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Post by jcjames on Mar 15, 2023 21:40:26 GMT -8
Then what is "not God" to you? Maybe not a good way of putting it.... maybe this, what is the "opposite" of God, what is "without" God? I do believe the part in bold. Jesus spoke in parables because we don't the words nor the mind to comprehend it. So you believe God is eternal, but changing? If God can "change" then can God "end"? In an infinite set of possible changes that God can undergo, one of them must then include ending. Nothing is not God there is nothing in the universe that can bar him but I understand your question-the answer is ignorance. Ignorance of God. Talking about God presents some problems-all time is simultaneous for him so in one way you could say he is not changing. And no God cannot end. Thanks. Have a good evening! <yawn... sleepy>
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Post by kav on Mar 15, 2023 21:40:40 GMT -8
Another question-do you think God is made up of anything? I do not. He is pure consciousness, not any kind of 'substance'.
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Post by quantumcomics on Mar 16, 2023 6:20:33 GMT -8
Another question-do you think God is made up of anything? I do not. He is pure consciousness, not any kind of 'substance'. Pure curiosity here. How on the one hand you call the bible basically a work of fiction and not an accurate historical record ( 100% agreed by the way ) but then on the other hand say god exists in all things etc ( don't agree 100% ). I mean, if you're going to believe in one, why is the other such a stretch to buy into? I do find these conversations interesting and I would never infringe on anyone's right to freedom of religion. The ONLY issue I have is when certain people who are believers try to force their beliefs onto others. This country has come a long way and we are a much more diverse nation as far as culture and religion goes.
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Post by kav on Mar 16, 2023 10:11:11 GMT -8
Another question-do you think God is made up of anything? I do not. He is pure consciousness, not any kind of 'substance'. Pure curiosity here. How on the one hand you call the bible basically a work of fiction and not an accurate historical record ( 100% agreed by the way ) but then on the other hand say god exists in all things etc ( don't agree 100% ). I mean, if you're going to believe in one, why is the other such a stretch to buy into? I do find these conversations interesting and I would never infringe on anyone's right to freedom of religion. The ONLY issue I have is when certain people who are believers try to force their beliefs onto others. This country has come a long way and we are a much more diverse nation as far as culture and religion goes. Well there is a God but that does not mean its the christian version of God. You can have one without the other. Any real God is a supreme consciousness and wouldn't get involved in petty things like getting angry at who sleeps with whom. Thats Jerry Springer stuff. God is not Jerry Springer.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 14:42:00 GMT -8
How about this-does God need man? Did he create us to fill some need, or was it just like a hobby? To glorify God and enjoy his love. He created everything as an expression of himself and us to share his love. No, God does not NEED man. kav You're anthropomorphizing God. He lives outsize the emotions, needs, qualities etc of man. Man needs because he's incomplete. God is complete. He is everything. He is everywhere. He needs nothing. What he does, he does for his own purposes and those purposes are always to glorify himself. But also, what he does may seen like suffering for many (or all) of us in the short term but ultimately works to good for all of creation as well. My belief will differ from jcjames because I don't believe in an eternal hell, or an eternal death. I believe that God created everything good, allowed creation to "fall away from him" and he will rescue it all back to himself and once everyone is rescued from their own weaknesses, they will proudly appreciate him for it. I can go into detail on why I believe this if you like but that's the short version recap.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 14:43:49 GMT -8
No, not really. In the Trinity, the Father loves the Son, and the love shared between them is the Holy Spirit. The Trinity of God is like nothing else, and all words and metaphors fall short and fail to capture the depth, uniqueness, completeness and perfection of the Trinity. If God needed, he wouldn't be God. God does desire us to share in his love though. So he made us for a hobby then. Kind of. But no. He made us so that we can experience amazing things. But you can only experience amazing things once you learn to appreciate them. So we go through life to learn lessons and experience contrast. You can't appreciate good until you experience bad first. BTW, this life is just a blip. There's far more to life than just the 80 or so years we spend here. There is where we came from and where we're going.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 14:46:26 GMT -8
He hates what they do. Look at Saul of Tarsus. He was a "serial predator" of early Christians, even participating in their killing. But God "broke" him (blinded him) and used him after his acceptance and conversion on the road to Damascus. Same with Moses (had to be broken from being a prince to living in the wilderness for 40 years before he was ready to accept God). Not everyone is willing to give to God though even after they have reached rock bottom (see Pharoah) because of their own pride. God despises that kind of pride because that leads man to death (since without God, there is no life). God does not hate. The christian god maybe but not the real god. You have to stop looking as God like a man. That's where every religion gets it wrong. Start looking at God like a comic book character. All powerful. He created and planned everything and knows everything that's going to happen before it happens. So if he created and planned it, how can he hate it? He allowed evil to enter to act as a foil. To teach us to appreciate the good. Once the evil has served it's purpose it will be taken away again.
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Post by kav on Mar 16, 2023 14:52:56 GMT -8
God does not hate. The christian god maybe but not the real god. You have to stop looking as God like a man. That's where every religion gets it wrong. Start looking at God like a comic book character. All powerful. He created and planned everything and knows everything that's going to happen before it happens. So if he created and planned it, how can he hate it? He allowed evil to enter to act as a foil. To teach us to appreciate the good. Once the evil has served it's purpose it will be taken away again. I'm not the one seeing God as a man wtf. Thats the Christian God that has tantrums and stuff.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 14:53:55 GMT -8
Another question-do you think God is made up of anything? I do not. He is pure consciousness, not any kind of 'substance'. Pure curiosity here. How on the one hand you call the bible basically a work of fiction and not an accurate historical record ( 100% agreed by the way ) but then on the other hand say god exists in all things etc ( don't agree 100% ). I mean, if you're going to believe in one, why is the other such a stretch to buy into? I do find these conversations interesting and I would never infringe on anyone's right to freedom of religion. The ONLY issue I have is when certain people who are believers try to force their beliefs onto others. This country has come a long way and we are a much more diverse nation as far as culture and religion goes. Different religions are all attempts at trying to explain what we feel, see or have seen but they all vary culturally because we all vary. If you think of "God" as a sphere like the earth, and you have 20 people around the earth floating in space at the top of atmosphere equally dispersed around the world, each person will be looking at the same "God" or earth but some will see things similarly, some will see things very differently and some will see the opposite of what others see...and yet they're all looking at the same thing.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 14:54:55 GMT -8
You have to stop looking as God like a man. That's where every religion gets it wrong. Start looking at God like a comic book character. All powerful. He created and planned everything and knows everything that's going to happen before it happens. So if he created and planned it, how can he hate it? He allowed evil to enter to act as a foil. To teach us to appreciate the good. Once the evil has served it's purpose it will be taken away again. I'm not the one seeing God as a man wtf. Thats the Christian God that has tantrums and stuff. Apologies. I saw later that you and I seem to agree on the nature of God. In the earlier posts I quoted you were asking questions and it sounded like you believe those things.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 15:45:54 GMT -8
Elon Musk drops the perfect Tweet reply to someone's Tweet regarding Transphobia.
You have to go to Twitter to see it.
He nails it.
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Post by kav on Mar 16, 2023 15:53:36 GMT -8
Elon Musk drops the perfect Tweet reply to someone's Tweet regarding Transphobia. You have to go to Twitter to see it. He nails it. So if your kid says they are a person that only eats candy from now on- wut a dumass. Socrates talked about this in Gorgias.
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Post by kav on Mar 16, 2023 17:56:10 GMT -8
I shouldnt be so harsh on christianity. That religion has done incredible good for the world. I know in its essence it must have been from truth because God said "I AM" when asked his name. And that says it all.
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Post by vintagecomics on Mar 16, 2023 18:07:51 GMT -8
I shouldnt be so harsh on christianity. That religion has done incredible good for the world. I know in its essence it must have been from truth because God said "I AM" when asked his name. And that says it all. Now you're getting it. The problem is the institution has been captured. Just like every institution eventually is. When you become a 'believer' you are no longer affiliated with an institution. You're in a relationship with 'God'. I might be labelled 'Christian' because it helps people try to understand what I believe but I'm far from it. I refuse to associate with Christianity even though my beliefs are somewhat similar. I don't want to be boxed into that same box with all the evil in those organizations.
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Post by kav on Mar 20, 2023 10:27:05 GMT -8
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