:31 GMT -8
I hope that a replacement would be at the same grade (or a better grade) if it was because of Newton Rings, or for that matter, for any appearance that is questionable that was not caused by owner. Who knows, these days? That is part of why I was wondering about the grading date and the encapsulation date being the same. Thanks. I'm a little confused, Newton rings don't affect the comic so there would be no replacement of the comic, just the slab case. Correct.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Oct 6, 2018 15:41:48 GMT -8
Not sure if you have heard of shaken comic book syndrome.Books can be damaged while in the holder,especially being shipped back and forth.Not sure if the pressure causing these rings would hold them in place better than previous,but I'm pretty sure it could still happen. Edit-I have seen examples of scs in cases not cracked or damaged.I believe Ditch may have pictures or a link? SCS is much better these days and I rarely hear people complain about it. It used to be much worse and all of the examples back then were in a slab that wasn't damaged, that was the point. And when people asked Borock how they were going to fix SCS he said "Don't shake your comics?" Borock has always been a dick. Well...I have to disagree with you here. Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS) is just as much of a threat to encapsulated books as it always has been. It happens all the time. And why wouldn't it? There have been no design changes that would prevent its occurrence. The Creep Engine Case was designed to address this issue by using a pressurized case to hold the book in place. Unfortunately, this design was so poorly executed that it caused a whole host of other problems such as: the Creep Engine Effect which turned books into accordions, massive newton rings, high-pressure damage to the spine and staples, etc. What has changed is simply that guys like me have gotten tired of trying to alert/inform/educate collectors about its hazards. For a small segment of this hobby, slabbing has become a religion of sorts; and the first casualty of religion is the loss of critical thinking. In short, slabbies dismiss negative reports about their god. Also, in my experience, most slabbies don't have the education or mental acumen necessary to understand basic concepts such as F=ma; so this is also a factor. Want proof? Here's one I ran across just a few hours ago on eBay. They aren't difficult to find. link - eBay item number:332830475870
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Post by Jimmers Nice Guy on Oct 6, 2018 23:27:20 GMT -8
Am I off my rocker thinking that reholdered should be regraded? Crazy idea,huh? And to be clear,I am on the keep your comics free and readable team.
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Post by Bats on Oct 7, 2018 1:08:39 GMT -8
If there is a request for replacement due to the rings,is the comic regraded? No, the book is not regraded, only re-encapsulated. And as I mentioned, the grade date is not changed after re-encapsulation. I seem to recall isolated cases of regrading at reslabbing. Didn't we discuss a regrading following damage due to a creep engine case? Or am I just imagining it?
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Post by Bats on Oct 7, 2018 1:12:48 GMT -8
SCS is much better these days and I rarely hear people complain about it. It used to be much worse and all of the examples back then were in a slab that wasn't damaged, that was the point. And when people asked Borock how they were going to fix SCS he said "Don't shake your comics?" Borock has always been a dick. Well...I have to disagree with you here. Shaken Comic Syndrome (SCS) is just as much of a threat to encapsulated books as it always has been. It happens all the time. And why wouldn't it? There have been no design changes that would prevent its occurrence. The Creep Engine Case was designed to address this issue by using a pressurized case to hold the book in place. Unfortunately, this design was so poorly executed that it caused a whole host of other problems such as: the Creep Engine Effect which turned books into accordions, massive newton rings, high-pressure damage to the spine and staples, etc. What has changed is simply that guys like me have gotten tired of trying to alert/inform/educate collectors about its hazards. For a small segment of this hobby, slabbing has become a religion of sorts; and the first casualty of religion is the loss of critical thinking. In short, slabbies dismiss negative reports about their god. Also, in my experience, most slabbies don't have the education or mental acumen necessary to understand basic concepts such as F=ma; so this is also a factor. Want proof? Here's one I ran across just a few hours ago on eBay. They aren't difficult to find. link - eBay item number:332830475870That's the holder my Batman #300 is in but it has a lot more room in which to move.
I was completely unaware of SCS at the time of purchase.
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Post by Bats on Oct 7, 2018 1:16:56 GMT -8
Am I off my rocker thinking that reholdered should be regraded? Crazy idea,huh? And to be clear,I am on the keep your comics free and readable team. No but... that would make reslabbing less attractive and therefore not good for business. I would hope books are regraded if the slab arrives damaged.
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