CGC Versus CBCS Realized Market Prices

There was much more going against that book than a red/verified signature label over a Gold or Universal label, as others have noted above.

Let alone the fact that if you want a Stan Lee signature on the first page, just cough up a $100 and get a Gold CBCS or Gold CGC label on the book.

Lee sigs are common as dirt.If it was a verified Kirby or verified Ditko signature in place of Lee, that is a different animal.


On top of that, I see three big problems for bidders, and ultimately, the seller with the CBCS holder, before even broaching the label color.

The light refraction, along the edges of the slab, certainly would scare away bidders who had bigger bucks.Add in the fact that CBCS slabs are not commonly associated with newton rings, and potential buyers may have flat out not known that the CBCS holder had newton rings.

If anyone is bidding on a high dollar book, and even if they are not smooth enough to realize that the newton rings on the CBCS slab (or a CGC slab) are NOT some form of discoloration....that will kick the hammer price in the nuts, big time.And just FTR, that is likely a large percentage of collectors, especially in this particular scenario.

Actually, any book with newton rings should be reholdered, before put on the market.

The consignor of the CBCS slab should have known better.

Then , you ALSO have white splotches/scratches on the CBCS scan.

I don't see those white marks on the CGC slab.

Then you have the pedigree designation, which is not a common pedigree.The name of the pedigree itself just sounds kind of silly to me....and silliness is not something you want associated with an AF 15.

That is 3 immediate visual drawbacks, without even getting to the point of CBCS and CGC realized prices.

This particular book is by far, not a suitable candidate, to even try to perform a realized price comparison.

Compare a AF 15 CGC Universal 8.5 with no slab defects,  with an AF 15 CBCS Universal 8.5 with no slab defects, if you want to even try to make price comparisons.

To be honest, I do not like these sorts of CBCS vs CGC threads, for a myriad of reasons.

Um. Ok.

In my experience, people playing at that end of the pool are both well-informed about their purchases, and aren't bothered by superficial cosmetic issues. 

They're buying the book, not the label or the case.

Do you know people who buy and sell these kinds of books?

I do. Not well, but I know them. These things that bother people buying $50, $100, $200 books just don't bother experienced, high dollar buyers.



Such as...?

CAK post make head hurt

I don't personally know such buyers, but that does not detract from my points.

WRT, your second question.

I don't like CBCS vs. CGC threads for a slew of reasons.

I support both companies.

I would rather let both companies production, and market reception, speak for thenselves.

Anyone can look up sale on GPA on a CGC slab(s) in a certain grade, than compare the same book/corresponding grade to a CBCS slab (s) to sales data of the book via GoCollect.

Of course it is not that black and white.But start there, and then extrapolate away til your hearts content.

You know all of this is true, Rocky.

Such as...?



No.

Competition benefits the consumer. Even though their forums are run by children with control issues, both companies have still demonstrated a willingness to adjust based on customer feedback. And it's been demonstrated, time and time again, that a good chunk of the customer base either doesn't know what they ought, or believes things that aren't true. Discussing their positives AND negatives is the only way they'll get better.

The first thing the both of them need to do is fire whomever is in control of their respective forums. It isn't possible to express how unprofessionally they are run. It's a DISASTER.



I don't have any idea what you think I know is true, but it would do you well to avoid such statements about what others may, or may not, know.

That said, I do not agree with several of your points, for the reasons stated above.