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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Mar 13, 2017 11:31:50 GMT -8
Hi all. I have a beautiful copy of ASM #14 first appearance of Green Goblin. There is no chipping, the gloss is fantastic, and the colors are exceptional. However, it unfortunately has three holes punched on the left side of the book. It was clearly intentional, and my guess is that the previous owner filed it away in a binder for safe keeping, seeing that the rest of the comic is in such good shape. How can a defect like this effect the grade of the book? I'm guessing that if it wasn't for the holes, it would be between and 7.0 and an 8.5 It also has a faint ink stamp on the cover that reads acquired in 1964. Could that mean anything? Thanks, Harrison Hi Harrison, Without and pics or scans, it would be difficult to give you an estimated grade on the book - and that span between 7.0 and 8.5 is very wide. Three hole punched books experience a dramatic drop in grade because the defect affects the entire book (three times over) and usually affects the story. Most of the time these grades fall between 1.0 and 2.0 as Squishee mentioned. There are exceptions if the book would otherwise be a higher grade copy. Here are some CGC examples for you to compare to your book (along with one qualified grade): And I agree with what the others are telling you; ASM 14 is a great book and has high demand, but it also has high supply (especially in low grade). eBay usually has 10-20 copies or more available any day of the week. It's not hard to find or 'rare' in an sense of the word.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 11:41:17 GMT -8
Hi all. I have a beautiful copy of ASM #14 first appearance of Green Goblin. There is no chipping, the gloss is fantastic, and the colors are exceptional. However, it unfortunately has three holes punched on the left side of the book. It was clearly intentional, and my guess is that the previous owner filed it away in a binder for safe keeping, seeing that the rest of the comic is in such good shape. How can a defect like this effect the grade of the book? I'm guessing that if it wasn't for the holes, it would be between and 7.0 and an 8.5 It also has a faint ink stamp on the cover that reads acquired in 1964. Could that mean anything? Thanks, Harrison Hi Harrison, Without and pics or scans, it would be difficult to give you an estimated grade on the book - and that span between 7.0 and 8.5 is very wide. Three hole punched books experience a dramatic drop in grade because the defect affects the entire book (three times over) and usually affects the story. Most of the time these grades fall between 1.0 and 2.0 as Squishee mentioned. There are exceptions if the book would otherwise be a higher grade copy. Here are some CGC examples for you to compare to your book (along with one qualified grade): And I agree with what the others are telling you; ASM 14 is a great book and has high demand, but it also has high supply (especially in low grade). eBay usually has 10-20 copies or more available any day of the week. It's not hard to find or 'rare' in an sense of the word. In case anyone's wondering, the "white" showing behind the holes on those covers is the chamber paper.
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Post by Jeffro on Mar 13, 2017 13:14:53 GMT -8
It has three holes punched through the entire comic. It really doesn't matter how nice it looks otherwise, it's still got three bloody holes punched through the entire comic. That's severe damage.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 13:25:27 GMT -8
But you guys are missing the point, it's the bloody first appearance of Green Goblin! It's so super rare! People should be jizzing themselves to even get a glimpse of being able to own this book.
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Post by harres on Mar 13, 2017 13:37:45 GMT -8
Hi Harrison, Without and pics or scans, it would be difficult to give you an estimated grade on the book - and that span between 7.0 and 8.5 is very wide. Three hole punched books experience a dramatic drop in grade because the defect affects the entire book (three times over) and usually affects the story. Most of the time these grades fall between 1.0 and 2.0 as Squishee mentioned. There are exceptions if the book would otherwise be a higher grade copy. Here are some CGC examples for you to compare to your book (along with one qualified grade): And I agree with what the others are telling you; ASM 14 is a great book and has high demand, but it also has high supply (especially in low grade). eBay usually has 10-20 copies or more available any day of the week. It's not hard to find or 'rare' in an sense of the word. In case anyone's wondering, the "white" showing behind the holes on those covers is the chamber paper. -- Thank you for the examples. It's greatly appreciated. I would say my book looks significantly better than the 2.5 example you gave me. Do you think it could come back as a 4.0?
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 13:40:43 GMT -8
In case anyone's wondering, the "white" showing behind the holes on those covers is the chamber paper. -- Thank you for the examples. It's greatly appreciated. I would say my book looks significantly better than the 2.5 example you gave me. Do you think it could come back as a 4.0? If you are asking a serious opinon on grading, there is no way anyone is going to further this conversation without some sort of scan/pic. You've been given the opinion but aren't accepting it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2017 13:41:59 GMT -8
In case anyone's wondering, the "white" showing behind the holes on those covers is the chamber paper. -- Thank you for the examples. It's greatly appreciated. I would say my book looks significantly better than the 2.5 example you gave me. Do you think it could come back as a 4.0? If the book is otherwise a 7.0 to 8.5, then still no. In fact, it wouldn't matter if the book was otherwise a 10. Still no. If the book was otherwise completely flawless, and would otherwise grade a 9.8...a very, very rare grade for a SA Marvel...then it might get a 3.0. But no, it doesn't get a 4.0 with three holes punched in it.
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Post by harres on Mar 13, 2017 13:59:14 GMT -8
-- Thank you for the examples. It's greatly appreciated. I would say my book looks significantly better than the 2.5 example you gave me. Do you think it could come back as a 4.0? If you are asking a serious opinon on grading, there is no way anyone is going to further this conversation without some sort of scan/pic. You've been given the opinion but aren't accepting it. I do not have a picture of it. I bought it at a Con and brought it to the CBCS booth. I didn't think to take a picture.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 13:59:58 GMT -8
If you are asking a serious opinon on grading, there is no way anyone is going to further this conversation without some sort of scan/pic. You've been given the opinion but aren't accepting it. I do not have a picture of it. I bought it at a Con and brought it to the CBCS booth. I didn't think to take a picture. So you've already submitted it to CBCS?
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Post by harres on Mar 13, 2017 14:03:24 GMT -8
I do not have a picture of it. I bought it at a Con and brought it to the CBCS booth. I didn't think to take a picture. So you've already submitted it to CBCS? Yes, I have. They were offering a discount so it was only $30 with shipping.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 14:03:42 GMT -8
I'm sorry, I'm pretty thick.
I'm guessing you've bought the book, dropped it off at CBCS, have gone on the CBCS forum and asked opinions, then have come here for more opinions?
Or did you submit for onsite grading with CBCS and wanted more opinions?
Are you trying to find out if there is a standard grade drop for three holes punched through a book, so if you buy another one, you can find a benchmark for what grade it will come back as?
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Post by harres on Mar 13, 2017 14:06:29 GMT -8
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"I'm guessing you've bought the book, dropped it off at CBCS, have gone on the CBCS forum and asked opinions, then have come here for more opinions?"
Yes... that's exactly what I did. I do not have a grade from CBCS yet. I am trying to figure out how detrimental the hole punches are.
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 14:07:38 GMT -8
Well you've got your ballpark.
Why did you buy the book?
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Post by harres on Mar 13, 2017 14:12:07 GMT -8
I've been looking for one for a long time for around $300. Online, the only $300 copies are horrible and look like garbage. This copy is exceptional, and since it has the holes, I got it for a price that I liked. Check on eBay... you won't be able to find a reasonable $300 copy.
That's why I bought it. Do you think I made a mistake?
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Post by MetalPSI™ on Mar 13, 2017 14:18:50 GMT -8
I've been looking for one for a long time for around $300. Online, the only $300 copies are horrible and look like garbage. This copy is exceptional, and since it has the holes, I got it for a price that I liked. Check on eBay... you won't be able to find a reasonable $300 copy. That's why I bought it. Do you think I made a mistake? If your intent was to flip the book, totally. If your intent was to flesh out your collection with an affordable copy, then no. I don't understand the reasoning you have for getting it graded if you are putting it into your personal collection though.
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