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Post by Stu on Feb 15, 2021 11:43:42 GMT -8
what's the over/under on 1 year? That actually didn’t turn up for me after checking several sites. Maybe we can work off this to start with.  I noticed there’s no Oprah or Kanye, but Ivanka made the list.  Ted Cruz isn't going to win anything with his fade/mullet hairstyle  |
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Post by jsilverjanet on Feb 15, 2021 14:12:24 GMT -8
what's the over/under on 1 year? That actually didn’t turn up for me after checking several sites. Maybe we can work off this to start with. I noticed there’s no Oprah or Kanye, but Ivanka made the list. forgot about Nikki Haley. She's the front runner I would guess. This is to be president? I would put $100 on the Don - that pays $1500 - then again these are old since Pence is +800 |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 14:22:51 GMT -8
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Post by steveinthecity on Feb 15, 2021 14:26:58 GMT -8
Tucker Carlson?  I guess I haven’t been paying attention. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 14:34:39 GMT -8
Tucker Carlson? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. I guess anything is possible these days. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 14:41:40 GMT -8
Tucker Carlson? I guess I haven’t been paying attention. I guess anything is possible these days. If nobody has been following, Bret Weinstein who runs the Intellectual Dark Web podcast (among other things) is also trying to form a bi-partisan coalition party with one left leaning and one right leaning candidate to unify the country politically. It was called Unity2020 last year and it looked interesting.
They had Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw listed as candidates.
They've suspended the 2020 election attempt but I think there are plans to work towards 2024
Other possible candidates were Jesse Ventura, Andrew Yang, William McRaven and John “Jocko” Willink
Interesting concept. America definitely needs a 3rd party to help diffuse the binary partisan politics.
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Post by Stu on Feb 15, 2021 14:42:45 GMT -8
Tucker Carlson? I guess I haven’t been paying attention.  that's a worse case scenario. I'd rather have Cal elected president. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 14:47:02 GMT -8
I guess anything is possible these days. If nobody has been following, Bret Weinstein who runs the Intellectual Dark Web podcast (among other things) is also trying to form a bi-partisan coalition party with one left leaning and one right leaning candidate to unify the country politically. It was called Unity2020 last year and it looked interesting.
They had Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw listed as candidates. They've suspended the 2020 election attempt but I think there are plans to work towards 2024 Other possible candidates were Jesse Ventura, Andrew Yang, William McRaven and John “Jocko” Willink Interesting concept. America definitely needs a 3rd party to help diffuse the binary partisan politics.
I would love to see a 3rd party, but it's difficult to see it doing anything but splitting one of the two parties, dooming it to failure. Splitting both parties equally enough to pull a majority would be quite the balancing act - not impossible, just difficult. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 14:53:28 GMT -8
If nobody has been following, Bret Weinstein who runs the Intellectual Dark Web podcast (among other things) is also trying to form a bi-partisan coalition party with one left leaning and one right leaning candidate to unify the country politically. It was called Unity2020 last year and it looked interesting.
They had Tulsi Gabbard and Dan Crenshaw listed as candidates. They've suspended the 2020 election attempt but I think there are plans to work towards 2024 Other possible candidates were Jesse Ventura, Andrew Yang, William McRaven and John “Jocko” Willink Interesting concept. America definitely needs a 3rd party to help diffuse the binary partisan politics.
I would love to see a 3rd party, but it's difficult to see it doing anything but splitting one of the two parties, dooming it to failure. Splitting both parties equally enough to pull a majority would be quite the balancing act - not impossible, just difficult. What would really be beneficial was if you could get politicians to run with impeccable credibility records...and I think that is the plan.
Some of the people on that list hold a lot of public respect.
But then the other thing you'd need to manage is media narratives.
I remember talking to Jeff Weaver about Bernie and we were just gobsmacked at how the media was shunning any coverage of Bernie, never giving him a chance to gain public favor. I can see the same happening to anyone who opposes the big corporate interests.
They'd just get ignore and the media would attempt to shut them down just like Bernie was.
The information shell game is real in the media and the sooner people realize it and start to see past it the sooner every society can start recovering from the cancer that social media and media control are pushing for.
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 15:06:29 GMT -8
I would love to see a 3rd party, but it's difficult to see it doing anything but splitting one of the two parties, dooming it to failure. Splitting both parties equally enough to pull a majority would be quite the balancing act - not impossible, just difficult. What would really be beneficial was if you could get politicians to run with impeccable credibility records...and I think that is the plan. Some of the people on that list hold a lot of public respect. But then the other thing you'd need to manage is media narratives.
I remember talking to Jeff Weaver about Bernie and we were just gobsmacked at how the media was shunning any coverage of Bernie, never giving him a chance to gain public favor. I can see the same happening to anyone who opposes the big corporate interests. They'd just get ignore and the media would attempt to shut them down just like Bernie was.
The information shell game is real in the media and the sooner people realize it and start to see past it the sooner every society can start recovering from the cancer that social media and media control are pushing for.
Campaign funding is a big hurdle for third party candidates as well. The established parties have an entrenched advantage. Again...not impossible, but very difficult to overcome. |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 15:07:40 GMT -8
What would really be beneficial was if you could get politicians to run with impeccable credibility records...and I think that is the plan. Some of the people on that list hold a lot of public respect. But then the other thing you'd need to manage is media narratives.
I remember talking to Jeff Weaver about Bernie and we were just gobsmacked at how the media was shunning any coverage of Bernie, never giving him a chance to gain public favor. I can see the same happening to anyone who opposes the big corporate interests. They'd just get ignore and the media would attempt to shut them down just like Bernie was.
The information shell game is real in the media and the sooner people realize it and start to see past it the sooner every society can start recovering from the cancer that social media and media control are pushing for.
Campaign funding is a big hurdle for third party candidates as well. The established parties have an entrenched advantage. Again...not impossible, but very difficult to overcome. Did you ever read about Jesse Ventura's campaign in Minnesota? It's a phenomenal 'David and Goliath' story about how he beat the odds. |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 15:12:02 GMT -8
Campaign funding is a big hurdle for third party candidates as well. The established parties have an entrenched advantage. Again...not impossible, but very difficult to overcome. Did you ever read about Jesse Ventura's campaign in Minnesota? It's a phenomenal 'David and Goliath' story about how he beat the odds. I don't remember. Did he do some sort of 'crowd funding' approach? |
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Post by vintagecomics on Feb 15, 2021 15:22:35 GMT -8
Did you ever read about Jesse Ventura's campaign in Minnesota? It's a phenomenal 'David and Goliath' story about how he beat the odds. I don't remember. Did he do some sort of 'crowd funding' approach? Jesse was elected before 'crowd funding' as we know it today was a thing as it was well before the internet became the machine it is today...but I guess you could call it that.
He pushed back at big money and told them he didn't need their money and he managed to win on a modest campaign budget that was widely funded by many separate donations from the public. It was crowd funding before there was such a thing.
From Wiki:
Ventura first entered politics in 1991 when he was elected mayor of Brooklyn Park, Minnesota, a position he held until 1995. Ventura was the Reform Party candidate in the 1998 Minnesota gubernatorial election, running a low-budget campaign centered on grassroots events and unusual ads that urged citizens not to "vote for politics as usual". In a major upset, Ventura narrowly defeated both the Democratic and Republican nominees. The highest official to ever win an election on a Reform Party ticket, he left the party a year after taking office amid internal fights for control over the party. Since holding public office, Ventura has colloquially called himself a statesman rather than a politician.[6]
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Post by jsilverjanet on Feb 15, 2021 15:27:46 GMT -8
50 to 1, I wonder what the odds will be in 2 years for those 4. If Bernie and Elizabeth Warren couldn't win the Democratic nomination, how in the world can AOC win it. Tucker Carlson, give me a break. Ivanka seems 4 years too early but who knows. 50 to 1 seems like a nice bet to me. I told me friend she could do a pres conference where she winks as she says "I am not my father" and get both sides of the vote |
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Post by Ditch Fahrenheit on Feb 15, 2021 15:46:57 GMT -8
50 to 1, I wonder what the odds will be in 2 years for those 4. If Bernie and Elizabeth Warren couldn't win the Democratic nomination, how in the world can AOC win it. Tucker Carlson, give me a break. Ivanka seems 4 years too early but who knows. 50 to 1 seems like a nice bet to me. I told me friend she could do a pres conference where she winks as she says "I am not my father" and get both sides of the vote I think the whole field could change very quickly...even be unrecognizable. Midterms could shake that list up. And where will Pelosi be in 2024? Her age is a factor. Will she still be fighting with AOC? If Pelosi wasn't in the picture, could AOC rise? And will the average voter still reach for the extremes, or will they have tired of it - looking for more centrist candidates? |
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that's a worse case scenario. I'd rather have Cal elected president.