CGC Trimming Detection Problems

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CGC Trimming Detection Problems Mar 30, 2014 17:45:06 GMT -8

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Journey into Mystery CGC 6.0 Blue, Came back a 7.0 Purple, resubbed again came back 6.0 Blue

Certification #: 0227546002
Title: Journey Into Mystery
Issue: 83
Issue Date: 8/62
Issue Year: 1962
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 7.0
Pedigree: COVER TRIMMED
Page Quality: OFF-WHITE TO WHITE
Label Text: TOP EDGE OF COVER TRIMMED.
Grade Date: 02/14/2014
Category: Apparent
Art Comments: Stan Lee story
Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko art
Jack Kirby cover
Key Comments: Origin and 1st appearance of Thor
(Doctor Don Blake).

Certification #: 0230667003
Title: Journey Into Mystery
Issue: 83
Issue Date: 8/62
Issue Year: 1962
Publisher: Marvel Comics
Grade: 6.0
Page Quality: OFF-WHITE
Grade Date: 03/27/2014
Category: Universal
Art Comments: Stan Lee story
Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko art
Jack Kirby cover
Key Comments: Origin and 1st appearance of Thor
(Doctor Don Blake).

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CGC Trimming Detection Problems Jun 27, 2018 10:11:51 GMT -8

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ASM 129 goes from Blue 9.0 to Restored 8.5?

madcircle

Hello,

Thank you for reading this, I am new to these boards. Just curious my options when I resubmitted a CGC 9.0 Blue Label ASM 129 to be pressed and graded, and it came back Restored (PLOD) 8.5. Obviously its a worse case scenario in terms of the books value.

Comparing it to other copies I cannot see it (Bottom Cover Trimmed, per label), nor can my LCS Dealer. Also, the 9.0 version had Off-White to White Pages, the 8.5 came back with White Pages. I get that there can be minor inconsistency. I am waiting to hear back from the grader, but a little bummed, and wanted to hear some opinions on what choices I may have.

Thank you,

MAD!

madcircle

Ok, My local Comic shop and I cracked the case. (I'm not sure if CGC offers that service...) The book was meticulously removed as I was right there and impressed with how secure those cases are. We had ZERO mistakes. The book was sent to CCS for pressing. I'm pretty sure I don't have any scans or photos of the book in its 9.0 state, may look into contacting the seller but it was several years ago.

I have a name of someone in CGC that I was told could maybe help me, but not response as of yet.

Not feeling great about this, ut I thank you guys for your opinions and advice.

steveinthecity TCBF Member Joined: October 2016 Posts: 5,120	CGC Trimming Detection Problems Jun 27, 2018 10:23:01 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by steveinthecity on Jun 27, 2018 10:23:01 GMT -8 I wish we could compare 'both' books. The chain of custody is broken when they cracked it out before sending for pressing.
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CGC Trimming Detection Problems Jun 27, 2018 10:59:41 GMT -8 Siggy's Tar Dust® and steveinthecity like this

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Jun 27, 2018 10:23:01 GMT -8 steveinthecity said:

I wish we could compare 'both' books. The chain of custody is broken when they cracked it out before sending for pressing.

Me too...although I do believe him based on his comments and attitude about the matter.

My issue with grading companies and trimming/micro-trimming is that we have seen over and over again for years and years that they cannot reliably and consistently detect this type of restoration. And since the defect can easily shave off 75% of the book's value, it would probably be best for the hobby if the grading companies just admitted they are clueless on this issue and stop pretending they can detect something they cannot.

thornhead Noob Joined: May 2019 Posts: 8	CGC Trimming Detection Problems May 20, 2019 18:57:13 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by thornhead on May 20, 2019 18:57:13 GMT -8 This information has changed my opinion of CGC from bad to worse.

Siggy's Tar Dust® TCBF Member Crack removes Newton Rings. Joined: February 2016 Posts: 8,626	CGC Trimming Detection Problems May 23, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Siggy's Tar Dust® on May 23, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -8 It definitely serves as a reminder that no one is perfect, but I feel better applying that to their grading rather than their resto check.
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CGC Trimming Detection Problems May 23, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8

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May 23, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -8 Siggy's Tar Dust® said:

It definitely serves as a reminder that no one is perfect, but I feel better applying that to their grading rather than their resto check.

Looks like they're bad at both.

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CGC Trimming Detection Problems May 23, 2019 16:39:34 GMT -8

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May 23, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8 thornhead said:

May 23, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -8 Siggy's Tar Dust® said:

It definitely serves as a reminder that no one is perfect, but I feel better applying that to their grading rather than their resto check.

Looks like they're bad at both.

Are you looking for an alternative, or have you already found one?

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CGC Trimming Detection Problems May 24, 2019 3:47:12 GMT -8

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May 23, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8 thornhead said:

May 23, 2019 15:27:19 GMT -8 Siggy's Tar Dust® said:

It definitely serves as a reminder that no one is perfect, but I feel better applying that to their grading rather than their resto check.

Looks like they're bad at both.

Who's better?

thornhead Noob Joined: May 2019 Posts: 8	CGC Trimming Detection Problems Jun 16, 2019 6:38:08 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by thornhead on Jun 16, 2019 6:38:08 GMT -8 May 23, 2019 16:39:34 GMT -8 Siggy's Tar Dust® said: May 23, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8 thornhead said: Looks like they're bad at both. Are you looking for an alternative, or have you already found one? I use my eyes.

thornhead Noob Joined: May 2019 Posts: 8	CGC Trimming Detection Problems Jun 16, 2019 6:38:45 GMT -8 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by thornhead on Jun 16, 2019 6:38:45 GMT -8 May 24, 2019 3:47:12 GMT -8 Stu said: May 23, 2019 15:53:01 GMT -8 thornhead said: Looks like they're bad at both. Who's better? Anyone who can grade.

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